Re: Re: OT - Question about goats

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Corn, Oats, Barley, sometimes dry, and sometimes with molasses on it.Deb FerrellTo: RawDairy Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:13:14 AMSubject: Re: OT - Question about goats

What is C.O.B.?

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> Actually goats prefer dry weeds and tree leaves and bark..

> Only feed grain on the stand while milking,I give my goats

> C.O.B. I tried a goat ration and two of my does got a rash from

> the pellets in that feed,once I changed to an all natural feed

> the rash cleared up..LJPS

> OT - Question about goats

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FYI, feeds without molasses are healthier. I feed my goats straight grains, just a bit of corn with mostly whole oats and/or barley. DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: Re: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 7:16 AM

Corn, Oats, Barley, sometimes dry, and sometimes with molasses on it.Deb Ferrell

From: labelleacres <labelleacres@ yahoo.com>To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.comSent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:13:14 AMSubject: Re: OT - Question about goats

What is C.O.B.?>> Actually goats prefer dry weeds and tree leaves and bark..> Only feed grain on the stand while milking,I give my goats> C.O.B. I tried a goat ration and two of my does got a rash from> the pellets in that feed,once I changed to an all natural feed> the rash cleared up..LJPS> OT - Question about

goats>

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CORN ,OATS, & BARLEY.

OT - Question about goats>

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Mine are getting dry now,but I buy both and mix them..2 DRY

TO 1 WET..LJPS

OT - Question about goats>

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Not Deb but........

The milking doe could use a bit of grain, but the possibly preg/overweight doe and the dry doe do not need any grain at this point. The buck could use a *little* grain when he goes into rutt, but be sure to feed some alfalfa with it to balance the phosphorous/calcium ratio. Your milking doe could use alfalfa too.

Using whole grains instead of a pre-mixed ration is not rocket science.. Everyone does it differently. Just remember that corn is used in small amounts if at all. Corn is a hot feed and they do not need much of it. I feed straight whole oats and/or barley(50/50 if I can get both) to does who tend to stay in good flesh while milking, does who tend to milk heavier and harder to keep the weight on, get about 1/4 cup of corn mixed with their oat/barley ration for the fat. You can also use Black Oil Sunflower Seeds(BOSS)in small amounts for the fat for a milking doe.

So anyway, my milking does, growing kids and working bucks get either straight whole oats, or mixed barley and oats. Unless they are thin, then I add a bit of corn or BOSS to the mix. And they do not get a lot of grain. Maybe a couple lbs a day for a milking doe, much less for kids and working bucks.

But the backbone of the working goats diet is fresh water, a *good* loose mineral available 24/7, browse and alfalfa. My does also eat *good* grass hay just fine. Spoiled goats are made, not born.

The key to successfully raising healthy goats is common sense and proper minerals! Get a good loose mineral(bluebonnet makes a good one that is available in some areas), and keep it out and fresh 24/7. A goat mineral is probably NOT what you want, since most are not worth the money. Most do not have high enough copper levels and too high salt. Goats need high copper, more like cattle. I feed Right Now Onyx beef cattle mineral to my herd and have for years. They do very well on it.. I won't feed a mineral with less than 2500 ppm of copper.

Keep good mineral out fresh for the goats to eat anytime they feel they need it. Attach the feeder to your barn/shed wall so they cannot stand in it. Most breeders get very creative in how to keep their goats out of the mineral. DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:02 PM

Deb, how do you mix your COB? What ratio, I would love to give my goats the proper nutrients to go along with their browsing. I have one in milk right now, 1 possibly pregnant (but overweight from previous owner, who stated she spoiled her goats) and 1 that I want to breed this fall and a 6 month old buck.I much rather mix my own and know what is in the feed rather than buying pre-packaged bags.Thanks for sharingDeborah>> Corn, Oats, Barley, sometimes dry, and sometimes with molasses on it.> Deb Ferrell

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We had a commercial goat dairy for a while and very carefully did not feed conventional dairy feed!

Goats need more minerals then other livestock. We used free choice kelp, a dairy mineral for cows free choice and had in the feed that we had mixed especially for us dolomite, kelp and a dairy mineral. THe goats did very well. We had less protein and more energy in the goat feed with no corn or soy in the feed. We were trying to stay away from GMO grain. We fed grain to the milkers about 3 lbs per day. THe doe kids got a little grain. TH e bucks in rut need grain also. THey also had free choice very green second cutting brome hay. We found that forage is the MOST important thing with ruminants.

Rhonda Re: OT - Question about goats > To: RawDairy > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:02 PM > > > > > > > Deb, how do you mix your COB? What ratio, I would love to give my > goats the proper nutrients to go along with their browsing. > > I have one in milk right now, 1 possibly pregnant (but overweight > from previous owner, who stated she spoiled her goats) and 1 that > I want to breed this fall and a 6 month old buck. >

> I much rather mix my own and know what is in the feed rather than > buying pre-packaged bags. > > Thanks for sharing > Deborah > > > > > Corn, Oats, Barley, sometimes dry, and sometimes with molasses > on it. > > Deb Ferrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I've raised many, many goats and I always let the dams raise their babies for 12 weeks and have never had a self sucker develop because of it. They grow better on their mothers as well! I will pull the mothers away from the kids overnight and milk in the mornings so I never go without the milk.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times every day and may be four times a day.

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In all the years I've had goats I've never milked more than 2x a day. They do wonderful and produce lots of milk..some 2 gallons a day each!

I have fibromyalgia,so don't have the energy to milk all those

many times a day..I milk once a day..My goats are fine and healthy..I did get a new nubian buck with high production in

his bloodlines..I need a helper,someone that will work milking

goats for trade for goat's milk and cheese..LJPS

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I also totally disagree!!! You need to let their bodies heal and let them regain condition before rebreeding...Doing what you say, Satish, is because you want more quantity than quality!!!

And I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a month after lactation. Goats need time for their bodies to heal and they systems to strengthen before they are pregnant again (just like people and other manals). EVERY book on raising goats and every “good†goat breeder will tell you that.

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Ummm, you are welcome. Don't know about reliable, but it is my experience. DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy goats .

nelson

South Alabama

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Ummm, you are welcome. Don't know about reliable, but it is my experience. DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy goats .

nelson

South Alabama

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I have fibromyalgia,so don't have the energy to milk all those

many times a day..I milk once a day..My goats are fine and healthy..I did get a new nubian buck with high production in

his bloodlines..I need a helper,someone that will work milking

goats for trade for goat's milk and cheese..LJPS

Re: OT - Question about goats

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I have fibromyalgia,so don't have the energy to milk all those

many times a day..I milk once a day..My goats are fine and healthy..I did get a new nubian buck with high production in

his bloodlines..I need a helper,someone that will work milking

goats for trade for goat's milk and cheese..LJPS

Re: OT - Question about goats

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I have fibromyalgia,so don't have the energy to milk all those

many times a day..I milk once a day..My goats are fine and healthy..I did get a new nubian buck with high production in

his bloodlines..I need a helper,someone that will work milking

goats for trade for goat's milk and cheese..LJPS

Re: OT - Question about goats

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Satish,

There are people who raise goats for milk and still can be human

to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not one has ever suckled her

own milk. The kids are healthier and happier and I still get plenty of

milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks of age. And

I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a month after lactation.

Goats need time for their bodies to heal and they systems to strengthen before

they are pregnant again (just like people and other manals). EVERY book

on raising goats and every “good” goat breeder will tell you

that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I can recognize someone that

is more concerned with making a profit than the ethical treatment of their

animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your blood pressure and

eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing from a grocery store

isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code than you should not

eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the thread “HR

2749-can still be defeated…”.

Sheri

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of rishi0005

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi

You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you are

not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to show how

beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks ugly as

long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk what good it

would do.

I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be

done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter

of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no

difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my

owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink

their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and

its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times

every day and may be four times a day.

I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should

have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to

lactate again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their

ability to get pregnant.

you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a

1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn

for your goats.

Satish Bhardwaj

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> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

goats .

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> nelson

> South Alabama

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Satish,

There are people who raise goats for milk and still can be human

to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not one has ever suckled her

own milk. The kids are healthier and happier and I still get plenty of

milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks of age. And

I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a month after lactation.

Goats need time for their bodies to heal and they systems to strengthen before

they are pregnant again (just like people and other manals). EVERY book

on raising goats and every “good” goat breeder will tell you

that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I can recognize someone that

is more concerned with making a profit than the ethical treatment of their

animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your blood pressure and

eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing from a grocery store

isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code than you should not

eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the thread “HR

2749-can still be defeated…”.

Sheri

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of rishi0005

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi

You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you are

not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to show how

beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks ugly as

long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk what good it

would do.

I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be

done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter

of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no

difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my

owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink

their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and

its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times

every day and may be four times a day.

I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should

have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to

lactate again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their

ability to get pregnant.

you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a

1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn

for your goats.

Satish Bhardwaj

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> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

goats .

>

> nelson

> South Alabama

>

[Guest guest]

Satish,

There are people who raise goats for milk and still can be human

to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not one has ever suckled her

own milk. The kids are healthier and happier and I still get plenty of

milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks of age. And

I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a month after lactation.

Goats need time for their bodies to heal and they systems to strengthen before

they are pregnant again (just like people and other manals). EVERY book

on raising goats and every “good” goat breeder will tell you

that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I can recognize someone that

is more concerned with making a profit than the ethical treatment of their

animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your blood pressure and

eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing from a grocery store

isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code than you should not

eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the thread “HR

2749-can still be defeated…”.

Sheri

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of rishi0005

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi

You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you are

not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to show how

beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks ugly as

long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk what good it

would do.

I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be

done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter

of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no

difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my

owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink

their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and

its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times

every day and may be four times a day.

I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should

have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to

lactate again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their

ability to get pregnant.

you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a

1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn

for your goats.

Satish Bhardwaj

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> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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>

>

>

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> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

goats .

>

> nelson

> South Alabama

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I am not sure why you presume to think that we all are wrong in how we raise

our goats unless we follow your ways.

Our goats are not machines and they deserve a small dry period.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

www.chikouskyfarms.com

http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/

All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for

enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke

Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

> goats .

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> nelson

> South Alabama

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I am not sure why you presume to think that we all are wrong in how we raise

our goats unless we follow your ways.

Our goats are not machines and they deserve a small dry period.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

www.chikouskyfarms.com

http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/

All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for

enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke

Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

> goats .

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> nelson

> South Alabama

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I am not sure why you presume to think that we all are wrong in how we raise

our goats unless we follow your ways.

Our goats are not machines and they deserve a small dry period.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

www.chikouskyfarms.com

http://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/

All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for

enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke

Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

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> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy

> goats .

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> nelson

> South Alabama

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Amen! That goes for pigs, chickens, cows, sheep, turkeys, etc..... Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: " Debbie Chikousky" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >Subject: Re: Re: OT - Question about goats I am not sure why you presume to think that we all are wrong in how we raise our goats unless we follow your ways. Our goats are not machines and they deserve a small dry period. Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada www.chikouskyfarms.comhttp://blog.choosyhomeschooler.com/ All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing. " -Edmund Burke Re: OT - Question about goats > To: RawDairy > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM > > > > > > > > Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy > goats . > > nelson > South Alabama > ------------------------------------ PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Archive search: http://onibasu.com

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LOL!! Interesting opinions you have. Especially about my management and my herd, which you know nothing about. Not to be arguementative, but:

Goats do NOT need to be milked more than twice a day, though they can be if you so desire and have all that extra time on your hands. The milk production will go up some, but on average, not enough to justify the extra time involved. Goats can even be milked once a day when production is minimal and it will not hurt them. Milk left in the udder does NOT rot. Milk left in the udder will cause the animal to drop milk production though.

A healthy goat is a beautiful goat. If I was "in it to show how beautiful my goats are", I would be showing(which I do not) and I would have much more beautiful goats. What I have are serviceable, working goats who just happen to be beautiful because they are healthy. My girls give me kids, milk and meat every year for as long as I need it.. The kids I do not keep make extra income(does) or meat(bucks). If a goat cannot kid out with ease(twins, triplets or quads)every year, she is butchered to make room for a more productive goat. Do I love my goats? Yes. Do I make them work for their keep? Yes..

It is natural for kids to suck their mothers. I do pull all doe kids at birth and raise by the bucket, but that is personal choice. All meat bucklings are dam-raised. That is personal choice and niether way is wrong or right for the goat. Kids who suck their mother are no more likely to suck their own teats than are bottle-raised kids. Kids suck on everything, bottle raised or not.

Milk goats are normally given two months of dry time before kidding. They kid in the winter/spring, bred back in the fall while still milking and are milked up until two months from kidding again. Goats not bred back a month after kidding do NOT lose their ability to conceive.

I have had goats(milk and meat) for over ten years now. I usually keep about 30-50 breeding does. At one time I was up to 150 goats on the farm and was commercial milking. Now, am back down to about 50 head total. Which, along with managing and milking my familys dairy cow herd, keeps me more than just busy. I have no desire to *ever* have 1000 head of goats, but I do already have a freestall barn.

My goal and desire is to have a small herd of healthy goats that produce all I need. I have that.

Thanks for your advice.

DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:11 PM

Hi You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you are not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to show how beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks ugly as long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk what good it would do.I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and its owners think they have a special cow. They

show her every where.I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times every day and may be four times a day.I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to lactate again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their ability to get pregnant. you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a 1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn for your goats.Satish Bhardwaj > > > From: <woodside101@ ...>> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats> To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM> > > > > > > > Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy goats .> >

nelson> South Alabama>

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Sheri, please go back and read the posts again. That post was directed AT me, not BY me. I agree with you. DixonOzark JewelsDairy and Meat GoatsBoers, Nubians and Lamanchashttp://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeseswww.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Question about goatsTo: RawDairy Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:10 PM

Satish,

There are people who raise goats for milk and still can be human to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not one has ever suckled her own milk. The kids are healthier and happier and I still get plenty of milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks of age. And I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a month after lactation. Goats need time for their bodies to heal and they systems to strengthen before they are pregnant again (just like people and other manals). EVERY book on raising goats and every “good†goat breeder will tell you that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I can recognize someone that is more concerned with making a profit than the ethical treatment of their animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your blood pressure and eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing from a grocery store isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code than you should not eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the thread “HR 2749-can still be defeated…â€.

Sheri

From: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:RawDairy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of rishi0005Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PMTo: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.comSubject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you are not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to show how beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks ugly as long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk what good it would do.I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is my owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats and its owners think they have a special cow. They

show her every where.I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times every day and may be four times a day.I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to lactate again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their ability to get pregnant. you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a 1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn for your goats.Satish Bhardwaj > > > From: <woodside101@ ...>> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats> To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM> > > > > > > > Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding dairy goats .> >

nelson> South Alabama>

[Guest guest]

Oh I know.  I was telling you that Dam Raising kids is a good

thing and I was disagreeing with Satish (who sounds like a total nut job).

Sorry if that came across wrong.  I was addressing you with that

statement to tell you what I do, just as I was addressing Satish to tell him

that he is inhumane.

Please reread my statement. 

Sheri

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of

Dixon

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:06 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Question about goats

Sheri, please go back and read the posts again. That

post was directed AT me, not BY me. I agree with you.

Dixon

Ozark Jewels

Dairy and Meat Goats

Boers, Nubians and Lamanchas

http://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/

Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeses

www.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Question about goats

To: RawDairy

Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:10 PM

Satish,

There are people who raise goats for

milk and still can be human to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not

one has ever suckled her own milk. The kids are healthier and happier

and I still get plenty of milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks

of age. And I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a

month after lactation. Goats need time for their bodies to heal and

they systems to strengthen before they are pregnant again (just like people

and other manals). EVERY book on raising goats and every “good†goat

breeder will tell you that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I

can recognize someone that is more concerned with making a profit than the

ethical treatment of their animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your

blood pressure and eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing

from a grocery store isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code

than you should not eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the

thread “HR 2749-can still be defeated…â€.

Sheri

From:

RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:RawDairy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

rishi0005

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PM

To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi

You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you

are not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to

show how beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks

ugly as long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk

what good it would do.

I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be

done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter

of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no

difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is

my owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink

their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats

and its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times

every day and may be four times a day.

I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should

have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to lactate

again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their ability to

get pregnant.

you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a

1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn

for your goats.

Satish Bhardwaj

>

>

> From: <woodside101@ ...>

> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding

dairy goats .

>

> nelson

> South Alabama

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I know.  I was telling you that Dam Raising kids is a good

thing and I was disagreeing with Satish (who sounds like a total nut job).

Sorry if that came across wrong.  I was addressing you with that

statement to tell you what I do, just as I was addressing Satish to tell him

that he is inhumane.

Please reread my statement. 

Sheri

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of

Dixon

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:06 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Question about goats

Sheri, please go back and read the posts again. That

post was directed AT me, not BY me. I agree with you.

Dixon

Ozark Jewels

Dairy and Meat Goats

Boers, Nubians and Lamanchas

http://www.freewebs.com/ozarkjewels/

Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeses

www.morninglanddairy.com

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Question about goats

To: RawDairy

Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:10 PM

Satish,

There are people who raise goats for

milk and still can be human to the animals.

,

I have dam raised my goat kids and not

one has ever suckled her own milk. The kids are healthier and happier

and I still get plenty of milk after the kids are weaned between 8 – 12 weeks

of age. And I totally disagree that goats should be rebred a

month after lactation. Goats need time for their bodies to heal and

they systems to strengthen before they are pregnant again (just like people

and other manals). EVERY book on raising goats and every “good†goat

breeder will tell you that.

I do not claim to be an expert but I

can recognize someone that is more concerned with making a profit than the

ethical treatment of their animals.

And Satish, if you want to lower your

blood pressure and eliminate salt from your diet than you should eat nothing

from a grocery store isle. If it comes in a box or has a UPC code

than you should not eat it – this comment is in regard to your post on the

thread “HR 2749-can still be defeated…â€.

Sheri

From:

RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:RawDairy@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

rishi0005

Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:11 PM

To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

Hi

You seem to be very proud of your brands of goats. It seems to me that you

are not into goat business to make money from your goat. You are in it to

show how beautiful your goats are. As I see it I do not care if a goat looks

ugly as long as it produces milk. After all if it were not to produce milk

what good it would do.

I see people letting the goat kids suck their mother's milk. It should not be

done. The kids should be weaned right at birth and fed by bottle. As a matter

of fact they can be taught to drink through the bucket.

Whether you let the kids suckle their mother's teats it would make no

difference to the goat. It would give you no certificate saying how good is

my owner. She lets my kid suckle my teats.

The kids who grrow up suckle the teats of their mother may grow up to drink

their own milk. There is a video of a cow on tV that suckles her own teats

and its owners think they have a special cow. They show her every where.

I've stated elsewhere that the goats should be milked at least three times

every day and may be four times a day.

I've read members say my goat is dry now. How did the goat get dry? It should

have been bred about a month after it lactated so that it would be ready to lactate

again. The goats that are not bred in this fashion may loose their ability to

get pregnant.

you can become a very big goat farmer who may develop your farm into a

1000 goat farm if you follow my directions. You'd then need a freestall barn

for your goats.

Satish Bhardwaj

>

>

> From: <woodside101@ ...>

> Subject: Re: OT - Question about goats

> To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com

> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:25 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank You Dixon for your ever reliable insight on feeding

dairy goats .

>

> nelson

> South Alabama

>