Re: Kombucha and Kefir instead of Kombucha vs Kefir

[Guest guest]

Amen, Bev. Amen! I so appreciate your thinking.

Joyce

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>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> more inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Bev,  you are right! It is not a " vs " but several " and " Kombucha and Water

kefir and Milk Kefir and Yogurt and Kimchi and Sauerkrut and Piima and ...

Science also point toward diversification of the probiotics one takes. The

micro-organism in Kombucha and Kefir are very different .. Moreover the

chemistry of Kombucha and Kefir are different. Kombucha seems to have a lot of

beneficial acids and kefir not as much but Kefir seems to have much more

micro-organisms than Kombucha .. The best is to take them both if one can ..

More ways to keep yourself out of dysbiosis (imbalance of the intestinal flora)

which leads to all kind of disease ...

The more of those fermented-probiotics rich foods, one ingests the better one's

health becomes .. ..

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>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> more inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

> 

>

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[Guest guest]

If Yahoo had a " Like " button, I'd be clicking it! Right on, Bev...

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

[Guest guest]

If Yahoo had a " Like " button, I'd be clicking it! Right on, Bev...

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

[Guest guest]

If Yahoo had a " Like " button, I'd be clicking it! Right on, Bev...

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

[Guest guest]

i make both, love them both and consider them to be like my kids, very

different but each of them glorious individuals

gail

> **

>

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> more inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i make both, love them both and consider them to be like my kids, very

different but each of them glorious individuals

gail

> **

>

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> more inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I used the word 'vs' because I was looking for a comparative list of the

benefits of one verses the other. It is a perfectly acceptable English word and

doesn't mean I don't accept either one. In fact, my kefir grains will be here

any day. I was trying to decide if I wanted to add kefir or not, so it wasn't an

'and' issue at the time. Thanks for making me feel so unwelcome. Guess this

group has changed since I use to be active here.

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I used the word 'vs' because I was looking for a comparative list of the

benefits of one verses the other. It is a perfectly acceptable English word and

doesn't mean I don't accept either one. In fact, my kefir grains will be here

any day. I was trying to decide if I wanted to add kefir or not, so it wasn't an

'and' issue at the time. Thanks for making me feel so unwelcome. Guess this

group has changed since I use to be active here.

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I used the word 'vs' because I was looking for a comparative list of the

benefits of one verses the other. It is a perfectly acceptable English word and

doesn't mean I don't accept either one. In fact, my kefir grains will be here

any day. I was trying to decide if I wanted to add kefir or not, so it wasn't an

'and' issue at the time. Thanks for making me feel so unwelcome. Guess this

group has changed since I use to be active here.

>

> Hi EveryOne,

>

> Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend to

divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of the human

mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and learn to think

that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

>

> A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be more

inclusive in our thinking.

>

> Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gail! I'm looking forward to getting my water kefir grains in the next

few days

>

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> >

> >

> > Hi EveryOne,

> >

> > Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> > to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> > the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> > learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

> >

> > A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> > more inclusive in our thinking.

> >

> > Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

> >

> > Peace, Love and Harmony,

> > Bev

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gail! I'm looking forward to getting my water kefir grains in the next

few days

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi EveryOne,

> >

> > Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> > to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> > the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> > learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

> >

> > A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> > more inclusive in our thinking.

> >

> > Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

> >

> > Peace, Love and Harmony,

> > Bev

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gail! I'm looking forward to getting my water kefir grains in the next

few days

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi EveryOne,

> >

> > Noticed the subject Kombucha vs Kefir and it reminds me of the way we tend

> > to divide things up and oppose one while accepting the other. Tendency of

> > the human mind I guess but why not use the word " and " instead of " vs " and

> > learn to think that way too. All diversity conceals an inherent unity.

> >

> > A lot of the problems in this world would be resolved if we learn to be

> > more inclusive in our thinking.

> >

> > Kombucha and Kefir both make a wonderful addition to anyone's life!

> >

> > Peace, Love and Harmony,

> > Bev

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Joyce. However, if people had bothered to READ my post, rather than

attack the subject line, they would have seen that I clearly stated: " should I

just stick to my K-tea and not worry about kefir? ... I will NEVER switch. Just

wondering if supplementing with kefir will give added benefits. "

>

> Please know that we are eager to learn and to help as much as possible. I

> don't think anyone meant to be rude to you; I think there your wording was

> misread as someone asking if it need be one or the other and if so, which

> one. I really don't believe anyone meant to offend you in any way, and I am

> sure that they are glad to hear that you were just trying to decide whether

> you wanted to make both and wanted to know what is actually in each of these

> wonderful beverages. Sometimes English can be confusing. I have always felt

> that kefir and kombucha compliment each other because each has some benefits

> that the other does not have.

>

> I hope this information is what you were looking for:

>

> KOMBUCHA

>

> The Happy Herbalist lists the following can be in Kombucha, but not all of

> them are in all kombucha, if that makes sense.

>

> Bacterium gluconicum

> Bacterium xylinum

> Acetobacter xylinum

> Acetobacter xylinoides

> Acetobacter Ketogenum

> Saccharomycodes ludwigii

> Saccharomycodes apiculatus

> Schizosaccharomyces pombe

> Zygosaccharomyes

> Saccharomyces cerevisiae

> Acetic acid

> Acetoacetic acid

> Benzoic acid

> propenyl ester

> Benzonitrile

> Butanoic acid

> Caffeine

> Citric acid

> Cyanocobalamin

> Decanoic acid

> Ethyl Acetate

> Fructose

> d-Gluconic acid

> Glucose

> Hexanoic acid

> Itaconic acid

> 2-Keto-gluconic acid

> 5-Keto-gluconic acid

> 2-Keto-3-deoxy-gluconic Lactic acid

> Niacinamide

> Nicotinic acid

> Pantothenic acid

> Phenethyl Alcohol

> Phenol, 4-ethyl

> 6-Phospho gluconate

> Propionic acid

> Octanoic acid

> Oxalic acid

> Riboflavin

> d-Saccharic acid

> (Glucaric acid)

> Succinic acid

> Thiamin

> plus 40 other acid esters in trace amounts

>

>

>

> KEFIR

>

> Here is a list of bacterias/yeasts found in Kefir. I have used the list

> from Doms website.

>

> LACTOBACILLUS

> L. casei � Homo-fermentative [responsible for 90% of lactate synthesis]

> L. paracasei � Homo-fermentative

> L. acidophilis � Homo-fermentative

> L. hilgardi -Hetero-fermentative [responsible for 50% of lactate synthesis]

> L. delbruechkii subsp. bulgaricus � Homo-fermentative

> L. kefiranofaciens � Produce Kefiran, internaly within the matrix

> L. kefyri � Synthesizes kefiran superficially [possibly controlls

> microflora]

> L. desidiosus � Heterofermentative [ferments L-arabinose and gluconate]

> L. brevis [synthesizes polysaccharide]

> L. cellobiosus

> L. casei subsp. rhamnosus

> L. casei subsp. alactosus

> L. helveticus subsp. lactis

> L. delbruekii subsp. lactis

> L. lactis

> L. fructivorans

> L. parakefir

> L. paracasei subsp. paracasei

> L. plantarum

>

> LACTOCOCCUS

> Lc. lactis subsp. lactis [primarilly utilize lactose]

> Lc. lactis subsp. biacetylactis

> Lc. lactis subsp. creomoris

>

> LEUCONOSTOC

> Leuc. citrovorum

> Leuc. cremoris

> Leuc. mesenteroides subsp. mesenteroides

> Leuc. mesenteroides subsp. dextrancicum

> Leuc. mesenteroides subsp cremoris

> Leuc. lactis

>

> STREPTOCOCCUS

> Strep. salivarius subsp. thermophilus [primarilly utilize lactose]

> Strep. lactis

> Strep. lactis subsp. diacetylactis [synthesizes diacetyl]

>

> ACETOBACTER

> Acetobacter aceti [synthesize acetic acid from ethonol in the pressence of

> oxygen]

> Acetobacter racens

>

> YEASTS

>

> KLUYVEROMYCES

> Kluyv. lactis

> Kluyv. marxianus subsp. marxianus

> Kluyv. bulgaricus

> Kluyv. fragilis

>

> CANDIDA

> Candida kefir

> Candida pseudotropicalis

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