Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Thanks, I have saved the link so that I can have quicker access to the site you mention in the future. From the way this reads, it does pertain to those kids who really are " misbehaving " as opposed to those who have IEP's, behavior plans and 504 plans. I will be in contact with my representative who was one of the authors.... We as parents, still have SO MUCH work to do to educate those who are in charge of our children's education as to how their disorders affect their behavior! I am not so naieve as to think that a bill like this one couldn't affect my family, but if I can continue to win the support of the key administrators in the school district, that will be a step in the right direction. I am constantly amazed at the wealth of information shared on this list! Thanks to all of you and have a Happy and safe NEW YEAR! Blessings from southeastern PA wrote: From what I glanced at, this bill pertains to students who have been expelled and will not affect the IDEA laws regarding behavior discipline. Here's the link: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2001/0/HB0593P3042.HTM This part was at the bottom of the page: Section 9. Exemptions. Nothing in this act shall supersede the provisions of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (Public Law 91-230, 20 U.S.C. § 1400 et seq.) and its corresponding Federal regulations relating to the discipline of challenged students. Section 10. Regulations. The State board shall promulgate regulations to carry out this act. Section 11. Repeals. All acts and parts of acts are repealed insofar as they are inconsistent with this act. Section 12. Effective date. This act shall take effect in 60 days. > Hi everyone - > Back with more info on The " Student Responsibility Law " . > Phyllis Pepe > ppepe40@n... > a.. It is House Bill #593. > b.. It passed the house on December 10th, 2001. > c.. The vote was 150 - 46 > d.. It went to the Senate Education Committee on December 13, 2001. > e.. The state offices closed at 4:00 p.m. today and will not open again until next Wednesday. > f.. Please take this time over the weekend and New Year's Holiday to send a letter to your state senator asking him/her to vote against this bill if it comes to the floor of the state senate. > g.. I don't know how to check the vote on this bill via the internet. Can anyone out there help me? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Thanks, I have saved the link so that I can have quicker access to the site you mention in the future. From the way this reads, it does pertain to those kids who really are " misbehaving " as opposed to those who have IEP's, behavior plans and 504 plans. I will be in contact with my representative who was one of the authors.... We as parents, still have SO MUCH work to do to educate those who are in charge of our children's education as to how their disorders affect their behavior! I am not so naieve as to think that a bill like this one couldn't affect my family, but if I can continue to win the support of the key administrators in the school district, that will be a step in the right direction. I am constantly amazed at the wealth of information shared on this list! Thanks to all of you and have a Happy and safe NEW YEAR! Blessings from southeastern PA wrote: From what I glanced at, this bill pertains to students who have been expelled and will not affect the IDEA laws regarding behavior discipline. Here's the link: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2001/0/HB0593P3042.HTM This part was at the bottom of the page: Section 9. Exemptions. Nothing in this act shall supersede the provisions of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (Public Law 91-230, 20 U.S.C. § 1400 et seq.) and its corresponding Federal regulations relating to the discipline of challenged students. Section 10. Regulations. The State board shall promulgate regulations to carry out this act. Section 11. Repeals. All acts and parts of acts are repealed insofar as they are inconsistent with this act. Section 12. Effective date. This act shall take effect in 60 days. > Hi everyone - > Back with more info on The " Student Responsibility Law " . > Phyllis Pepe > ppepe40@n... > a.. It is House Bill #593. > b.. It passed the house on December 10th, 2001. > c.. The vote was 150 - 46 > d.. It went to the Senate Education Committee on December 13, 2001. > e.. The state offices closed at 4:00 p.m. today and will not open again until next Wednesday. > f.. Please take this time over the weekend and New Year's Holiday to send a letter to your state senator asking him/her to vote against this bill if it comes to the floor of the state senate. > g.. I don't know how to check the vote on this bill via the internet. Can anyone out there help me? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Thanks, I have saved the link so that I can have quicker access to the site you mention in the future. From the way this reads, it does pertain to those kids who really are " misbehaving " as opposed to those who have IEP's, behavior plans and 504 plans. I will be in contact with my representative who was one of the authors.... We as parents, still have SO MUCH work to do to educate those who are in charge of our children's education as to how their disorders affect their behavior! I am not so naieve as to think that a bill like this one couldn't affect my family, but if I can continue to win the support of the key administrators in the school district, that will be a step in the right direction. I am constantly amazed at the wealth of information shared on this list! Thanks to all of you and have a Happy and safe NEW YEAR! Blessings from southeastern PA wrote: From what I glanced at, this bill pertains to students who have been expelled and will not affect the IDEA laws regarding behavior discipline. Here's the link: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2001/0/HB0593P3042.HTM This part was at the bottom of the page: Section 9. Exemptions. Nothing in this act shall supersede the provisions of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (Public Law 91-230, 20 U.S.C. § 1400 et seq.) and its corresponding Federal regulations relating to the discipline of challenged students. Section 10. Regulations. The State board shall promulgate regulations to carry out this act. Section 11. Repeals. All acts and parts of acts are repealed insofar as they are inconsistent with this act. Section 12. Effective date. This act shall take effect in 60 days. > Hi everyone - > Back with more info on The " Student Responsibility Law " . > Phyllis Pepe > ppepe40@n... > a.. It is House Bill #593. > b.. It passed the house on December 10th, 2001. > c.. The vote was 150 - 46 > d.. It went to the Senate Education Committee on December 13, 2001. > e.. The state offices closed at 4:00 p.m. today and will not open again until next Wednesday. > f.. Please take this time over the weekend and New Year's Holiday to send a letter to your state senator asking him/her to vote against this bill if it comes to the floor of the state senate. > g.. I don't know how to check the vote on this bill via the internet. Can anyone out there help me? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Hi and - My representative was one of the sponsors of the bill too, and I am not happy about that. I don't have time to check it right now, but I believe IDEA does not prevent your child from being expelled from school. There are safeguards and procedures to be followed, but our kids are subject to the law just as other kids are, despite their disabilities, unfortunately. Our kids are at great risk because of the comorbidity of ADHD and Bipolar that many of our OCD kids have. Kids with these disorders usually are the risk takers, the ones who don't think of the consequences of their actions, the ones who act impulsively so much of the time. I am almost positive that if your child brings a weapon to school, he/she will be arrested and expelled from school, probably immediately. The administration and police aren't going to give a hoot about your kid's disability if that happens. When your child appears in court, this state law might come in to play even if your child is a protected citizen under IDEA, and a judge may order you to pay for your child's education. They are not protected to the extent that they can risk harm to others. I know there are limits to the IDEA protections, that's why this law is so important to us. , you are very fortunate and wise that you have cultivated the cooperation of the key administrators in your school district. That is a lesson we all should learn and something we should all do in the process of securing services for our kids. I know I'm going to encourage all the members of my local parents group to do exactly that. Progress, not perfection Phyllis ppepe40@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:20 AM .. . .We as parents, still have SO MUCH work to do to educate those who are in charge of our children's education as to how their disorders affect their behavior! I am not so naieve as to think that a bill like this one couldn't affect my family, but if I can continue to win the support of the key administrators in the school district, that will be a step in the right direction. I am constantly amazed at the wealth of information shared on this list! Thanks to all of you and have a Happy and safe NEW YEAR! Blessings from southeastern PA wrote: From what I glanced at, this bill pertains to students who have been expelled and will not affect the IDEA laws regarding behavior discipline. Here's the link: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2001/0/HB0593P3042.HTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:48 AM Well, I don't even live in your state but I think it's VERY unfair to expect the parents to pay for the child's education if they're expelled from school. I think the state still owes them an education whether it's sending the work home, being sent to a separate site for school or what. I know that " I " wouldn't be able to pay for anything and also it's punishing the parent. And although we all hear the words about kids " where's the parent? " we can NOT always control them and their behavior, whether they've got a disorder or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with you 100 % Chris. The law, as it is written, allows for the student and/or the parents to perform community service if they are unable to pay the educational costs. Half the time, we single parents can't even afford a lawyer when our kids get in trouble, and have to depend on the public defenders that are assigned to the juvenile system. Paying for an alternative education is absurd. The thought that my kid could even have a remote chance of being covered by this law is outrageous. Times have changed so drastically from when I went to school. Parents and students used to respect teachers, administrators, and authority in general. Not so anymore. Teachers themselves aren't as well educated and don't tend to the overall education of children. Chelle had a fifth grade English teacher who was reading " The Call of the Wild " to the class. Just as an isolated example of the dumbing down of our teachers, he pronounced Francois as " Fran coas iss " instead of " Fran swa. " This is a man who has been teaching fifth grade for a number of years. Just because he's an English teacher doesn't mean he shouldn't know how to pronounce a French name of a character in a book he's reading. I never went to college and I know how to pronounce it correctly. Morality, right, and wrong are words that aren't used. The catch word is " inappropriate. " They want respect, but what do they do to earn it? At the alternative school that Chelle attended, all the teachers were called by their first names - including the principal. For what purpose? Certainly didn't help to teach the kids respect. What's wrong with Mr. instead of Jim or Randy for the teacher's name? Perhaps if we put more stock in manners and proper dress and behavior, a lot of the 'normal' kids wouldn't be getting into so much trouble and escalating the educational costs because of being placed in the alternative schools. Then our kids, who have bona fide disorders and behavior that is a result of those disorders, get lumped in and treated the same as everyone else. The parents who don't care about their kids, who let them run at all hours of the night and day, who are too busy getting high or drunk themselves - yes, they should pay for their kid's alternative placement. But I shouldn't be punished because my kid has some brain disorder, and neither should my kid. I've got to stop - I could go on and on, but I'll only get myself upset. You all have a good day and keep loving your children the wonderful way that you do. Progress, not perfection Phyllis ppepe40@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:48 AM Well, I don't even live in your state but I think it's VERY unfair to expect the parents to pay for the child's education if they're expelled from school. I think the state still owes them an education whether it's sending the work home, being sent to a separate site for school or what. I know that " I " wouldn't be able to pay for anything and also it's punishing the parent. And although we all hear the words about kids " where's the parent? " we can NOT always control them and their behavior, whether they've got a disorder or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with you 100 % Chris. The law, as it is written, allows for the student and/or the parents to perform community service if they are unable to pay the educational costs. Half the time, we single parents can't even afford a lawyer when our kids get in trouble, and have to depend on the public defenders that are assigned to the juvenile system. Paying for an alternative education is absurd. The thought that my kid could even have a remote chance of being covered by this law is outrageous. Times have changed so drastically from when I went to school. Parents and students used to respect teachers, administrators, and authority in general. Not so anymore. Teachers themselves aren't as well educated and don't tend to the overall education of children. Chelle had a fifth grade English teacher who was reading " The Call of the Wild " to the class. Just as an isolated example of the dumbing down of our teachers, he pronounced Francois as " Fran coas iss " instead of " Fran swa. " This is a man who has been teaching fifth grade for a number of years. Just because he's an English teacher doesn't mean he shouldn't know how to pronounce a French name of a character in a book he's reading. I never went to college and I know how to pronounce it correctly. Morality, right, and wrong are words that aren't used. The catch word is " inappropriate. " They want respect, but what do they do to earn it? At the alternative school that Chelle attended, all the teachers were called by their first names - including the principal. For what purpose? Certainly didn't help to teach the kids respect. What's wrong with Mr. instead of Jim or Randy for the teacher's name? Perhaps if we put more stock in manners and proper dress and behavior, a lot of the 'normal' kids wouldn't be getting into so much trouble and escalating the educational costs because of being placed in the alternative schools. Then our kids, who have bona fide disorders and behavior that is a result of those disorders, get lumped in and treated the same as everyone else. The parents who don't care about their kids, who let them run at all hours of the night and day, who are too busy getting high or drunk themselves - yes, they should pay for their kid's alternative placement. But I shouldn't be punished because my kid has some brain disorder, and neither should my kid. I've got to stop - I could go on and on, but I'll only get myself upset. You all have a good day and keep loving your children the wonderful way that you do. Progress, not perfection Phyllis ppepe40@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:48 AM Well, I don't even live in your state but I think it's VERY unfair to expect the parents to pay for the child's education if they're expelled from school. I think the state still owes them an education whether it's sending the work home, being sent to a separate site for school or what. I know that " I " wouldn't be able to pay for anything and also it's punishing the parent. And although we all hear the words about kids " where's the parent? " we can NOT always control them and their behavior, whether they've got a disorder or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with you 100 % Chris. The law, as it is written, allows for the student and/or the parents to perform community service if they are unable to pay the educational costs. Half the time, we single parents can't even afford a lawyer when our kids get in trouble, and have to depend on the public defenders that are assigned to the juvenile system. Paying for an alternative education is absurd. The thought that my kid could even have a remote chance of being covered by this law is outrageous. Times have changed so drastically from when I went to school. Parents and students used to respect teachers, administrators, and authority in general. Not so anymore. Teachers themselves aren't as well educated and don't tend to the overall education of children. Chelle had a fifth grade English teacher who was reading " The Call of the Wild " to the class. Just as an isolated example of the dumbing down of our teachers, he pronounced Francois as " Fran coas iss " instead of " Fran swa. " This is a man who has been teaching fifth grade for a number of years. Just because he's an English teacher doesn't mean he shouldn't know how to pronounce a French name of a character in a book he's reading. I never went to college and I know how to pronounce it correctly. Morality, right, and wrong are words that aren't used. The catch word is " inappropriate. " They want respect, but what do they do to earn it? At the alternative school that Chelle attended, all the teachers were called by their first names - including the principal. For what purpose? Certainly didn't help to teach the kids respect. What's wrong with Mr. instead of Jim or Randy for the teacher's name? Perhaps if we put more stock in manners and proper dress and behavior, a lot of the 'normal' kids wouldn't be getting into so much trouble and escalating the educational costs because of being placed in the alternative schools. Then our kids, who have bona fide disorders and behavior that is a result of those disorders, get lumped in and treated the same as everyone else. The parents who don't care about their kids, who let them run at all hours of the night and day, who are too busy getting high or drunk themselves - yes, they should pay for their kid's alternative placement. But I shouldn't be punished because my kid has some brain disorder, and neither should my kid. I've got to stop - I could go on and on, but I'll only get myself upset. You all have a good day and keep loving your children the wonderful way that you do. Progress, not perfection Phyllis ppepe40@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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