Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 You are so right Rogene. You know tobacco companies still deny that nicotine is addictive or harmful. So...when a man who makes his living putting in implants tells me this I find it very hard to swallow... Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Good luck Kathy. I am so glad you are going to be feeling better. I wouldn't wish this sickness on anybody. Dr. Warren (the quack) said he has heard of Dr. Kolb. Then when he went on to criticize her I wondered "Hmm...how come nobody has ever heard of you Dr. Warren." LOL When he took off my support bra he even admitted that the results looked wonderful. Sing the praises of Dr. Kolb. Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 RIGHT ON JULIE! CLOSE-MINDED IS EXACTLY IT! Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Very well written, thank you for putting this man in his place...love...Lea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` BEWARE IN BOSTON > > > After surgery last week with the wonderful Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, I > returned home to Boston. I went to Massachusetts General > Hospital...a place I am very familiar with because of all the ER > visits and the doctors who labeled me a " medical mystery " (AKA a > mental case). I went to have my drains and stitches out. The chief > of plastic surgery was over an hour late and then decided to give me > a lecture on saline implants. > > He asked me all about the surgery and if I had them out because of > contracture or rupture. I said no...I've been extremely sick. Then > I threw out the old... " I know the medical community says the evidence > is not conclusive enough to show that implants make you sick...BLAH > BLAH BLAH " just to let him know that I was not there to try and put > him out of business or start a war. Plus...he was going to pull out > my drains (OUCH...it hurt more than the other stuff) so I did not > want to make him mad. > > He gave me the eye roll and said... " Actually the evidence IS > conclusive and it definitively shows that implants do not make > ANYBODY sick. SILICONE AND SALINE are completely safe. " Can you > believe it? He actually said the words " silicone is safe. " Then he > said...if you have been sick it is because you would have gotten sick > anyway and it has nothing to do with your implants. (I've never > heard of an epidemic of neurological and autoimmune diseases in young > healthy women in my lifetime...until now. By the way...none of even > my oldest relatives has either.) > > Rather than argue with him I just said OK fine now just take these > things out please. He went on to talk poorly of Dr. Kolb saying that > if she was a good surgeon she would have called him ahead of time and > faxed over my charts and pictures. I told him that I never asked her > to, that his office told me not to bring in anything, and Dr. Kolb is > too busy trying to save the world from doctors like him. So...he > blamed it on his secretary. > > The worst thing is that he had a student with him learning the ways > of the plastic surgeon's world where you lie to people. You > know...any doctor who says that ALL the evidence is in and everything > is conclusive about ANYTHING in such an adamant way scares me. It > just convinces me that he is hiding something. All people should be > able to admit that we do not know everything. History tells us that > people are often wrong (i.e. silicone implants, asbestos, cigarettes, > drugs causing birth defects, etc.) The list goes on. If any HUMAN > tells me all the evidence is in when the studies are still going on > and that 99% of women do not have a bad reaction when so many stories > of sickness are coming out everyday...it makes me want to remind him > that people used to think the world was flat. Besides I've always > learned that " ALWAYS " and " NEVER " should be used very cautiously > since they create rash generalizations. > > So...here's to you Dr. Warren, Chief of Plastic Surgery, MGH in > Boston...in about ten years when MORE of the evidence is in, I will > remember you well enough to put your face on a poster with the > quote " It's conclusive...all implants are safe. " > > Have a great day ladies. Watch out for anyone trying to make you > think that it was YOU who got sick and the implants are innocent. > > Christy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Here Here Christy!! Well said. I am happy you are feeling better. My turn is coming. I have met many doctors who think they are GODS anyway. I work in an attorneys office and we deal with their over inflated egos a lot!! It makes me sick. Who the hell do they think they are anyway? They are not Gods. Get well soon. Kathy --- In , " sodarene2 " <SodaRene2@a...> wrote: > > After surgery last week with the wonderful Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, I > returned home to Boston. I went to Massachusetts General > Hospital...a place I am very familiar with because of all the ER > visits and the doctors who labeled me a " medical mystery " (AKA a > mental case). I went to have my drains and stitches out. The chief > of plastic surgery was over an hour late and then decided to give me > a lecture on saline implants. > > He asked me all about the surgery and if I had them out because of > contracture or rupture. I said no...I've been extremely sick. Then > I threw out the old... " I know the medical community says the evidence > is not conclusive enough to show that implants make you sick...BLAH > BLAH BLAH " just to let him know that I was not there to try and put > him out of business or start a war. Plus...he was going to pull out > my drains (OUCH...it hurt more than the other stuff) so I did not > want to make him mad. > > He gave me the eye roll and said... " Actually the evidence IS > conclusive and it definitively shows that implants do not make > ANYBODY sick. SILICONE AND SALINE are completely safe. " Can you > believe it? He actually said the words " silicone is safe. " Then he > said...if you have been sick it is because you would have gotten sick > anyway and it has nothing to do with your implants. (I've never > heard of an epidemic of neurological and autoimmune diseases in young > healthy women in my lifetime...until now. By the way...none of even > my oldest relatives has either.) > > Rather than argue with him I just said OK fine now just take these > things out please. He went on to talk poorly of Dr. Kolb saying that > if she was a good surgeon she would have called him ahead of time and > faxed over my charts and pictures. I told him that I never asked her > to, that his office told me not to bring in anything, and Dr. Kolb is > too busy trying to save the world from doctors like him. So...he > blamed it on his secretary. > > The worst thing is that he had a student with him learning the ways > of the plastic surgeon's world where you lie to people. You > know...any doctor who says that ALL the evidence is in and everything > is conclusive about ANYTHING in such an adamant way scares me. It > just convinces me that he is hiding something. All people should be > able to admit that we do not know everything. History tells us that > people are often wrong (i.e. silicone implants, asbestos, cigarettes, > drugs causing birth defects, etc.) The list goes on. If any HUMAN > tells me all the evidence is in when the studies are still going on > and that 99% of women do not have a bad reaction when so many stories > of sickness are coming out everyday...it makes me want to remind him > that people used to think the world was flat. Besides I've always > learned that " ALWAYS " and " NEVER " should be used very cautiously > since they create rash generalizations. > > So...here's to you Dr. Warren, Chief of Plastic Surgery, MGH in > Boston...in about ten years when MORE of the evidence is in, I will > remember you well enough to put your face on a poster with the > quote " It's conclusive...all implants are safe. " > > Have a great day ladies. Watch out for anyone trying to make you > think that it was YOU who got sick and the implants are innocent. > > Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Christy, I had a doctor tell me to get over my woes, as I was sick and that I had to get on with my life, and implants had nothing to do with it, silly girl!You heard it right, siilly girl. My hubby just about went off on him and hit him. He told him"My frickin wife if 26 years old with thyroid dieases, large nodules, neurological symptoms and Rheuamtoid arthrits... and you think that is silly? The youngest patient in this whole office, you think she is silly? Your silly, ass! She is so young ,to have all this, of which there is no family history of. How can you be so sure, an implant, a "foreign object," medically known to trigger auto immnue responses-that there is no way they could cause her to react? Who made you God? My father has hip repacements and has been warned of the risks of immune reaction. Those implants are making her sick, she will get those silly damn things out and will get better! Dont ever call sick women suffering again silly!" Man he went off! He had had it with doctor after doctor telling me I was fine, it was in my head. My RA went away and I got better. I sent him a letter, and copies of my blood work.And a copy of the messy operative repsort. Told him ,he was silly to be so close minded. He needs to go away on a permanent vacation, to give them a break of their own delusions, with your doc! Bastards! >From: "sodarene2" <SodaRene2@...> >Reply- > >Subject: BEWARE IN BOSTON >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:20:05 -0000 > > > >After surgery last week with the wonderful Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, I >returned home to Boston. I went to Massachusetts General >Hospital...a place I am very familiar with because of all the ER >visits and the doctors who labeled me a "medical mystery" (AKA a >mental case). I went to have my drains and stitches out. The chief >of plastic surgery was over an hour late and then decided to give me >a lecture on saline implants. > >He asked me all about the surgery and if I had them out because of >contracture or rupture. I said no...I've been extremely sick. Then >I threw out the old..."I know the medical community says the evidence >is not conclusive enough to show that implants make you sick...BLAH >BLAH BLAH" just to let him know that I was not there to try and put >him out of business or start a war. Plus...he was going to pull out >my drains (OUCH...it hurt more than the other stuff) so I did not >want to make him mad. > >He gave me the eye roll and said..."Actually the evidence IS >conclusive and it definitively shows that implants do not make >ANYBODY sick. SILICONE AND SALINE are completely safe." Can you >believe it? He actually said the words "silicone is safe." Then he >said...if you have been sick it is because you would have gotten sick >anyway and it has nothing to do with your implants. (I've never >heard of an epidemic of neurological and autoimmune diseases in young >healthy women in my lifetime...until now. By the way...none of even >my oldest relatives has either.) > >Rather than argue with him I just said OK fine now just take these >things out please. He went on to talk poorly of Dr. Kolb saying that >if she was a good surgeon she would have called him ahead of time and >faxed over my charts and pictures. I told him that I never asked her >to, that his office told me not to bring in anything, and Dr. Kolb is >too busy trying to save the world from doctors like him. So...he >blamed it on his secretary. > >The worst thing is that he had a student with him learning the ways >of the plastic surgeon's world where you lie to people. You >know...any doctor who says that ALL the evidence is in and everything >is conclusive about ANYTHING in such an adamant way scares me. It >just convinces me that he is hiding something. All people should be >able to admit that we do not know everything. History tells us that >people are often wrong (i.e. silicone implants, asbestos, cigarettes, >drugs causing birth defects, etc.) The list goes on. If any HUMAN >tells me all the evidence is in when the studies are still going on >and that 99% of women do not have a bad reaction when so many stories >of sickness are coming out everyday...it makes me want to remind him >that people used to think the world was flat. Besides I've always >learned that "ALWAYS" and "NEVER" should be used very cautiously >since they create rash generalizations. > >So...here's to you Dr. Warren, Chief of Plastic Surgery, MGH in >Boston...in about ten years when MORE of the evidence is in, I will >remember you well enough to put your face on a poster with the >quote "It's conclusive...all implants are safe." > >Have a great day ladies. Watch out for anyone trying to make you >think that it was YOU who got sick and the implants are innocent. > >Christy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 By the way...Dr. Kolb called the doctor from hell and told him he was supposed to take out my stitches too. He was so rude and condescending to her that she said he needs to be reported for being abusive to patients and other doctors. He kept rambling on to her so she hung up on him! LOL Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Christy I sorry that getting your drains out had to be so stressful! I don't know how you managed to be civil to that doctor. It is a close call as to whether these doctors are more ignorant or arrogant. At least you know the truth and that is what matters the most! and that you get well and you definitely don't need the stress of situations like that. I hope the rest of your recovery from your explant is uneventful. Take care kathy --- In , " sodarene2 " <SodaRene2@a...> wrote: > > After surgery last week with the wonderful Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, I > returned home to Boston. I went to Massachusetts General > Hospital...a place I am very familiar with because of all the ER > visits and the doctors who labeled me a " medical mystery " (AKA a > mental case). I went to have my drains and stitches out. The chief > of plastic surgery was over an hour late and then decided to give me > a lecture on saline implants. > > He asked me all about the surgery and if I had them out because of > contracture or rupture. I said no...I've been extremely sick. Then > I threw out the old... " I know the medical community says the evidence > is not conclusive enough to show that implants make you sick...BLAH > BLAH BLAH " just to let him know that I was not there to try and put > him out of business or start a war. Plus...he was going to pull out > my drains (OUCH...it hurt more than the other stuff) so I did not > want to make him mad. > > He gave me the eye roll and said... " Actually the evidence IS > conclusive and it definitively shows that implants do not make > ANYBODY sick. SILICONE AND SALINE are completely safe. " Can you > believe it? He actually said the words " silicone is safe. " Then he > said...if you have been sick it is because you would have gotten sick > anyway and it has nothing to do with your implants. (I've never > heard of an epidemic of neurological and autoimmune diseases in young > healthy women in my lifetime...until now. By the way...none of even > my oldest relatives has either.) > > Rather than argue with him I just said OK fine now just take these > things out please. He went on to talk poorly of Dr. Kolb saying that > if she was a good surgeon she would have called him ahead of time and > faxed over my charts and pictures. I told him that I never asked her > to, that his office told me not to bring in anything, and Dr. Kolb is > too busy trying to save the world from doctors like him. So...he > blamed it on his secretary. > > The worst thing is that he had a student with him learning the ways > of the plastic surgeon's world where you lie to people. You > know...any doctor who says that ALL the evidence is in and everything > is conclusive about ANYTHING in such an adamant way scares me. It > just convinces me that he is hiding something. All people should be > able to admit that we do not know everything. History tells us that > people are often wrong (i.e. silicone implants, asbestos, cigarettes, > drugs causing birth defects, etc.) The list goes on. If any HUMAN > tells me all the evidence is in when the studies are still going on > and that 99% of women do not have a bad reaction when so many stories > of sickness are coming out everyday...it makes me want to remind him > that people used to think the world was flat. Besides I've always > learned that " ALWAYS " and " NEVER " should be used very cautiously > since they create rash generalizations. > > So...here's to you Dr. Warren, Chief of Plastic Surgery, MGH in > Boston...in about ten years when MORE of the evidence is in, I will > remember you well enough to put your face on a poster with the > quote " It's conclusive...all implants are safe. " > > Have a great day ladies. Watch out for anyone trying to make you > think that it was YOU who got sick and the implants are innocent. > > Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Kathy Now I am getting confused which posts I wrote and which you wrote! Since we have the same name, would you mind going by kathy2 or kate or something else? It will make it easier for everyone to know which kathy is posting. Thanks! hugs, kathy > > > > After surgery last week with the wonderful Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, I > > returned home to Boston. I went to Massachusetts General > > Hospital...a place I am very familiar with because of all the ER > > visits and the doctors who labeled me a " medical mystery " (AKA a > > mental case). I went to have my drains and stitches out. The > chief > > of plastic surgery was over an hour late and then decided to give > me > > a lecture on saline implants. > > > > He asked me all about the surgery and if I had them out because of > > contracture or rupture. I said no...I've been extremely sick. > Then > > I threw out the old... " I know the medical community says the > evidence > > is not conclusive enough to show that implants make you sick...BLAH > > BLAH BLAH " just to let him know that I was not there to try and put > > him out of business or start a war. Plus...he was going to pull > out > > my drains (OUCH...it hurt more than the other stuff) so I did not > > want to make him mad. > > > > He gave me the eye roll and said... " Actually the evidence IS > > conclusive and it definitively shows that implants do not make > > ANYBODY sick. SILICONE AND SALINE are completely safe. " Can you > > believe it? He actually said the words " silicone is safe. " Then > he > > said...if you have been sick it is because you would have gotten > sick > > anyway and it has nothing to do with your implants. (I've never > > heard of an epidemic of neurological and autoimmune diseases in > young > > healthy women in my lifetime...until now. By the way...none of > even > > my oldest relatives has either.) > > > > Rather than argue with him I just said OK fine now just take these > > things out please. He went on to talk poorly of Dr. Kolb saying > that > > if she was a good surgeon she would have called him ahead of time > and > > faxed over my charts and pictures. I told him that I never asked > her > > to, that his office told me not to bring in anything, and Dr. Kolb > is > > too busy trying to save the world from doctors like him. So...he > > blamed it on his secretary. > > > > The worst thing is that he had a student with him learning the ways > > of the plastic surgeon's world where you lie to people. You > > know...any doctor who says that ALL the evidence is in and > everything > > is conclusive about ANYTHING in such an adamant way scares me. It > > just convinces me that he is hiding something. All people should > be > > able to admit that we do not know everything. History tells us > that > > people are often wrong (i.e. silicone implants, asbestos, > cigarettes, > > drugs causing birth defects, etc.) The list goes on. If any HUMAN > > tells me all the evidence is in when the studies are still going on > > and that 99% of women do not have a bad reaction when so many > stories > > of sickness are coming out everyday...it makes me want to remind > him > > that people used to think the world was flat. Besides I've always > > learned that " ALWAYS " and " NEVER " should be used very cautiously > > since they create rash generalizations. > > > > So...here's to you Dr. Warren, Chief of Plastic Surgery, MGH in > > Boston...in about ten years when MORE of the evidence is in, I will > > remember you well enough to put your face on a poster with the > > quote " It's conclusive...all implants are safe. " > > > > Have a great day ladies. Watch out for anyone trying to make you > > think that it was YOU who got sick and the implants are innocent. > > > > Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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