Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

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Interesting to read. Thanks. I do love fondues!

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Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 19:19:40 -0500

To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Subject: Re: Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

This discussion makes think about fondue and raclette.

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i have learned that life is too short you might as well enjoy it. I had a friend who always grazed the desserts that were set out on the table when we went to meetings and they served meals. She would always say: life's too short. Eat dessert first. you may be dead my the end of the meal! Morbid in a way but funny too!

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Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

I'm sorry .. but you aren't helping.. I mean come on !!! How could you talk about a chocolate pie in such specific detail.. it's practically unjust ! Here I am.. craving chocolate.. and you have to mention chocolate pie? That's just plain mean !! LOL I can understand cringing.. because of the whole point of raw milk.. but at the same time.. you gotta enjoy things worth living for.. like chocolate LOL !!> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2975 - Release Date: 07/01/10 06:35:00> >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2976 - Release Date: 07/01/10 18:35:00>

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i have learned that life is too short you might as well enjoy it. I had a friend who always grazed the desserts that were set out on the table when we went to meetings and they served meals. She would always say: life's too short. Eat dessert first. you may be dead my the end of the meal! Morbid in a way but funny too!

Have a great weekend. It's FRIDAY!!!!!! Have a great Independence day everyone. Please remember the sacrifices of our forefathers and of our military personnel. It doesn't matter that you believe we should be in certain parts of the world fighting; what matters is they have and are sacrificing so that we can have freedoms no other country has: like this Raw Dairy forum!

Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

I'm sorry .. but you aren't helping.. I mean come on !!! How could you talk about a chocolate pie in such specific detail.. it's practically unjust ! Here I am.. craving chocolate.. and you have to mention chocolate pie? That's just plain mean !! LOL I can understand cringing.. because of the whole point of raw milk.. but at the same time.. you gotta enjoy things worth living for.. like chocolate LOL !!> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2975 - Release Date: 07/01/10 06:35:00> >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2976 - Release Date: 07/01/10 18:35:00>

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ok. so when you soak the flour you will have nothing to drain off later and that is ok. this has always perplexed me and has been a hindrance for me in making bread. Oatmeal, too, as the oatmeal would soak up the milk. to me, the flour and milk mixture would make a sticky mess. I usually add my flour separately and with other ingredients, to the wet ingredients.

ro

Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

I think the point is that the milk encourages fermentation of the pancakes, which besides changing the texture and flavor, also breaks down phytic acids from the grains. Once you bake and kill off the cultures, this breakdown of the phytic acid has already occured, so its not neccessary for it to still be "living" when you eat it.

-Bill

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, eclecticparadise <eclecticparadise> wrote:

Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water and cooking immediately.Okay my questions are:-----------------------------------PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

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ok. so when you soak the flour you will have nothing to drain off later and that is ok. this has always perplexed me and has been a hindrance for me in making bread. Oatmeal, too, as the oatmeal would soak up the milk. to me, the flour and milk mixture would make a sticky mess. I usually add my flour separately and with other ingredients, to the wet ingredients.

ro

Re: Soured Raw Milk Question

I think the point is that the milk encourages fermentation of the pancakes, which besides changing the texture and flavor, also breaks down phytic acids from the grains. Once you bake and kill off the cultures, this breakdown of the phytic acid has already occured, so its not neccessary for it to still be "living" when you eat it.

-Bill

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:25 AM, eclecticparadise <eclecticparadise> wrote:

Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water and cooking immediately.Okay my questions are:-----------------------------------PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

[Guest guest]

That's true !! So when you soak four.. you have to add less liquid to a mix so

it's not soupy.. I would assume..

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> Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's

a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:

>

>

> 2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach

results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water

and cooking immediately.

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> Okay my questions are:

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>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's true !! So when you soak four.. you have to add less liquid to a mix so

it's not soupy.. I would assume..

>

> Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's

a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:

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>

> 2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach

results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water

and cooking immediately.

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>

> Okay my questions are:

> -----------------------------------

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't make those foods.

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> ok. so if you don't COOK or BAKE with your milk how do you make certain dishes

like homemade pudding, custards and cream pies?

> ro

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> you soak it on the counter. I don't cook or bake with my raw milk/raw dairy.

it will destroy the good bacteria, enzymes and some of the other nutrients.

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[Guest guest]

yes, you have nothing to drain off. I would follow the recipes in Nourishing

Traditions. for example, after soaking the oatmeal overnight, the next day, you

add some additional water and boil.

>

> Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's

a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:

>

>

> 2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach

results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water

and cooking immediately.

>

>

>

> Okay my questions are:

> -----------------------------------

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, you have nothing to drain off. I would follow the recipes in Nourishing

Traditions. for example, after soaking the oatmeal overnight, the next day, you

add some additional water and boil.

>

> Hi ! I was wondering if somebody can clarify some things for me... Here's

a copy & paste based on someone's files from this group:

>

>

> 2. Soak organic pancake mix overnight in soured milk. This approach

results in much tastier, fluffier, and healthier pancakes than mixing with water

and cooking immediately.

>

>

>

> Okay my questions are:

> -----------------------------------

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

But if all you buy is raw milk, and the quality is better than what you

get in the store, why wouldn't you use raw milk to cook with? Unless

the cost of raw is prohibitive, or you can only get a limited supply so

want to keep what you have just for drinking - that would be different,

of course. My thought is that I am doing the best I can in basic

ingredients for my family, and that is important to me, so I feel good

about using it for both drinking and cooking.

Polly

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[Guest guest]

Yep, that's what we do. We have lots of raw milk (from our own goats), so cost is not a problem. We cook with it and drink it, raw of course - even if it is cooked in something, I still think that it is much better than the store bought stuff that is pasturized and homogenized and comes from a place that I do not want to drink milk from!!But, everyone can have their own opinion . We make lots of puddings and cheese with our milk, and the temperature the milk gets to when making some things, I'm sure it is at least somewhat "pasturized."Suriyah ________Good Goats ~ Mini Nubian Dairy & Meat Goats in NE Oklahoma,http://www.goodgoats.netBlog - http://goodgoats.blogspot.com But if all you buy is raw milk, and the quality is better than what you get in the store, why wouldn't you use raw milk to cook with? Unless the cost of raw is prohibitive, or you can only get a limited supply so want to keep what you have just for drinking - that would be different, of course. My thought is that I am doing the best I can in basic ingredients for my family, and that is important to me, so I feel good about using it for both drinking and cooking. Polly >

[Guest guest]

Vinegar in water can also be used, which would leave me to believe that

it is the acidity?? Or the acidity AND bacteria? Maybe vinegar doesn't

work as well if it is pasteurized? Sour milk would have both more

acidity and bacteria than fresh. But then, you can soak nuts overnight

in a salt water solution to make them more digestible, which would have

neither acid or bacteria, would it? I'm confused. :-)

Polly

econurbs@... wrote:

> Is it the sourness that breaks down phytates and not the bacteria?

[Guest guest]

cooking with raw milk is not as damaging as pasteurizing raw milk, so like you,

I would still use raw milk for cooking. some say homogenization is even worse

than pasteurization but you can buy pasteurized unhomogenized milk.

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> > But if all you buy is raw milk, and the quality is better than what

> > you

> > get in the store, why wouldn't you use raw milk to cook with? Unless

> > the cost of raw is prohibitive, or you can only get a limited

> > supply so

> > want to keep what you have just for drinking - that would be

> > different,

> > of course. My thought is that I am doing the best I can in basic

> > ingredients for my family, and that is important to me, so I feel good

> > about using it for both drinking and cooking.

> >

> > Polly

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[Guest guest]

cooking with raw milk is not as damaging as pasteurizing raw milk, so like you,

I would still use raw milk for cooking. some say homogenization is even worse

than pasteurization but you can buy pasteurized unhomogenized milk.

>

> > But if all you buy is raw milk, and the quality is better than what

> > you

> > get in the store, why wouldn't you use raw milk to cook with? Unless

> > the cost of raw is prohibitive, or you can only get a limited

> > supply so

> > want to keep what you have just for drinking - that would be

> > different,

> > of course. My thought is that I am doing the best I can in basic

> > ingredients for my family, and that is important to me, so I feel good

> > about using it for both drinking and cooking.

> >

> > Polly

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

cooking with raw milk is not as damaging as pasteurizing raw milk, so like you,

I would still use raw milk for cooking. some say homogenization is even worse

than pasteurization but you can buy pasteurized unhomogenized milk.

>

> > But if all you buy is raw milk, and the quality is better than what

> > you

> > get in the store, why wouldn't you use raw milk to cook with? Unless

> > the cost of raw is prohibitive, or you can only get a limited

> > supply so

> > want to keep what you have just for drinking - that would be

> > different,

> > of course. My thought is that I am doing the best I can in basic

> > ingredients for my family, and that is important to me, so I feel good

> > about using it for both drinking and cooking.

> >

> > Polly

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

it can get confusing. I just follow the recipes in Nourishing Traditions.

> > Is it the sourness that breaks down phytates and not the bacteria?

>

[Guest guest]

it can get confusing. I just follow the recipes in Nourishing Traditions.

> > Is it the sourness that breaks down phytates and not the bacteria?

>

[Guest guest]

it can get confusing. I just follow the recipes in Nourishing Traditions.

> > Is it the sourness that breaks down phytates and not the bacteria?

>