Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

July 6, 2010

lol trust me.. I don't have any special sense of smell and taste.. My senses

have probably all been shot from being born & raised on what the supermarket had

to offer.. I didn't really know/understand about organic food until I was in my

early twenties !

My mom's main concern was raising 6 kids by herself (with health problems) after

my father passed away. It's not that she just wanted to save money. She really

didn't think the government was as bad as it is. She trusted the food in the

supermarkets.

I tried to become a vegetarian in my teens mainly out of concern for animal

welfare... and I hate to admit... I wanted to be a part of something I thought

was cool.. I felt like a hero for saving lives.. especially after taking the

PETA pledge. Then I felt so weak since I didn't like vegetable.. except for

rice and beans (LOL).. So that didn't work out too well..

It's hard.. as I'm getting closer to my 30s .. it seems like I'm discovering

true nutrition so late.. I wonder what difference it would've made in my life

had I had the opportunity to have been raised the WAPF way.

It's crazy.. because my best friend has been following the WAPF since 2008 and

tried to talk to people about it.. and sometimes they didn't even try to brush

it off politely. She stopped talking to her co-workers because they thought she

was going through a " faze " and that she's completely wrong.. into conspiracies..

and a bit out there.. they won't even consider doing their own research.

I must admit.. I was very skeptical.. not about my best friend.. but I didn't

trust WAPF.. it went against everything I knew.. and I've been slowly but surely

coming around.. after all.. I want everyone.. (including my husband and 14 month

old daughter) to be as healthy as they can possibly be.

>

> I don¹t make yoghurt but was just reading on redwood hills site that they

> add some tapioca to their yoghurt to thicken it.

> For fridge temp you can always buy a thermometer and keep it in the fridge

> to see what your temp settings are.

>

> Milk is alive and constantly changes. also the goat or cow, in lactation

> they change too. I notice more interesting (shall we say) tastes further

> along in lactation. My one goat will give less but creamier the further

> along in lactation. Also I notice slight changes in taste depending on the

> weather, the goat, where it sits in the fridge (next to other foods?) how

> many times its been opened. If my buck is in rut sometimes that changes my

> does milk. Also i¹ve never ³tasted many of those things, possibly you have a

> more discerning sense of smell and taste. Milk I drank tonight had a bit of

> an aftertaste I couldn¹t figure out. Still went down great. And satisfying

> but then remembered that was milk not for sale as it might have gotten a few

> drops of rain in it. but it was last nights milk.

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> Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:50:10 -0000

> To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

> Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

>

> You're not kidding ! Wow !! I just tried the yogurt I made.. and it was

> definitely SOUR ! I will definitely try to start over with fresh raw milk !

> I wish I could duplicate Dannon plain yogurt without all of the extras.. !!

> Pretty thick yogurt... Seems like they may be using gelatin .. I want to

> keep yogurt simple and cost effective..

>

> Why is it that everything bad for you tastes good?

>

July 6, 2010

You might get some yogurt starter from Dairy Connection. They have 2 types, one

is " thick and mild " and it makes a wonderful, not sour, spoon thick yogurt.

Even on a 24 hour ferment, which is how I make mine, it doesn't get very sour.

Ann

> > > > >

> > > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > > >

> > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll

no longer usable?

> > > > >

> > > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > > >

> > > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

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July 6, 2010

Thank you for the recommendation ! I will definitely check Dairy Connection !

I'm not that crazy about using gelatin if I don't have to.. You really caught

my attention when you said that after a hour fermentation period with the yogurt

starter.. the yogurt wasn't that sour !

I recently purchased raw milk kefir grains from e-bay... which sounds kind of

odd... knowing you can find almost anything on e-bay lol not that I'm

complaining !! lol Talk about one stop shopping !! I should be getting it soon

in the mail.. I think it was $7.50 total .. enough for 2-3 cups they say..

Kefir is something I've been curious to try.. so I'll see how that goes !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i

don't need the oven!

> > > > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll

no longer usable?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container

is unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left

over.. moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt

cultures to make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

> > > > > >

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July 6, 2010

things that are good for you taste good too. like raw milk, cream, cheese,

butter, etc. The raw yogurt I make and buy both taste great!

> > > > >

> > > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > > >

> > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll

no longer usable?

> > > > >

> > > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > > >

> > > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

> > > > >

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July 6, 2010

I guess I'm still adjusting.. I did like the raw milk.. when it was fresh.. up

until it was two weeks old.. on the 3 1/2 week mark.. it didn't taste right to

me.. It had an aftertaste and was thick .. reminded me of when I'm sick with a

bad cold and congested... it wouldn't go down when I tried to drink chocolate

milk I had made.

I gave the yogurt another try with my sour milk.. raising the temp. to about

120 degrees (gently, slowly).. then I turned off the stove.. and let it sit for

about 10 minutes.. and put it in the oven at 100 degrees for about 10 hours and

it did come out alot thicker.. !

I put it in the fridge.. then decided i'll try making cream cheese.. since I

don't have a type of yogurt strainer.. I made due with unbleached cheesecloth..

I opened a lock n lock container.. put the cheesecloth sheet over it.. held the

edges so it doesn't fall in.. added the yogurt in the center of the cloth.. and

carefully attached the lock n lock lid.. so the cloth (with yogurt) is suspended

in mid air.. while the whey is draining down to the bottom of the container.

I like learning new ways of doing things...

Ex: Learning how to make bread made me appreciate the work put into creating

things people buy without thinking. It still amazes me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i

don't need the oven!

> > > > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll

no longer usable?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container

is unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left

over.. moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt

cultures to make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

> > > > > >

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July 7, 2010

Don't feel bad about just now coming to these understandings when your almost

30. That's young compared to most people! :-) I was raised with a lot of those

natural health principles since there were a lot of farmers in my family, but

didn't think they were that important and didn't appreciate them as an adult and

we moved further and further away from farming. It took a long time and some

health crises in my own family for me to slowly get back to that way of thinking

and even move beyond what my own family taught me by way of WAPF. Now I find

myself reminding my own parents about healthy food of their parents and

grandparents that they have moved away from. (like pasteurization) I talked to

my father about raw milk the other day (he is 70) and he told me that his

parents (not farmers) bought their own pasteurizer in the 50's to pasteurize the

raw milk his family got from the family farm because they wanted to be healthy.

Brainwashing of the times. Anyway, after reading your posts, I was just going

to point out that as you move more and more into this way of eating and you also

go through your 30's you may find as many have, that your tastes do change. You

will probably not enjoy things to be quite as sweet and will develop a palate

that likes foods that right now might not appeal as much to you. Also, the more

you present foods to your young child, the more they will develop a taste for

them. I think I've heard before that a person has to taste something 26 times

(or some number like that) before they will like something that they don't

initially like. I make my son eat at least a couple bites of things he

absolutely detests every time it is served and slowly he comes around to pretty

much everything. He is 11 now and is finally showing a preference for the

healthy things and sometimes when he indulges in something not healthy, later on

he tells me " Mom, I need some healthy food now. " LOL I think he can physically

feel the difference between those kinds of foods now. As for me, in my 40's

now, when I eat the foods I might not have liked in my 20's (sour foods, whole

grain foods, plain yogurt, raw milk & cream, kefir, etc.) It tastes like heaven

to me now, especially once I moved out of eating things like chocolate milk and

HFCS. That stuff now tastes gross to me.

I commend you for your efforts. Keep up the good work!

~Karin

>

> lol trust me.. I don't have any special sense of smell and taste.. My senses

have probably all been shot from being born & raised on what the supermarket had

to offer.. I didn't really know/understand about organic food until I was in my

early twenties !

>

> My mom's main concern was raising 6 kids by herself (with health problems)

after my father passed away. It's not that she just wanted to save money. She

really didn't think the government was as bad as it is. She trusted the food in

the supermarkets.

>

> I tried to become a vegetarian in my teens mainly out of concern for animal

welfare... and I hate to admit... I wanted to be a part of something I thought

was cool.. I felt like a hero for saving lives.. especially after taking the

PETA pledge. Then I felt so weak since I didn't like vegetable.. except for

rice and beans (LOL).. So that didn't work out too well..

>

> It's hard.. as I'm getting closer to my 30s .. it seems like I'm discovering

true nutrition so late.. I wonder what difference it would've made in my life

had I had the opportunity to have been raised the WAPF way.

>

> It's crazy.. because my best friend has been following the WAPF since 2008 and

tried to talk to people about it.. and sometimes they didn't even try to brush

it off politely. She stopped talking to her co-workers because they thought she

was going through a " faze " and that she's completely wrong.. into conspiracies..

and a bit out there.. they won't even consider doing their own research.

>

> I must admit.. I was very skeptical.. not about my best friend.. but I didn't

trust WAPF.. it went against everything I knew.. and I've been slowly but surely

coming around.. after all.. I want everyone.. (including my husband and 14 month

old daughter) to be as healthy as they can possibly be.

>

July 7, 2010

Karin, thank you for the encouragement !

I agree with you 100 % I didn't like pure maple syrup, broccoli, onions, brown

rice, and yogurt up until recently ! !

I used to drink coffee with maybe 4-5 tsp. of white sugar !! Now.. if I do

drink coffee (which isn't that often).. I make organic caffeine free coffee with

1/2 tsp. of raw sugar !

I switched my salt to ancient sea salt. Whenever I make iced tea.. I add maybe

1/4 cup of water, and alot of ice to water it down.. so it's not too sweet.. I

tend to do the same with organic apple juice.

I don't know how far I'll go with WAPF.. but I'd like to be realistic and

reasonable about the whole thing.

Against Ex: I don't think they can convince me to drink animal blood or eat

liver, veal kidneys, and beef tongue.

For : Sprouting my organic brown rice, eating mainly wheat pasta, recently

giving up my cereal and replacing it with organic rolled oats from Whole Foods

bulk bin, or Cream of Wheat, using dry beans instead of can, using raw milk

instead of my skim milk (very difficult because I feared I would gain alot of

weight since it's whole fat).. I've stopped drinking as much juice... more

water.. switched my Tom of Maine toothpaste to fluoride free toothpaste,

... I soak my beans.. but I don't sprout them.. I tried.. and when I cook them..

all of the shells fall off and float to the top.. as oppose to my soaking them

and then cooking them.. they stay intact.

the list goes on and on..

The way I'm able to drink raw milk (still a newbie) is mixing 2 tsp. of

chocolate syrup in a mug and putting maybe 3 ice cubes.. and letting it sit..

melt a little.. for about a minute.

I found Ah!laska chocolate syrup at Whole Foods.

http://www.ahlaska.com/Products/productdetail.aspx?s=760519100119:Organic+Chocol\

ate+Syrup+-+15+++++++++OZ.

I'm slowly working my way down to 1/2 tsp.. and then drinking raw milk plain.

***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have Pur

Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

> >

> > lol trust me.. I don't have any special sense of smell and taste.. My senses

have probably all been shot from being born & raised on what the supermarket had

to offer.. I didn't really know/understand about organic food until I was in my

early twenties !

> >

> > My mom's main concern was raising 6 kids by herself (with health problems)

after my father passed away. It's not that she just wanted to save money. She

really didn't think the government was as bad as it is. She trusted the food in

the supermarkets.

> >

> > I tried to become a vegetarian in my teens mainly out of concern for animal

welfare... and I hate to admit... I wanted to be a part of something I thought

was cool.. I felt like a hero for saving lives.. especially after taking the

PETA pledge. Then I felt so weak since I didn't like vegetable.. except for

rice and beans (LOL).. So that didn't work out too well..

> >

> > It's hard.. as I'm getting closer to my 30s .. it seems like I'm

discovering true nutrition so late.. I wonder what difference it would've made

in my life had I had the opportunity to have been raised the WAPF way.

> >

> > It's crazy.. because my best friend has been following the WAPF since 2008

and tried to talk to people about it.. and sometimes they didn't even try to

brush it off politely. She stopped talking to her co-workers because they

thought she was going through a " faze " and that she's completely wrong.. into

conspiracies.. and a bit out there.. they won't even consider doing their own

research.

> >

> > I must admit.. I was very skeptical.. not about my best friend.. but I

didn't trust WAPF.. it went against everything I knew.. and I've been slowly but

surely coming around.. after all.. I want everyone.. (including my husband and

14 month old daughter) to be as healthy as they can possibly be.

> >

>

July 8, 2010

boiling water and then using the Pur filter will not remove the fluoride. you

need a filter that specifically removes fluoride.

>

> ***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have Pur

Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

>

July 8, 2010

boiling water and then using the Pur filter will not remove the fluoride. you

need a filter that specifically removes fluoride.

>

> ***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have Pur

Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

>

July 8, 2010

You just saved me some time ! Boiling water, and waiting for it to cool then

putting it in a pitcher would've been time consuming (but worth it if it had

actually removed the fluoride)... I'll see what filters they have online!

> >

> > ***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have

Pur Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

> >

>

July 8, 2010

You just saved me some time ! Boiling water, and waiting for it to cool then

putting it in a pitcher would've been time consuming (but worth it if it had

actually removed the fluoride)... I'll see what filters they have online!

> >

> > ***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have

Pur Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

> >

>

July 8, 2010

I changed things slowly over a period of a few years and I'm still making

beneficial changes slowly with different things. I'm not ever going to be

drinking blood, and probably not eating some of those organs and things you

mentioned either. It sounds like it is the same thing for you too. Don't fret

about it, your milk drink sounds delicious! I definitely know Ahlaska syrup -

we have it for my son. I used to make it for him quite often, but he now has it

maybe once a month. I love maple syrup - it is the best! But I keep some

" regular " pancake syrup around because I can't stand it when I serve my

expensive maple syrup to my nieces and nephews and they think it is yucky!

LOL...

I'm not sure what to say about the fluoridation problem. We have Ozarka spring

water delivered right now, but what I'd really like to have is my own water

machine. http://www.ecoloblue.com/

~Karin

>

> Karin, thank you for the encouragement !

>

> I agree with you 100 % I didn't like pure maple syrup, broccoli, onions,

brown rice, and yogurt up until recently ! !

>

> I used to drink coffee with maybe 4-5 tsp. of white sugar !! Now.. if I do

drink coffee (which isn't that often).. I make organic caffeine free coffee with

1/2 tsp. of raw sugar !

>

> I switched my salt to ancient sea salt. Whenever I make iced tea.. I add

maybe 1/4 cup of water, and alot of ice to water it down.. so it's not too

sweet.. I tend to do the same with organic apple juice.

>

> I don't know how far I'll go with WAPF.. but I'd like to be realistic and

reasonable about the whole thing.

>

> Against Ex: I don't think they can convince me to drink animal blood or eat

liver, veal kidneys, and beef tongue.

>

> For : Sprouting my organic brown rice, eating mainly wheat pasta, recently

giving up my cereal and replacing it with organic rolled oats from Whole Foods

bulk bin, or Cream of Wheat, using dry beans instead of can, using raw milk

instead of my skim milk (very difficult because I feared I would gain alot of

weight since it's whole fat).. I've stopped drinking as much juice... more

water.. switched my Tom of Maine toothpaste to fluoride free toothpaste,

... I soak my beans.. but I don't sprout them.. I tried.. and when I cook them..

all of the shells fall off and float to the top.. as oppose to my soaking them

and then cooking them.. they stay intact.

>

> the list goes on and on..

>

> The way I'm able to drink raw milk (still a newbie) is mixing 2 tsp. of

chocolate syrup in a mug and putting maybe 3 ice cubes.. and letting it sit..

melt a little.. for about a minute.

>

> I found Ah!laska chocolate syrup at Whole Foods.

>

http://www.ahlaska.com/Products/productdetail.aspx?s=760519100119:Organic+Chocol\

ate+Syrup+-+15+++++++++OZ.

>

> I'm slowly working my way down to 1/2 tsp.. and then drinking raw milk plain.

>

> ***** I can't seem to get away from fluoride in my drinking water. I have Pur

Water Pitcher Filtration System.. but it doesn't remove fluoride. What if I

boil the water.. then put it in my Pur pitcher? Do you think the fluoride would

still be there?

>

July 8, 2010