Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

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yogurt generally takes 6 - 12 hours. Never just a couple of hours. Most homemade raw yogurt is thin and soupy. Just drink it. There is nothing wrong with it. The good bacteria in yogurt culture create a good environment and so warm temp is not a problem. Those that are inexperienced with raw milk and culturing are scared of high temps and milk, but both yogurt and kefir are made with warm milk and they are wonderful products. Just not what the store sells.

Rhonda

Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

Hey ! I was wondering.. 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over.. moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to make it.. I had to wait.. )2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

[Guest guest]

Thank you for getting back to me so quickly !! I wasn't sure since the milk was

2 weeks old and I cooked it below 110 degrees and kept it even lower ! I'm

excited to try it !

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> yogurt generally takes 6 - 12 hours. Never just a couple of hours. Most

homemade raw yogurt is thin and soupy. Just drink it. There is nothing wrong

with it. The good bacteria in yogurt culture create a good environment and so

warm temp is not a problem. Those that are inexperienced with raw milk and

culturing are scared of high temps and milk, but both yogurt and kefir are made

with warm milk and they are wonderful products. Just not what the store sells.

>

> Rhonda

> Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

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>

>

> Hey ! I was wondering..

>

> 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

>

> I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

>

> 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of

hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again..

and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof

oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some

chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I waited

so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

>

[Guest guest]

Just keep asking questions and reading alternative material on raw dairy and products and you will learn.

Rhonda

Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions> > > > Hey ! I was wondering.. > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over.. moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to make it.. I had to wait.. )> > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?>

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i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't need the oven!

Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

Hey ! I was wondering.. 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over.. moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to make it.. I had to wait.. )2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

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[Guest guest]

lol Well !! That definitely answered that question ! Raw milk is incredibly

resilient !

Thanks

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> i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't need

the oven!

> Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

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>

>

> Hey ! I was wondering..

>

> 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

>

> I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

>

> 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of

hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again..

and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof

oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some

chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I waited

so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

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Oh !! I found info on drinking raw milk.. The people in this forum have mixed

opinions on how long you can drink raw milk before it's better left for baking,

or making yogurt.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/archive/index.php/t-1187671.html

Some people say 2 weeks.. others say 3-4 weeks..

This answers the first of my two questions.. Thank you all for answering my

second (regarding yogurt making) !!

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> > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't need

the oven!

> > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

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> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> >

> > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> >

> > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple

of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

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> Hey ! I was wondering..

>

> 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

>

Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks

and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't

had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've

been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

~Karin

[Guest guest]

Thank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing

out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing !

> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

> >

>

> Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2

weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We

haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years

we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

>

> ~Karin

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing

out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing !

> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

> >

>

> Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2

weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We

haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years

we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

>

> ~Karin

>

[Guest guest]

Every refridgerator is different. Opening it x amount of times a day is different. What your setting at is different. So really there is no way to answer this. I tell customers all the time, it stays in MY fridge for 4 weeks. In theirs? I have no idea. You just have to test it out. Put it to the coldest temp. try not to have kids or yourself open the fridge 20 times a day. Put on the lowest shelf in the back and so on... If you have a gallon check it out and see.

jo

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Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:03:35 -0000

To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

Thank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing !

> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable?

> >

>

> Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

[Guest guest]

Every refridgerator is different. Opening it x amount of times a day is different. What your setting at is different. So really there is no way to answer this. I tell customers all the time, it stays in MY fridge for 4 weeks. In theirs? I have no idea. You just have to test it out. Put it to the coldest temp. try not to have kids or yourself open the fridge 20 times a day. Put on the lowest shelf in the back and so on... If you have a gallon check it out and see.

jo

--

www.goodnessgraciousacres.com

Become a fan on FB

Delilah’s Dairy Goat Milk Soap

http://tinyurl.com/yzbq5j8

Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:03:35 -0000

To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

Thank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing !

> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable?

> >

>

> Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

[Guest guest]

The empahsis needs to be "There Is No Way to Answer This". The "refridgerator factor" plays a role in this as mentioned. But not mentioned, is the matter of "do you know the 24hr bacteria level" of your milk to start with ? Low count bacteria (Standard Plate Count) vs. a higher count will affect the shelf life/Safety. Also, is your milk jar labeled with the date it was "put up" so you have a date to start with. Our jars are dated, through monthly testing, I have an idea to our general (SPC), I see my customers weekly, and always chose a CONSERVATIVE response to the "shelf life question" - to factor in humane error (left it out on the counter) and the "fridge factor", Health and Safety is foremost....8 - 12 days if all things are at Standard or Above. And again the emphasis "There Is No Way to Answer This" use your

own discretion and caution when advising others/customers.

Subject: Re: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsTo: "RawDairy " <RawDairy >Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:04 AM

Every refridgerator is different. Opening it x amount of times a day is different. What your setting at is different. So really there is no way to answer this. I tell customers all the time, it stays in MY fridge for 4 weeks. In theirs? I have no idea. You just have to test it out. Put it to the coldest temp. try not to have kids or yourself open the fridge 20 times a day. Put on the lowest shelf in the back and so on... If you have a gallon check it out and see. jo-- www.goodnessgraciou sacres.comBecome a fan on FBDelilah’s Dairy Goat Milk Soaphttp://tinyurl. com/yzbq5j8From: eclecticparadise <eclecticparadise@ yahoo.com>Reply-To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:03:35 -0000To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsThank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing ! > >> > Hey ! I was wondering.. > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? > >> > Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

[Guest guest]

The empahsis needs to be "There Is No Way to Answer This". The "refridgerator factor" plays a role in this as mentioned. But not mentioned, is the matter of "do you know the 24hr bacteria level" of your milk to start with ? Low count bacteria (Standard Plate Count) vs. a higher count will affect the shelf life/Safety. Also, is your milk jar labeled with the date it was "put up" so you have a date to start with. Our jars are dated, through monthly testing, I have an idea to our general (SPC), I see my customers weekly, and always chose a CONSERVATIVE response to the "shelf life question" - to factor in humane error (left it out on the counter) and the "fridge factor", Health and Safety is foremost....8 - 12 days if all things are at Standard or Above. And again the emphasis "There Is No Way to Answer This" use your

own discretion and caution when advising others/customers.

Subject: Re: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsTo: "RawDairy " <RawDairy >Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:04 AM

Every refridgerator is different. Opening it x amount of times a day is different. What your setting at is different. So really there is no way to answer this. I tell customers all the time, it stays in MY fridge for 4 weeks. In theirs? I have no idea. You just have to test it out. Put it to the coldest temp. try not to have kids or yourself open the fridge 20 times a day. Put on the lowest shelf in the back and so on... If you have a gallon check it out and see. jo-- www.goodnessgraciou sacres.comBecome a fan on FBDelilah’s Dairy Goat Milk Soaphttp://tinyurl. com/yzbq5j8From: eclecticparadise <eclecticparadise@ yahoo.com>Reply-To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:03:35 -0000To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsThank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing ! > >> > Hey ! I was wondering.. > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? > >> > Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

[Guest guest]

The empahsis needs to be "There Is No Way to Answer This". The "refridgerator factor" plays a role in this as mentioned. But not mentioned, is the matter of "do you know the 24hr bacteria level" of your milk to start with ? Low count bacteria (Standard Plate Count) vs. a higher count will affect the shelf life/Safety. Also, is your milk jar labeled with the date it was "put up" so you have a date to start with. Our jars are dated, through monthly testing, I have an idea to our general (SPC), I see my customers weekly, and always chose a CONSERVATIVE response to the "shelf life question" - to factor in humane error (left it out on the counter) and the "fridge factor", Health and Safety is foremost....8 - 12 days if all things are at Standard or Above. And again the emphasis "There Is No Way to Answer This" use your

own discretion and caution when advising others/customers.

Subject: Re: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsTo: "RawDairy " <RawDairy >Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:04 AM

Every refridgerator is different. Opening it x amount of times a day is different. What your setting at is different. So really there is no way to answer this. I tell customers all the time, it stays in MY fridge for 4 weeks. In theirs? I have no idea. You just have to test it out. Put it to the coldest temp. try not to have kids or yourself open the fridge 20 times a day. Put on the lowest shelf in the back and so on... If you have a gallon check it out and see. jo-- www.goodnessgraciou sacres.comBecome a fan on FBDelilah’s Dairy Goat Milk Soaphttp://tinyurl. com/yzbq5j8From: eclecticparadise <eclecticparadise@ yahoo.com>Reply-To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:03:35 -0000To: "RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com" <RawDairy@yahoogroup s.com>Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration QuestionsThank you ! Then there's still hope for my unopen gallon !! I've been missing out on making chocolate milk ! About 3 weeks !! That's amazing ! > >> > Hey ! I was wondering.. > > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer usable? > >> > Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2 weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

[Guest guest]

if your milk starts to sour, try some of these ideas

http://tinyurl.com/29cwn7n

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> > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > >

> > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > >

> > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > >

> > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple

of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

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[Guest guest]

if your milk starts to sour, try some of these ideas

http://tinyurl.com/29cwn7n

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> > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > >

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> > >

> > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > >

> > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > >

> > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > >

> > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple

of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't recommend using older milk for making yogurt. I did once and it was

very, very sour.

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> > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

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> > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > >

> > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > >

> > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > >

> > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple

of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

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Quality raw milk that has been produced for human consumption is *always*

useable!

If the milk the milk has begun to clabber (sour), you can use it in pancake

batters and coffecake recipes in place of buttermilk.

I usually pour the clabbered milk into a saucepan, bring it to a boil to firm up

the curds and then strain it out and press it to make a fresh cheese. Yes, I

realize that it is no longer raw at this point, but it is still a delicious

farmers cheese. We usually make a dish called " chenna borji " out of the curds.

Fry up some black mustard seed and cumin in a little oil or ghee, add some

chopped onion, chopped jalapeno, saute until golden, then add a chopped tomato,

a bit of tumeric, salt and pepper, add the fresh curds. Stir and cook for

another few minutes to blend the flavours. Add some chopped cilantro, basil or

parsley. Serve on toast.

If only a small amount of milk has clabbered and I don't have enough to make any

particular recipe, I dilute it with water and spray it on the garden or water

the houseplants with it.

If you want a firmer yoghurt, try incubating it at a higher temperature. I find

that the lower temperature incubation makes a Turkish style " driking " yoghurt,

whereas the higher temperature incubation makes a firmer " eating " yoghurt. If

you want a really thick yoghurt, incubate at the higher temperature and then

strain it. Line a colander with a piece of butter muslin, pour the yoghurt into

it, tie up the corners and let is hang for several hours or overnight to drain.

The longer you drain it, the thicker the result.

Hope that helps.

Suzanna

>

> Hey ! I was wondering..

>

> 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

>

> I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is unopen..

(I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over.. moreso

than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to make

it.. I had to wait.. )

>

>

> 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of

hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again..

and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof

oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some

chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I

waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

>

[Guest guest]

Quality raw milk that has been produced for human consumption is *always*

useable!

If the milk the milk has begun to clabber (sour), you can use it in pancake

batters and coffecake recipes in place of buttermilk.

I usually pour the clabbered milk into a saucepan, bring it to a boil to firm up

the curds and then strain it out and press it to make a fresh cheese. Yes, I

realize that it is no longer raw at this point, but it is still a delicious

farmers cheese. We usually make a dish called " chenna borji " out of the curds.

Fry up some black mustard seed and cumin in a little oil or ghee, add some

chopped onion, chopped jalapeno, saute until golden, then add a chopped tomato,

a bit of tumeric, salt and pepper, add the fresh curds. Stir and cook for

another few minutes to blend the flavours. Add some chopped cilantro, basil or

parsley. Serve on toast.

If only a small amount of milk has clabbered and I don't have enough to make any

particular recipe, I dilute it with water and spray it on the garden or water

the houseplants with it.

If you want a firmer yoghurt, try incubating it at a higher temperature. I find

that the lower temperature incubation makes a Turkish style " driking " yoghurt,

whereas the higher temperature incubation makes a firmer " eating " yoghurt. If

you want a really thick yoghurt, incubate at the higher temperature and then

strain it. Line a colander with a piece of butter muslin, pour the yoghurt into

it, tie up the corners and let is hang for several hours or overnight to drain.

The longer you drain it, the thicker the result.

Hope that helps.

Suzanna

>

> Hey ! I was wondering..

>

> 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

>

> I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is unopen..

(I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over.. moreso

than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to make

it.. I had to wait.. )

>

>

> 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of

hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again..

and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof

oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some

chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I

waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jo !! My fridge (unfortunately) doesn't have the old dial setting..

it's the digital age now.. and because of this.. I have to keep pushing the

button until the correct temp. (I want the fridge to be) registers.. so .. let's

say.. I set my freezer to below zero.. I have to keep checking to make sure it's

not above zero... I did try making chocolate milk.. and when I first got the

milk a few weeks ago.. it was refreshing.. now this unopen gallon... it left a

bad taste .... I thought it was just me since I am not used to sour milk..

but this 3rd week batch didn't taste so great.

> > >

> > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > >

> > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer

> usable?

> > >

> >

> > Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually. I buy 3 gallons every 2

> weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark. We

> haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years

> we've been drinking raw milk. My refrigerator is pretty cold.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the info Suzanna ! BTW That dish " chenna borji " sounds

spectacular !

> >

> > Hey ! I was wondering..

> >

> > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no longer

usable?

> >

> > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> >

> >

> > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a couple of

hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started again..

and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree (bread proof

oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I finally saw some

chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it because I

waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for so long..?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sharron ! : )I had assumed there would be a specific amount of time ..

I had not taken into consideration the many factors that come to play when

dealing with raw milk. My milk doesn't arrive with a date on it.. and my fridge

is a bit temperamental !

> > >

> > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > >

> > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > >

> >

> > Our (cow's) milk lasts at least 3 weeks usually.  I buy 3 gallons every 2

weeks and sometimes we don't open our last gallon until the 3 week mark.  We

haven't had to put any milk into the baking category for the past couple years

we've been drinking raw milk.  My refrigerator is pretty cold.

>

[Guest guest]

That site had alot of great ideas !! Thank you ! I can't wait to get the book..

!!

> > > >

> > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > >

> > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > > >

> > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > >

> > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

You're not kidding ! Wow !! I just tried the yogurt I made.. and it was

definitely SOUR ! I will definitely try to start over with fresh raw milk ! I

wish I could duplicate Dannon plain yogurt without all of the extras.. !! Pretty

thick yogurt... Seems like they may be using gelatin .. I want to keep yogurt

simple and cost effective..

Why is it that everything bad for you tastes good?

> > > >

> > > > i usually leave my yogurt in my gas oven for up to 24 hours if i don't

need the oven!

> > > > Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey ! I was wondering..

> > > >

> > > > 1- How long you think raw milk can crash in the fridge until it'll no

longer usable?

> > > >

> > > > I've had raw milk in the fridge for about 2 weeks.. one container is

unopen.. (I bought 3 half gallons.. and didn't estimate.. so I had left over..

moreso than I needed.. because I didn't have a thermometer or yogurt cultures to

make it.. I had to wait.. )

> > > >

> > > > 2- I tried making raw milk yogurt.. and it remained soupy after a

couple of hours.. it never set... even in the fridge.. I dumped it.. and started

again.. and this time.. I left my yogurt in my on again off again 85 degree

(bread proof oven option) oven from around 8:30am until about 9pm.. and I

finally saw some chunks forming !! I put it in the fridge.. I'm afraid to try it

because I waited so long.. do you think it's still edible after sitting out for

so long..?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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07/04/10 06:35:00

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>

[Guest guest]

I don’t make yoghurt but was just reading on redwood hills site that they add some tapioca to their yoghurt to thicken it.

For fridge temp you can always buy a thermometer and keep it in the fridge to see what your temp settings are.

Milk is alive and constantly changes. also the goat or cow, in lactation they change too. I notice more interesting (shall we say) tastes further along in lactation. My one goat will give less but creamier the further along in lactation. Also I notice slight changes in taste depending on the weather, the goat, where it sits in the fridge (next to other foods?) how many times its been opened. If my buck is in rut sometimes that changes my does milk. Also i’ve never “tasted many of those things, possibly you have a more discerning sense of smell and taste. Milk I drank tonight had a bit of an aftertaste I couldn’t figure out. Still went down great. And satisfying but then remembered that was milk not for sale as it might have gotten a few drops of rain in it. but it was last nights milk.

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Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:50:10 -0000

To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Subject: Re: Two Raw Milk Expiration Questions

You're not kidding ! Wow !! I just tried the yogurt I made.. and it was definitely SOUR ! I will definitely try to start over with fresh raw milk ! I wish I could duplicate Dannon plain yogurt without all of the extras.. !! Pretty thick yogurt... Seems like they may be using gelatin .. I want to keep yogurt simple and cost effective..

Why is it that everything bad for you tastes good?