Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not everything works for everyone, but I do think if you're going to chelate then Cutler's protocol is the safest as it uses the lowest dose and has the science of half-life behind it, meaning less redistribution of metals in the body/brain. Cutler himself says that chelation only works for 75% of autistic children and that the other 25% need to try something else. Those are pretty good odds. You can normally tell if it's going to make a difference within 10 rounds and it's very inexpensive using over the counter supplements. For my two children, myself and my husband it's been amazing. For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems.To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:35:54 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes, they did do everything correctly > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between the two: > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > From: Mum231ASD@... > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > better............ > > Mandi x > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > rodler14@... writes: > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way > to detox metals. > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild > forms of ASD. > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not everything works for everyone, but I do think if you're going to chelate then Cutler's protocol is the safest as it uses the lowest dose and has the science of half-life behind it, meaning less redistribution of metals in the body/brain. Cutler himself says that chelation only works for 75% of autistic children and that the other 25% need to try something else. Those are pretty good odds. You can normally tell if it's going to make a difference within 10 rounds and it's very inexpensive using over the counter supplements. For my two children, myself and my husband it's been amazing. For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems.To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:35:54 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes, they did do everything correctly > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between the two: > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > From: Mum231ASD@... > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > better............ > > Mandi x > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > rodler14@... writes: > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way > to detox metals. > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild > forms of ASD. > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not everything works for everyone, but I do think if you're going to chelate then Cutler's protocol is the safest as it uses the lowest dose and has the science of half-life behind it, meaning less redistribution of metals in the body/brain. Cutler himself says that chelation only works for 75% of autistic children and that the other 25% need to try something else. Those are pretty good odds. You can normally tell if it's going to make a difference within 10 rounds and it's very inexpensive using over the counter supplements. For my two children, myself and my husband it's been amazing. For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems.To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:35:54 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes, they did do everything correctly > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between the two: > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > From: Mum231ASD@... > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > better............ > > Mandi x > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > rodler14@... writes: > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way > to detox metals. > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild > forms of ASD. > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here are a couple of posts from Andy which explains better what I paraphrased belowhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/85747.htmlhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/195046.htmlTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:50 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! "For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems." There is so much wrong with that statment on every possible level, I would not even know where to start dissecting it LOL so won't go there Is that really what he is saying ?? Natasa > > > > > > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between > > the two: > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > > > > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: Mum231ASD@ > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > weekend who > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid > > worse not > > > better............ > > > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. > > They > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and > > controlled way > > > to detox metals. > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have > > only mild > > > forms of ASD. > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here are a couple of posts from Andy which explains better what I paraphrased belowhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/85747.htmlhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/195046.htmlTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:50 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! "For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems." There is so much wrong with that statment on every possible level, I would not even know where to start dissecting it LOL so won't go there Is that really what he is saying ?? Natasa > > > > > > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between > > the two: > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > > > > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: Mum231ASD@ > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > weekend who > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid > > worse not > > > better............ > > > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. > > They > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and > > controlled way > > > to detox metals. > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have > > only mild > > > forms of ASD. > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here are a couple of posts from Andy which explains better what I paraphrased belowhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/85747.htmlhttp://onibasu.com/archives/am/195046.htmlTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: neno@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:50 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! "For info, he believes that almost all autistic children are vaccine damaged, but only 75% are mercury poisoned and the other 25% probably have immune system damage which leads to other health problems." There is so much wrong with that statment on every possible level, I would not even know where to start dissecting it LOL so won't go there Is that really what he is saying ?? Natasa > > > > > > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between > > the two: > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > > > > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: Mum231ASD@ > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > weekend who > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid > > worse not > > > better............ > > > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. > > They > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and > > controlled way > > > to detox metals. > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have > > only mild > > > forms of ASD. > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 natasa, what the signs of regression were? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 2:01:29 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Chelation even AC chelation can IMO increase adrenal stress and/or yeast, also some of the supporting supps such as Vit C and Milk thistle can be very problematic for those with Oxalate issues, and which has been said here chelation may not help around 25% of our kids, there is also likely to be a stall period, but if you choose to chelate, IMO Andy Cutler low frequent dosing is by far the safest protocol rather than random Dan methods.Kenny> >> >> > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> the two:> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > >> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: Mum231ASD@> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> weekend who> > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> worse not> > better............ > >> > Mandi x> >> >> > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > rodler14@ writes:> >> >> > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> They> > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> controlled way> > to detox metals.> > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> only mild> > forms of ASD.> > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 natasa, what the signs of regression were? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 2:01:29 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Chelation even AC chelation can IMO increase adrenal stress and/or yeast, also some of the supporting supps such as Vit C and Milk thistle can be very problematic for those with Oxalate issues, and which has been said here chelation may not help around 25% of our kids, there is also likely to be a stall period, but if you choose to chelate, IMO Andy Cutler low frequent dosing is by far the safest protocol rather than random Dan methods.Kenny> >> >> > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> the two:> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > >> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: Mum231ASD@> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> weekend who> > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> worse not> > better............ > >> > Mandi x> >> >> > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > rodler14@ writes:> >> >> > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> They> > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> controlled way> > to detox metals.> > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> only mild> > forms of ASD.> > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 natasa, what the signs of regression were? To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 2:01:29 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Chelation even AC chelation can IMO increase adrenal stress and/or yeast, also some of the supporting supps such as Vit C and Milk thistle can be very problematic for those with Oxalate issues, and which has been said here chelation may not help around 25% of our kids, there is also likely to be a stall period, but if you choose to chelate, IMO Andy Cutler low frequent dosing is by far the safest protocol rather than random Dan methods.Kenny> >> >> > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> the two:> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > >> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: Mum231ASD@> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> weekend who> > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> worse not> > better............ > >> > Mandi x> >> >> > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > rodler14@ writes:> >> >> > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> They> > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> controlled way> > to detox metals.> > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> only mild> > forms of ASD.> > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Thanks everyone for your replies! To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:27:00 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! I would agree, I would not have risked chelation for my son if it was not for AC protocol, it's not like a car just because it's cheaper does not make it inferior.It's probably because it can be done without a doc and without RX is why many docs won't go with it.Kenny> >> > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > > better............ > > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > rodler14@ writes:> > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way to > > detox metals.> > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have enough money for > > expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild forms of ASD. > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. Please tell me > > what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Yes i second what Kirsty says, speaking from experience of treating my son with low dose AC chelation and seeing really great gains rather than some of the DAN protocol which cause more problems for the child, AC chelation protocol is well documented and used (successfully) by many and believe it or not you actually get used to the night dosing and when you see improvements with your child you really don't mind waking up frequently to dose your child through the night, out of all the therapies i have done or are doing, this IMHO is the most important. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: greenkirsty1@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:48:13 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! The support that is given on the recoveryfromautism yahoo group help you work out from your childs symptoms during chelation whether they are suffering adrenal stress etc etcIn my honest opinion, alot of people do not do AC as they do not want to wake up every 3 hours through the night.To get mercury out of my son, i would wake up whenever i needed to , tired or not. Purely because he deserves the safest treatment. Our kids are sensitive and need to be treated so.Kirstyx-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , Orange Apple wrote:>> So I guess the trick with ACP is that a mother has to deside what is happening > to her child. And having no a medical background, no tests available > immediately, this is the challenge.> > Â > > > > ________________________________> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:12:15 PM> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > Â > Definitely it can increase adrenal stress. Thiol problems can also result for > some people depending on their chelator.> > Anita> > > > > >> > > >> > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> > > the two:> > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > > > > > >> > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> > > weekend who> > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> > > worse not> > > > better............ > > > >> > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > >> > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > > rodler14@ writes:> > > >> > > >> > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> > > They> > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > controlled way> > > > to detox metals.> > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> > > only mild> > > > forms of ASD.> > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Yes i second what Kirsty says, speaking from experience of treating my son with low dose AC chelation and seeing really great gains rather than some of the DAN protocol which cause more problems for the child, AC chelation protocol is well documented and used (successfully) by many and believe it or not you actually get used to the night dosing and when you see improvements with your child you really don't mind waking up frequently to dose your child through the night, out of all the therapies i have done or are doing, this IMHO is the most important. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: greenkirsty1@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:48:13 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! The support that is given on the recoveryfromautism yahoo group help you work out from your childs symptoms during chelation whether they are suffering adrenal stress etc etcIn my honest opinion, alot of people do not do AC as they do not want to wake up every 3 hours through the night.To get mercury out of my son, i would wake up whenever i needed to , tired or not. Purely because he deserves the safest treatment. Our kids are sensitive and need to be treated so.Kirstyx-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , Orange Apple wrote:>> So I guess the trick with ACP is that a mother has to deside what is happening > to her child. And having no a medical background, no tests available > immediately, this is the challenge.> > Â > > > > ________________________________> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:12:15 PM> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > Â > Definitely it can increase adrenal stress. Thiol problems can also result for > some people depending on their chelator.> > Anita> > > > > >> > > >> > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> > > the two:> > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > > > > > >> > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> > > weekend who> > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> > > worse not> > > > better............ > > > >> > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > >> > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > > rodler14@ writes:> > > >> > > >> > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> > > They> > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > controlled way> > > > to detox metals.> > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> > > only mild> > > > forms of ASD.> > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Yes i second what Kirsty says, speaking from experience of treating my son with low dose AC chelation and seeing really great gains rather than some of the DAN protocol which cause more problems for the child, AC chelation protocol is well documented and used (successfully) by many and believe it or not you actually get used to the night dosing and when you see improvements with your child you really don't mind waking up frequently to dose your child through the night, out of all the therapies i have done or are doing, this IMHO is the most important. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: greenkirsty1@...Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:48:13 +0000Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! The support that is given on the recoveryfromautism yahoo group help you work out from your childs symptoms during chelation whether they are suffering adrenal stress etc etcIn my honest opinion, alot of people do not do AC as they do not want to wake up every 3 hours through the night.To get mercury out of my son, i would wake up whenever i needed to , tired or not. Purely because he deserves the safest treatment. Our kids are sensitive and need to be treated so.Kirstyx-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , Orange Apple wrote:>> So I guess the trick with ACP is that a mother has to deside what is happening > to her child. And having no a medical background, no tests available > immediately, this is the challenge.> > Â > > > > ________________________________> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:12:15 PM> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > Â > Definitely it can increase adrenal stress. Thiol problems can also result for > some people depending on their chelator.> > Anita> > > > > >> > > >> > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> > > the two:> > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > > > > > >> > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> > > weekend who> > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> > > worse not> > > > better............ > > > >> > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > >> > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > > rodler14@ writes:> > > >> > > >> > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> > > They> > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > controlled way> > > > to detox metals.> > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> > > only mild> > > > forms of ASD.> > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Are they on list so we can learn more? Mx I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes,they did do everything correctly>>> I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and onlyseeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautismyahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed followinghigh dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless ofincome!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences betweenthe two:> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this pastweekend who> have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kidworse not> better............ >> Mandi x>>> >>> I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.They> recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe andcontrolled way> to detox metals.> Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children haveonly mild> forms of ASD.> What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Are they on list so we can learn more? Mx I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes,they did do everything correctly>>> I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and onlyseeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautismyahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed followinghigh dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless ofincome!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences betweenthe two:> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this pastweekend who> have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kidworse not> better............ >> Mandi x>>> >>> I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.They> recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe andcontrolled way> to detox metals.> Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children haveonly mild> forms of ASD.> What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 No different than using DAN protocol................ Mx So I guess the trick with ACP is that a mother has to deside what is happening to her child. And having no a medical background, no tests available immediately, this is the challenge. To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:12:15 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Definitely it can increase adrenal stress. Thiol problems can also result for some people depending on their chelator.Anita> > >> > >> > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> > the two:> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > > > >> > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> > weekend who> > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> > worse not> > > better............ > > >> > > Mandi x> > >> > >> > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > rodler14@ writes:> > >> > >> > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> > They> > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > controlled way> > > to detox metals.> > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> > only mild> > > forms of ASD.> > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 No different than using DAN protocol................ Mx So I guess the trick with ACP is that a mother has to deside what is happening to her child. And having no a medical background, no tests available immediately, this is the challenge. To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:12:15 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Definitely it can increase adrenal stress. Thiol problems can also result for some people depending on their chelator.Anita> > >> > >> > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and only> > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautism> > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed following> > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless of> > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences between> > the two:> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> > > > > >> > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past> > weekend who> > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid> > worse not> > > better............ > > >> > > Mandi x> > >> > >> > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > rodler14@ writes:> > >> > >> > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.> > They> > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > controlled way> > > to detox metals.> > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have> > only mild> > > forms of ASD.> > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 What do you suggest then for safe heavy metal removal? TIA Mx I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes,they did do everything correctly>>> I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and onlyseeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautismyahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed followinghigh dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless ofincome!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences betweenthe two:> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this pastweekend who> have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kidworse not> better............ >> Mandi x>>> >>> I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.They> recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe andcontrolled way> to detox metals.> Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children haveonly mild> forms of ASD.> What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 What do you suggest then for safe heavy metal removal? TIA Mx I know of several kids who have regressed on AC protocol... and Yes,they did do everything correctly>>> I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and onlyseeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and Recoveryfromautismyahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed followinghigh dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol (regardless ofincome!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences betweenthe two:> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html> >> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is> nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this pastweekend who> have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kidworse not> better............ >> Mandi x>>> >>> I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a> roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back.They> recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe andcontrolled way> to detox metals.> Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children haveonly mild> forms of ASD.> What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision.> Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Hi Marijana, does your DAN nutritionist monitor all health status before and during chelation? Thanks, To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:23:29 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Hi Nina,E-mailed you off-line.Marijana> > > > >> > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > > > > > > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > > > > > > > > better............ > > > > > > > > > > Mandi x> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > > > > rodler14@ writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > > > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way > > > >to > > > >> > > > > detox metals.> > > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have enough money for > > > > > expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild forms of ASD. > > > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. Please tell me > > > > > what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Hi Marijana, does your DAN nutritionist monitor all health status before and during chelation? Thanks, To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:23:29 PMSubject: Re: Cutler or DAN! Hi Nina,E-mailed you off-line.Marijana> > > > >> > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO. There is > > > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past weekend who > > > > > > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their kid worse not > > > > > > > > better............ > > > > > > > > > > Mandi x> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time, > > > > > rodler14@ writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN! chelation is a > > > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime back. They > > > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and controlled way > > > >to > > > >> > > > > detox metals.> > > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have enough money for > > > > > expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children have only mild forms of ASD. > > > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. Please tell me > > > > > what you guys think? I need your advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Hi Joanne and others,We are seeing Dr. Culp and his opinion is that there is no point doing chelation if you don't heal the gut first and enhance the body's detoxification system. If not, you will have to continue chelation forever. As our son is doing quite well, we have decided to wait and see. This does not mean we are not doing anything about the mercury toxicity. We are using Tyler Recancostat Powder from Integrative Therapeutics which contains combination of reduced glutathione (GSH), anthocyanins, and l-cysteine. This is meant to detoxify the body. We give him half a tea spoon of the powder twice a day with his milk. We are also following a strict SCD diet. His bowel movements have improved tremendously after that and he actually passes motion at least twice daily. We make our own yoghurt and give him organic almond milk which we also make ourselves. Initially I thought it would be too much but as we began to see the improvements, we rather enjoy it. We have adopted the diet ourselves even though my wife and I do go out and treat ourselves to what is considered " normal food " for other people in a restaurant sometimes while the kids are at school. Cheers,Adam Dilip If not a dissection, then perhaps just a few snips? A quick summary of what you disagree with? (then maybe we won't need to stay sober when we next meet up, lol)I find Cutler's theory quite plausible (unlike you, though, I don't have a scientific brain!), and in fact I've done 14 rounds of AC chelation with my son. But what I find a bit worrying is the tendency towards an unquestioning acceptance of his views on autism which I've seen amongst some people. He seems almost to be turning into a cult figure. On some forums (not this one, I hasten to add) I've even noticed that a number of people have adopted his, erm, rather direct manner of speaking. With all the uncertainty and confusion surrounding our children's condition, a person who speaks with authority can command a lot of attention and respect. It can be very reassuring to hear someone who is clearly very intelligent and well-educated expounding his views with so much conviction. I know from my own experience how alluring this can be - I wasted a couple of years following the advice of a practitioner who was very assertive and self-confident, but in the end didn't help my son all that much. I'm not saying that practitioners shouldn't be confident of their opinions, but their theories need to be subjected to scrutiny and healthy debate. That's why I'd be really interested to know what you think, Natasa, and why you don't appear to subscribe to the AC chelation / mercury causes autism theory. Joanne> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and > > only> > > >> > > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and> Recoveryfromautism> > > >> > > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed > > > following> > > >> > > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol> (regardless> > of> > > >> > > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences > > between> > > >> > > > the two:> > > >> > > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > >> > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > >> > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO.> There> > is> > > >> > > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > > >> > > > weekend who> > > >> > > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their> kid> > > >> > > > worse not > > > >> > > > > better............ > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > >> > > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN!> chelation > > is> > > a> > > >> > > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime> > > back.> > > >> > > > They > > > >> > > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > >> > > > controlled way> > > >> > > > > to detox metals. > > > >> > > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > >> > > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children > > have> > > >> > > > only mild> > > >> > > > > forms of ASD.> > > >> > > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > >> > > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Hi Joanne and others,We are seeing Dr. Culp and his opinion is that there is no point doing chelation if you don't heal the gut first and enhance the body's detoxification system. If not, you will have to continue chelation forever. As our son is doing quite well, we have decided to wait and see. This does not mean we are not doing anything about the mercury toxicity. We are using Tyler Recancostat Powder from Integrative Therapeutics which contains combination of reduced glutathione (GSH), anthocyanins, and l-cysteine. This is meant to detoxify the body. We give him half a tea spoon of the powder twice a day with his milk. We are also following a strict SCD diet. His bowel movements have improved tremendously after that and he actually passes motion at least twice daily. We make our own yoghurt and give him organic almond milk which we also make ourselves. Initially I thought it would be too much but as we began to see the improvements, we rather enjoy it. We have adopted the diet ourselves even though my wife and I do go out and treat ourselves to what is considered " normal food " for other people in a restaurant sometimes while the kids are at school. Cheers,Adam Dilip If not a dissection, then perhaps just a few snips? A quick summary of what you disagree with? (then maybe we won't need to stay sober when we next meet up, lol)I find Cutler's theory quite plausible (unlike you, though, I don't have a scientific brain!), and in fact I've done 14 rounds of AC chelation with my son. But what I find a bit worrying is the tendency towards an unquestioning acceptance of his views on autism which I've seen amongst some people. He seems almost to be turning into a cult figure. On some forums (not this one, I hasten to add) I've even noticed that a number of people have adopted his, erm, rather direct manner of speaking. With all the uncertainty and confusion surrounding our children's condition, a person who speaks with authority can command a lot of attention and respect. It can be very reassuring to hear someone who is clearly very intelligent and well-educated expounding his views with so much conviction. I know from my own experience how alluring this can be - I wasted a couple of years following the advice of a practitioner who was very assertive and self-confident, but in the end didn't help my son all that much. I'm not saying that practitioners shouldn't be confident of their opinions, but their theories need to be subjected to scrutiny and healthy debate. That's why I'd be really interested to know what you think, Natasa, and why you don't appear to subscribe to the AC chelation / mercury causes autism theory. Joanne> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and > > only> > > >> > > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and> Recoveryfromautism> > > >> > > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed > > > following> > > >> > > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol> (regardless> > of> > > >> > > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences > > between> > > >> > > > the two:> > > >> > > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > >> > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > >> > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO.> There> > is> > > >> > > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > > >> > > > weekend who> > > >> > > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their> kid> > > >> > > > worse not > > > >> > > > > better............ > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > >> > > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN!> chelation > > is> > > a> > > >> > > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime> > > back.> > > >> > > > They > > > >> > > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > >> > > > controlled way> > > >> > > > > to detox metals. > > > >> > > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > >> > > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children > > have> > > >> > > > only mild> > > >> > > > > forms of ASD.> > > >> > > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > >> > > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Hi Joanne and others,We are seeing Dr. Culp and his opinion is that there is no point doing chelation if you don't heal the gut first and enhance the body's detoxification system. If not, you will have to continue chelation forever. As our son is doing quite well, we have decided to wait and see. This does not mean we are not doing anything about the mercury toxicity. We are using Tyler Recancostat Powder from Integrative Therapeutics which contains combination of reduced glutathione (GSH), anthocyanins, and l-cysteine. This is meant to detoxify the body. We give him half a tea spoon of the powder twice a day with his milk. We are also following a strict SCD diet. His bowel movements have improved tremendously after that and he actually passes motion at least twice daily. We make our own yoghurt and give him organic almond milk which we also make ourselves. Initially I thought it would be too much but as we began to see the improvements, we rather enjoy it. We have adopted the diet ourselves even though my wife and I do go out and treat ourselves to what is considered " normal food " for other people in a restaurant sometimes while the kids are at school. Cheers,Adam Dilip If not a dissection, then perhaps just a few snips? A quick summary of what you disagree with? (then maybe we won't need to stay sober when we next meet up, lol)I find Cutler's theory quite plausible (unlike you, though, I don't have a scientific brain!), and in fact I've done 14 rounds of AC chelation with my son. But what I find a bit worrying is the tendency towards an unquestioning acceptance of his views on autism which I've seen amongst some people. He seems almost to be turning into a cult figure. On some forums (not this one, I hasten to add) I've even noticed that a number of people have adopted his, erm, rather direct manner of speaking. With all the uncertainty and confusion surrounding our children's condition, a person who speaks with authority can command a lot of attention and respect. It can be very reassuring to hear someone who is clearly very intelligent and well-educated expounding his views with so much conviction. I know from my own experience how alluring this can be - I wasted a couple of years following the advice of a practitioner who was very assertive and self-confident, but in the end didn't help my son all that much. I'm not saying that practitioners shouldn't be confident of their opinions, but their theories need to be subjected to scrutiny and healthy debate. That's why I'd be really interested to know what you think, Natasa, and why you don't appear to subscribe to the AC chelation / mercury causes autism theory. Joanne> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I agree with Mandi, we are doing Cutler protocol chelation and > > only> > > >> > > > seeing good things. Both the Autism Mercury and> Recoveryfromautism> > > >> > > > yahoo groups are full of people whose children have regressed > > > following> > > >> > > > high dose chelation and are now doing Cutler's protocol> (regardless> > of> > > >> > > > income!) Here is a good post from Andy about the differences > > between> > > >> > > > the two:> > > >> > > > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53055.html > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > >> > > > > From: Mum231ASD@> > > >> > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:22:34 -0500> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Cutler or DAN! > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cutler protocol is safest and most efficient IMHO and IMEO.> There> > is> > > >> > > > > nothing quick about chelation. I learned of 2 families this past > > > >> > > > weekend who> > > >> > > > > have each spent over $50,000 on IV chelation just to get their> kid> > > >> > > > worse not > > > >> > > > > better............ > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Mandi x> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In a message dated 16/11/2010 14:15:44 GMT Standard Time,> > > >> > > > > rodler14@ writes: > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I've been reading a lot, some people say that IV DAN!> chelation > > is> > > a> > > >> > > > > roulette, you can damage your child's brain and never get hime> > > back.> > > >> > > > They > > > >> > > > > recomend Andy Cutler oral chelation protocol as most safe and> > > >> > > > controlled way> > > >> > > > > to detox metals. > > > >> > > > > Others say that AC protocol is for those who do not have> > > >> > > > > enough money for expensive DAN! treatment, or whose children > > have> > > >> > > > only mild> > > >> > > > > forms of ASD.> > > >> > > > > What the truth is? I am affraid to make a wrong decision. > > > >> > > > > Please tell me what you guys think? I need your advice!> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 But does he still suggest challenge tests every 4 months?? Given what he said at P2P and later what exactly is his chelation protocol, does anybody know? Mx We are seeing Dr. Culp and his opinion is that there is no point doing chelation if you don't heal the gut first and enhance the body's detoxification system. If not, you will have to continue chelation forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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