Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-156.html LactoferrinLactoferrin, a natural component of cow and human milk, is a subfraction of whey with well-documented antiviral, antimicrobial, anticancer, and immune modulating and enhancing effects. However, lactoferrin's best-known role is as an iron-binding protein. Lactoferrin acts as an antioxidant, scavenging free iron and helping to prevent uncontrolled iron-based free radical reactions. Interestingly, although lactoferrin is both an iron scavenger and donor (depending on the cellular environment), it has been found to scavenge or donate iron appropriately depending on what the body needs at any given time. At normal physiological pH, lactoferrin binds tightly to iron, diminishing oxidative stress to tissues (Brink 2000). Stella et al. (1995) examined the role of whey proteins, multifermented whey proteins, and lactoferrin in oxidative stress and made this bold statement: "We can conclude that whey protein, lactoferrin and multifermented whey are good candidates as dietary inhibitors of oxidative stress and should be considered as potential medicinal foods in various pathologies as HIV infection and cancer." http://www.healthyfellow.com/309/lactoferrin-and-anemia/ Fortunately, there is a scientifically validated alternative for those who cannot manage traditional iron replacement – a little known supplement called lactoferrin. Lactoferrin is a glycoprotein (a molecule that contains a carbohydrate and a protein) that is normally found in breast milk. Any baby who has been breast fed has already “supplemented” with and benefited from lactoferrin. It is relevant in the battle against anemia because it appears to improve iron absorption from food and helps transport this essential mineral to wherever it’s needed. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:33:23 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Ice cubes obsession AC does not recommend iron for Hg toxic kids, I think its a mineral transport problem, there is a supp they says to give but I have forgotten, maybe check on A-M? I am thinking Lactoferrin for some reason, google to see if that removes excess iron, sounds backwards for the issue but will make sense Mandi x I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia.Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids?Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success.Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation.Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this.Any help would be gratefully receivedkirstyx>> > Hi Kirsty> > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this?> > x > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000> Subject: Ice cubes obsession> > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes.> Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?!> Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual> Kirsty> X> > Sent from my iPhone> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 maybe he just likes ice? My kid has always loved ice as did i when i was a kid. particulary ice cream. > > I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia. > Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids? > Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success. > Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation. > Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this. > Any help would be gratefully received > > kirsty > x > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kirsty > > > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > > > x > > > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: greenkirsty1@ > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual > > Kirsty > > X > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 We had this for around a year. I can remember being in Florida and having to stop of regularly to buy bags of ice! With my son I think it was thirst and sensory! He has real oral sensory issues. He would chew ice through a cloth. I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia. Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids? Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success. Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation. Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this. Any help would be gratefully received kirsty x > > > Hi Kirsty > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > x > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > From: greenkirsty1@... > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual > Kirsty > X > > Sent from my iPhone > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Kirsty Joe was exactly the same craving ice cubes a few weeks into starting enhansa -(which chelates iron)supplemented with iron and it resolved in a week or so. it creeps back in exactly at times when ive missed iron supp for a few days. HTH claire > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again > > > like usual > > > Kirsty > > > X > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Kirsty Joe was exactly the same craving ice cubes a few weeks into starting enhansa -(which chelates iron)supplemented with iron and it resolved in a week or so. it creeps back in exactly at times when ive missed iron supp for a few days. HTH claire > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again > > > like usual > > > Kirsty > > > X > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Kirsty Joe was exactly the same craving ice cubes a few weeks into starting enhansa -(which chelates iron)supplemented with iron and it resolved in a week or so. it creeps back in exactly at times when ive missed iron supp for a few days. HTH claire > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again > > > like usual > > > Kirsty > > > X > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I am bearing that in mind! We always look for reasons with our kids don't we, and sometimes things just are! It's just because it has come out of nowhere and he has suddenyl got obsessed and Sam never gets like this about things. Kirsty x > > > > I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia. > > Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids? > > Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success. > > Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation. > > Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this. > > Any help would be gratefully received > > > > kirsty > > x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kirsty > > > > > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > x > > > > > > > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > > From: greenkirsty1@ > > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > > > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual > > > Kirsty > > > X > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw which is prob nothing, Sara x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw which is prob nothing, Sara x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw which is prob nothing, Sara x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 this is probably no more helpful than mandi's but I had big craving for ice and ice water during delivery - don't mean just like sucking on ice cube as in 'manuals' on giving birth, but ice-madness downing untold litres of water packed with ice cubes. I also had a fever and felt really crap during the whole time. Natasa > > > > I am having same cravings its 81 degrees here............... > > > > Mandi from Tampa over and melt > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2010 19:06:11 GMT Standard Time, > > michelle0471@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kirsty > > > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think > > pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > > > x > > > > ____________________________________ > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: greenkirsty1@ > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like > > usual > > Kirsty > > X > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 this is probably no more helpful than mandi's but I had big craving for ice and ice water during delivery - don't mean just like sucking on ice cube as in 'manuals' on giving birth, but ice-madness downing untold litres of water packed with ice cubes. I also had a fever and felt really crap during the whole time. Natasa > > > > I am having same cravings its 81 degrees here............... > > > > Mandi from Tampa over and melt > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2010 19:06:11 GMT Standard Time, > > michelle0471@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kirsty > > > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think > > pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > > > x > > > > ____________________________________ > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: greenkirsty1@ > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like > > usual > > Kirsty > > X > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 this is probably no more helpful than mandi's but I had big craving for ice and ice water during delivery - don't mean just like sucking on ice cube as in 'manuals' on giving birth, but ice-madness downing untold litres of water packed with ice cubes. I also had a fever and felt really crap during the whole time. Natasa > > > > I am having same cravings its 81 degrees here............... > > > > Mandi from Tampa over and melt > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2010 19:06:11 GMT Standard Time, > > michelle0471@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kirsty > > > > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think > > pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this? > > > > x > > > > ____________________________________ > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > > From: greenkirsty1@ > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 > > Subject: Ice cubes obsession > > > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes. > > Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?! > > Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like > > usual > > Kirsty > > X > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Sara, You're going to be in trouble. Did you just state just my opinion, FWIW, probably nothing???!! You say that again and i'll be down to slap you !!!!! He always has water to hand. He almost seems to be doing it for fun. He has been at my mums all day today and only gone for the ice this morning. I'm not going to supplement iron as doing AC and he does not recommend, so the slow cooker is coming out the cupboard, just bought a load of organic beef (he won't touch liver with a barge pole), am upping his zinc slightly and waiting to see what occurs next. Thanks all for input. Hopefully it will go soon! Kirsty x > > My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning > throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. > If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes > zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw > which is prob nothing, > Sara x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Sara, You're going to be in trouble. Did you just state just my opinion, FWIW, probably nothing???!! You say that again and i'll be down to slap you !!!!! He always has water to hand. He almost seems to be doing it for fun. He has been at my mums all day today and only gone for the ice this morning. I'm not going to supplement iron as doing AC and he does not recommend, so the slow cooker is coming out the cupboard, just bought a load of organic beef (he won't touch liver with a barge pole), am upping his zinc slightly and waiting to see what occurs next. Thanks all for input. Hopefully it will go soon! Kirsty x > > My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning > throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. > If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes > zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw > which is prob nothing, > Sara x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Sara, You're going to be in trouble. Did you just state just my opinion, FWIW, probably nothing???!! You say that again and i'll be down to slap you !!!!! He always has water to hand. He almost seems to be doing it for fun. He has been at my mums all day today and only gone for the ice this morning. I'm not going to supplement iron as doing AC and he does not recommend, so the slow cooker is coming out the cupboard, just bought a load of organic beef (he won't touch liver with a barge pole), am upping his zinc slightly and waiting to see what occurs next. Thanks all for input. Hopefully it will go soon! Kirsty x > > My first instinct when I read this was 'reflux' some sort of burning > throat. Kids with reflux often crave water or ice, I've read. > If it's PICA. Tom's goes when he eats a lot of liver (he already takes > zinc and we can't get him on iron) but my instinct says reflux fwiw > which is prob nothing, > Sara x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here's a good article on iron supplementshttp://www.healthy.net/scr/column.aspx?Id=68To: autism-biomedical-europe From: michelle0471@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:49:31 +0000Subject: RE: Re: Ice cubes obsession http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-156.html LactoferrinLactoferrin, a natural component of cow and human milk, is a subfraction of whey with well-documented antiviral, antimicrobial, anticancer, and immune modulating and enhancing effects. However, lactoferrin's best-known role is as an iron-binding protein. Lactoferrin acts as an antioxidant, scavenging free iron and helping to prevent uncontrolled iron-based free radical reactions. Interestingly, although lactoferrin is both an iron scavenger and donor (depending on the cellular environment), it has been found to scavenge or donate iron appropriately depending on what the body needs at any given time. At normal physiological pH, lactoferrin binds tightly to iron, diminishing oxidative stress to tissues (Brink 2000). Stella et al. (1995) examined the role of whey proteins, multifermented whey proteins, and lactoferrin in oxidative stress and made this bold statement: "We can conclude that whey protein, lactoferrin and multifermented whey are good candidates as dietary inhibitors of oxidative stress and should be considered as potential medicinal foods in various pathologies as HIV infection and cancer." http://www.healthyfellow.com/309/lactoferrin-and-anemia/ Fortunately, there is a scientifically validated alternative for those who cannot manage traditional iron replacement – a little known supplement called lactoferrin. Lactoferrin is a glycoprotein (a molecule that contains a carbohydrate and a protein) that is normally found in breast milk. Any baby who has been breast fed has already “supplemented” with and benefited from lactoferrin. It is relevant in the battle against anemia because it appears to improve iron absorption from food and helps transport this essential mineral to wherever it’s needed. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:33:23 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Ice cubes obsession AC does not recommend iron for Hg toxic kids, I think its a mineral transport problem, there is a supp they says to give but I have forgotten, maybe check on A-M? I am thinking Lactoferrin for some reason, google to see if that removes excess iron, sounds backwards for the issue but will make sense Mandi x I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia.Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids?Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success.Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation.Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this.Any help would be gratefully receivedkirstyx>> > Hi Kirsty> > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this?> > x > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000> Subject: Ice cubes obsession> > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes.> Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?!> Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual> Kirsty> X> > Sent from my iPhone> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here's a good article on iron supplementshttp://www.healthy.net/scr/column.aspx?Id=68To: autism-biomedical-europe From: michelle0471@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:49:31 +0000Subject: RE: Re: Ice cubes obsession http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-156.html LactoferrinLactoferrin, a natural component of cow and human milk, is a subfraction of whey with well-documented antiviral, antimicrobial, anticancer, and immune modulating and enhancing effects. However, lactoferrin's best-known role is as an iron-binding protein. Lactoferrin acts as an antioxidant, scavenging free iron and helping to prevent uncontrolled iron-based free radical reactions. Interestingly, although lactoferrin is both an iron scavenger and donor (depending on the cellular environment), it has been found to scavenge or donate iron appropriately depending on what the body needs at any given time. At normal physiological pH, lactoferrin binds tightly to iron, diminishing oxidative stress to tissues (Brink 2000). Stella et al. (1995) examined the role of whey proteins, multifermented whey proteins, and lactoferrin in oxidative stress and made this bold statement: "We can conclude that whey protein, lactoferrin and multifermented whey are good candidates as dietary inhibitors of oxidative stress and should be considered as potential medicinal foods in various pathologies as HIV infection and cancer." http://www.healthyfellow.com/309/lactoferrin-and-anemia/ Fortunately, there is a scientifically validated alternative for those who cannot manage traditional iron replacement – a little known supplement called lactoferrin. Lactoferrin is a glycoprotein (a molecule that contains a carbohydrate and a protein) that is normally found in breast milk. Any baby who has been breast fed has already “supplemented” with and benefited from lactoferrin. It is relevant in the battle against anemia because it appears to improve iron absorption from food and helps transport this essential mineral to wherever it’s needed. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:33:23 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Ice cubes obsession AC does not recommend iron for Hg toxic kids, I think its a mineral transport problem, there is a supp they says to give but I have forgotten, maybe check on A-M? I am thinking Lactoferrin for some reason, google to see if that removes excess iron, sounds backwards for the issue but will make sense Mandi x I have read all the links you have sent me michelle on ZpICA and that with ice it is iron anemia.Does anyone know what form of iron is best for our kids?Sam eats red meat but will not eat liver or green veg. Have tried disguising liver mxny times in various dishes to no success.Sam was not anemic at his blood tests done about 6-9 months ago before we started chelation.Sam is supplemented zinc three times a day also so don't think it can be this.Any help would be gratefully receivedkirstyx>> > Hi Kirsty> > Could it be pica, i have read that some kids who have pica eat ice? Think pica means low iron, can anyone confirm this?> > x > > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000> Subject: Ice cubes obsession> > > > > > > Sam at te moment is obsessed with eating ice cubes.> Anyone know if this means anything or am I just looking too much into it?!> Nothing wrong with his teeth or mouth just saying stomach ache again like usual> Kirsty> X> > Sent from my iPhone> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 > maybe he just likes ice? My kid has always loved ice as did i when i was a kid. particularly ice cream. ** Could he be trying to ease a painful mouth? i happen to avoid cold items and find ice cubes difficult to tolerate up until recently (6 years post biomed). -- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 > maybe he just likes ice? My kid has always loved ice as did i when i was a kid. particularly ice cream. ** Could he be trying to ease a painful mouth? i happen to avoid cold items and find ice cubes difficult to tolerate up until recently (6 years post biomed). -- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 > maybe he just likes ice? My kid has always loved ice as did i when i was a kid. particularly ice cream. ** Could he be trying to ease a painful mouth? i happen to avoid cold items and find ice cubes difficult to tolerate up until recently (6 years post biomed). -- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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