Re: The most efficient way to firm up a butt.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo, but

> also make it defy gravity.

Ooh, no, I would worry about it hitting me in the back of the head.

>

> I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with the

> most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

>

Aside from the table push-away, of course.

<snip>

> ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

> knock some sense into me?

>

One of the more creative sprinters at my old gym modified a Hammer Strength

leg press in this way. The leg press was a low, seated variety where legs

extended roughly parallel to the floor. He would turn around backwards (so,

facing down and back), stand beside the seat, crouch down, place his

shoulder against the seat like a football player going for a tackle, and

then place one leg on the footplate and extend it out straight behind him.

I had him teach this exercise to me, but every time I did it, I experienced

rather unpleasant back pain. Something about the action of the glute

extension in that position was problematic. So, best of luck with designing

your machine.

Krista -Dixon

Toronto, ON

[Guest guest]

Thanks Krista,

some nice meat in your response once I sussed the visual on that

modified hammer strength leg press.

thinking about your back pain during that exercise, it comes to mind

that you may have been getting too much lateral pelvic tilt which

spilled over into lumbar lateral flexion, and strain on a vulnerable

disc. A solution may have been to stabilize the pelvis in a more

neutral position, by using more glut medius abduction in the working

leg.

alternatively, you may have been anteriorly tilting the pelvis

excessively when extending the hip in outer range, thus allowing

psoas to pull unilaterally on the lumbar spine, causing lumbar

hyperextension and convex lateral flexion.

or then again, there may have been problems with one leg on the leg

press and the other on the floor, thus causing rotational stresses.

anyway, this is all speculative.

In developing the tighter butt dream, I will have to include that a

tight butt is nothing without good pelvic control, which is

contingent on good ab, hams, QL, and abductor strength/tone, and

flexible iliopsoas.

further, I think if my machine exercises each leg alternately, it may

not stir up lumbar spine or SIJ vulnerabilities as easily as doing

multiple single leg reps, as your situation alluded.

cheers

Bruce Gray

physiotherapist

Brisbane, Australia

>

> > Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo,

but

> > also make it defy gravity.

>

>

> Ooh, no, I would worry about it hitting me in the back of the head.

>

> >

> > I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with

the

> > most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

> >

>

>

>

> <snip>

> > ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

> > knock some sense into me?

> >

>

>

> One of the more creative sprinters at my old gym modified a Hammer

Strength

> leg press in this way. The leg press was a low, seated variety

where legs

> extended roughly parallel to the floor. He would turn around

backwards (so,

> facing down and back), stand beside the seat, crouch down, place his

> shoulder against the seat like a football player going for a

tackle, and

> then place one leg on the footplate and extend it out straight

behind him.

> I had him teach this exercise to me, but every time I did it, I

experienced

> rather unpleasant back pain. Something about the action of the glute

> extension in that position was problematic. So, best of luck with

designing

> your machine.

>

>

> Krista -Dixon

> Toronto, ON

[Guest guest]

Well, Bruce - sure I suppose you could put together a new sort of butt

blaster.

Personally I find mine does well using a barbell - squat (PL style) and the

full Deadlift... now if a squatter's bootay and the powerful legs will now

come into style. That's where your real challenge is, Bruce. (reference

recent comments regarding deplorable actual muscular quads! and attempts to

remove them from women). See, a nice bootay comes with power accessories -

a strong lowre back, powerful legs....you really aren't gonna get 1 without

the rest of the package. Factory equipped, so to speak . See it's

muscle...if it's not fat...and some women appear from posters here to be

ALLERGIC to the notion of muscle and strength?

At 42, no apparent signs of anything heading south here...(the bench works

to prevent the chest from sinking into 1's drawers too - Loretta Laroche

(comedian) describes that as " furniture disease " )..

How about marketing to men in a similar fashion by the way - particularly

the ones whose bellies more resemble a round than their kinda insufficient

bootays? <laughing>

Or find a way to make size and strength truly fashionable among women...ok

now THERE's a nice thought .

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA.

Lifting heavy and strong here among the ripped ribcages of emaciation...

PLEASE feed these people....<laughing> they are the epitomy of Krista's

" death sucking on a cracker! "

The most efficient way to firm up a butt.

>Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo, but

>also make it defy gravity.

>

>I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with the

>most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

>

>So the goal is to target glut maximus with overflow into glut med and

>min. I deduce a full ROM ballistic hip extension movement combined

>with abduction is the way to go. i.e. a 100m sprinter coming out of

>the blocks should give a good visual. I also felt it was important to

>ensure hip extension went well into inner range...may as well give

>the iliopsoas a good stretch to facilitate its antagonist.

>

>Abduction of 25 degrees may be all that is necessary to combine with

>the extension vector, as glut med and min are activated whenever one

>extends one hip at a time in a closed kinetic chain.

>

>So thought I would try and make a million bucks and design a machine

>similar but better of course to a stepper tipped forward 35

>degrees so one can just hop on and repeat a movement similar to

>blasting out of a runners block.

>

>ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

>knock some sense into me?

>

>I also understand there is a certain degree of genetics that

>determines how firm a butt and the gluteal fold fascia can be

>tightened. Bummer.....

>

>Cheers

>

>Bruce Gray

>Rehab Exercise Physiotherapist

>Australia

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I considered conventional squat/lifts for the efficiceny in working

all gluts and felt they might be compromised in three areas:

- that they do not go into end ROM hip extension, to the point of

active insufficiency.

- that some but not all movements involve optimum ballistic speed.

- that they will not recruit glut med/min optimally.

- that deconditioned 35+ beginners need to develop core stability

before making significant gains with squats. LBP and sick discs are

ubiquitous out there.

I also take on board that a strong back is essential too. In fact, I

am very much the wholistic type re strength, and much of my exercise

prescription focuses on whole body close kinetic chains including

trunk rotation. Rotation is something many overlook, but has a

pivotal (sorry about the pun) role in building proprioceptive

awareness of the abdominal region as the initiator of much movement.

Nevertheless, I accept that squats certainly have a gravity defying

effect, and toned muscle covering optimised spinal curvature is

functionally and aesthetically desireable.

As for the big quads, bring it on. I would bet in the next 10 years

we are going to see women's fashion and the ideal model somatotype

start to muscle up, and the current stick figure stereotypes are

going to fade away. I say this for a number of reasons which are all

pretty esoteric and debatable:

- in times of economic and social uncertainty which the Western world

has been going through since the 80s, there is a limited period where

mass consciousness seems almost paralysed to know how to move

forwards and deal with the problem. During this period, the frail

vulnerable female image has predominated. When things finally get bad

enough, fear turns to anger and a desire to act. I believe the

collective unconscious has been going through this for some time now,

and September 11 catalysed it further. In this psychic state, people

want to feel and admire power, strength, and a fuller more rounded

substantial body; and the ideal model's body will become more

muscular and rounded. In fact, there was a trend about two years ago

towards models with bigger busts, which fits with the ever rising

popularity of breast implants. I act with a couple of local model

agencies and can confirm there is a growing interest in the cut

female form.

- television shows like Xena Warrior Princess have become popular,

and I think this confirms the growing unconscious trend of women

admiring women who radiate strength.

- all health authorities are pushing the message that women must do

resistance work to minimize calcium loss after 25, and ideally

maintain a reasonable quantity of lean tissue. I think this is

getting through to the elites, and starting to trickle through to the

masses.

- health authorities, and even Bush, recognize health

insurance is going to blow out in the next 20 years, and ultimately,

it is up to the individual to keep oneself healthy.

So, for all these reasons , I congratulate you and your quads

and butt, and suggest you will probably become more a role model to

those of us over 40 in the next decade.

As for men and the 'Microsoft' induced botties, well yup, my machine

will not be a sexist affair. What is good for the goose is good for

the gander. But men seem to be more rightfully focused on ridding

themselves of intra-abdominal fat, which has all these nasty hormone

effects to boot. Nevertheless, that fat comes off quicker when you

work the body's biggest muscles coincidentally which are quads,

gluts, and hams!

Anyway, i must now get off my butt.

Bruce Gray

Rehab Physiotherapist

Brisbane Australia

-------------

> Well, Bruce - sure I suppose you could put together a new sort of butt

> blaster.

>

> Personally I find mine does well using a barbell - squat (PL style) and the

> full Deadlift... now if a squatter's bootay and the powerful legs will now

> come into style. That's where your real challenge is, Bruce.

(reference

> recent comments regarding deplorable actual muscular quads! and

attempts to

> remove them from women). See, a nice bootay comes with power

accessories -

> a strong lowre back, powerful legs....you really aren't gonna get 1

without

> the rest of the package. Factory equipped, so to speak . See

it's

> muscle...if it's not fat...and some women appear from posters here

to be

> ALLERGIC to the notion of muscle and strength?

>

> At 42, no apparent signs of anything heading south here...(the

bench works

> to prevent the chest from sinking into 1's drawers too - Loretta

Laroche

> (comedian) describes that as " furniture disease " )..

>

> How about marketing to men in a similar fashion by the way -

particularly

> the ones whose bellies more resemble a round than their kinda

insufficient

> bootays? <laughing>

>

> Or find a way to make size and strength truly fashionable among

women...ok

> now THERE's a nice thought .

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA.

> Lifting heavy and strong here among the ripped ribcages of

emaciation...

> PLEASE feed these people....<laughing> they are the epitomy of

Krista's

> " death sucking on a cracker! "

-------

From: thefirstbruce <thefirstbruce@y...>

> >Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo, but

> >also make it defy gravity.

> >

> >I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with the

> >most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

> >

> >So the goal is to target glut maximus with overflow into glut med and

> >min. I deduce a full ROM ballistic hip extension movement combined

> >with abduction is the way to go. i.e. a 100m sprinter coming out of

> >the blocks should give a good visual. I also felt it was important to

> >ensure hip extension went well into inner range...may as well give

> >the iliopsoas a good stretch to facilitate its antagonist.

> >

> >Abduction of 25 degrees may be all that is necessary to combine with

> >the extension vector, as glut med and min are activated whenever one

> >extends one hip at a time in a closed kinetic chain.

> >

> >So thought I would try and make a million bucks and design a

machine

> >similar but better of course to a stepper tipped forward 35

> >degrees so one can just hop on and repeat a movement similar to

> >blasting out of a runners block.

> >

> >ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

> >knock some sense into me?

> >

> >I also understand there is a certain degree of genetics that

> >determines how firm a butt and the gluteal fold fascia can be

> >tightened. Bummer.....

> >

> >Cheers

> >

> >Bruce Gray

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of

residence if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I considered conventional squat/lifts for the efficiceny in working

all gluts and felt they might be compromised in three areas:

- that they do not go into end ROM hip extension, to the point of

active insufficiency.

- that some but not all movements involve optimum ballistic speed.

- that they will not recruit glut med/min optimally.

- that deconditioned 35+ beginners need to develop core stability

before making significant gains with squats. LBP and sick discs are

ubiquitous out there.

I also take on board that a strong back is essential too. In fact, I

am very much the wholistic type re strength, and much of my exercise

prescription focuses on whole body close kinetic chains including

trunk rotation. Rotation is something many overlook, but has a

pivotal (sorry about the pun) role in building proprioceptive

awareness of the abdominal region as the initiator of much movement.

Nevertheless, I accept that squats certainly have a gravity defying

effect, and toned muscle covering optimised spinal curvature is

functionally and aesthetically desireable.

As for the big quads, bring it on. I would bet in the next 10 years

we are going to see women's fashion and the ideal model somatotype

start to muscle up, and the current stick figure stereotypes are

going to fade away. I say this for a number of reasons which are all

pretty esoteric and debatable:

- in times of economic and social uncertainty which the Western world

has been going through since the 80s, there is a limited period where

mass consciousness seems almost paralysed to know how to move

forwards and deal with the problem. During this period, the frail

vulnerable female image has predominated. When things finally get bad

enough, fear turns to anger and a desire to act. I believe the

collective unconscious has been going through this for some time now,

and September 11 catalysed it further. In this psychic state, people

want to feel and admire power, strength, and a fuller more rounded

substantial body; and the ideal model's body will become more

muscular and rounded. In fact, there was a trend about two years ago

towards models with bigger busts, which fits with the ever rising

popularity of breast implants. I act with a couple of local model

agencies and can confirm there is a growing interest in the cut

female form.

- television shows like Xena Warrior Princess have become popular,

and I think this confirms the growing unconscious trend of women

admiring women who radiate strength.

- all health authorities are pushing the message that women must do

resistance work to minimize calcium loss after 25, and ideally

maintain a reasonable quantity of lean tissue. I think this is

getting through to the elites, and starting to trickle through to the

masses.

- health authorities, and even Bush, recognize health

insurance is going to blow out in the next 20 years, and ultimately,

it is up to the individual to keep oneself healthy.

So, for all these reasons , I congratulate you and your quads

and butt, and suggest you will probably become more a role model to

those of us over 40 in the next decade.

As for men and the 'Microsoft' induced botties, well yup, my machine

will not be a sexist affair. What is good for the goose is good for

the gander. But men seem to be more rightfully focused on ridding

themselves of intra-abdominal fat, which has all these nasty hormone

effects to boot. Nevertheless, that fat comes off quicker when you

work the body's biggest muscles coincidentally which are quads,

gluts, and hams!

Anyway, i must now get off my butt.

Bruce Gray

Rehab Physiotherapist

Brisbane Australia

-------------

> Well, Bruce - sure I suppose you could put together a new sort of butt

> blaster.

>

> Personally I find mine does well using a barbell - squat (PL style) and the

> full Deadlift... now if a squatter's bootay and the powerful legs will now

> come into style. That's where your real challenge is, Bruce.

(reference

> recent comments regarding deplorable actual muscular quads! and

attempts to

> remove them from women). See, a nice bootay comes with power

accessories -

> a strong lowre back, powerful legs....you really aren't gonna get 1

without

> the rest of the package. Factory equipped, so to speak . See

it's

> muscle...if it's not fat...and some women appear from posters here

to be

> ALLERGIC to the notion of muscle and strength?

>

> At 42, no apparent signs of anything heading south here...(the

bench works

> to prevent the chest from sinking into 1's drawers too - Loretta

Laroche

> (comedian) describes that as " furniture disease " )..

>

> How about marketing to men in a similar fashion by the way -

particularly

> the ones whose bellies more resemble a round than their kinda

insufficient

> bootays? <laughing>

>

> Or find a way to make size and strength truly fashionable among

women...ok

> now THERE's a nice thought .

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA.

> Lifting heavy and strong here among the ripped ribcages of

emaciation...

> PLEASE feed these people....<laughing> they are the epitomy of

Krista's

> " death sucking on a cracker! "

-------

From: thefirstbruce <thefirstbruce@y...>

> >Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo, but

> >also make it defy gravity.

> >

> >I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with the

> >most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

> >

> >So the goal is to target glut maximus with overflow into glut med and

> >min. I deduce a full ROM ballistic hip extension movement combined

> >with abduction is the way to go. i.e. a 100m sprinter coming out of

> >the blocks should give a good visual. I also felt it was important to

> >ensure hip extension went well into inner range...may as well give

> >the iliopsoas a good stretch to facilitate its antagonist.

> >

> >Abduction of 25 degrees may be all that is necessary to combine with

> >the extension vector, as glut med and min are activated whenever one

> >extends one hip at a time in a closed kinetic chain.

> >

> >So thought I would try and make a million bucks and design a

machine

> >similar but better of course to a stepper tipped forward 35

> >degrees so one can just hop on and repeat a movement similar to

> >blasting out of a runners block.

> >

> >ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

> >knock some sense into me?

> >

> >I also understand there is a certain degree of genetics that

> >determines how firm a butt and the gluteal fold fascia can be

> >tightened. Bummer.....

> >

> >Cheers

> >

> >Bruce Gray

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of

residence if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I considered conventional squat/lifts for the efficiceny in working

all gluts and felt they might be compromised in three areas:

- that they do not go into end ROM hip extension, to the point of

active insufficiency.

- that some but not all movements involve optimum ballistic speed.

- that they will not recruit glut med/min optimally.

- that deconditioned 35+ beginners need to develop core stability

before making significant gains with squats. LBP and sick discs are

ubiquitous out there.

I also take on board that a strong back is essential too. In fact, I

am very much the wholistic type re strength, and much of my exercise

prescription focuses on whole body close kinetic chains including

trunk rotation. Rotation is something many overlook, but has a

pivotal (sorry about the pun) role in building proprioceptive

awareness of the abdominal region as the initiator of much movement.

Nevertheless, I accept that squats certainly have a gravity defying

effect, and toned muscle covering optimised spinal curvature is

functionally and aesthetically desireable.

As for the big quads, bring it on. I would bet in the next 10 years

we are going to see women's fashion and the ideal model somatotype

start to muscle up, and the current stick figure stereotypes are

going to fade away. I say this for a number of reasons which are all

pretty esoteric and debatable:

- in times of economic and social uncertainty which the Western world

has been going through since the 80s, there is a limited period where

mass consciousness seems almost paralysed to know how to move

forwards and deal with the problem. During this period, the frail

vulnerable female image has predominated. When things finally get bad

enough, fear turns to anger and a desire to act. I believe the

collective unconscious has been going through this for some time now,

and September 11 catalysed it further. In this psychic state, people

want to feel and admire power, strength, and a fuller more rounded

substantial body; and the ideal model's body will become more

muscular and rounded. In fact, there was a trend about two years ago

towards models with bigger busts, which fits with the ever rising

popularity of breast implants. I act with a couple of local model

agencies and can confirm there is a growing interest in the cut

female form.

- television shows like Xena Warrior Princess have become popular,

and I think this confirms the growing unconscious trend of women

admiring women who radiate strength.

- all health authorities are pushing the message that women must do

resistance work to minimize calcium loss after 25, and ideally

maintain a reasonable quantity of lean tissue. I think this is

getting through to the elites, and starting to trickle through to the

masses.

- health authorities, and even Bush, recognize health

insurance is going to blow out in the next 20 years, and ultimately,

it is up to the individual to keep oneself healthy.

So, for all these reasons , I congratulate you and your quads

and butt, and suggest you will probably become more a role model to

those of us over 40 in the next decade.

As for men and the 'Microsoft' induced botties, well yup, my machine

will not be a sexist affair. What is good for the goose is good for

the gander. But men seem to be more rightfully focused on ridding

themselves of intra-abdominal fat, which has all these nasty hormone

effects to boot. Nevertheless, that fat comes off quicker when you

work the body's biggest muscles coincidentally which are quads,

gluts, and hams!

Anyway, i must now get off my butt.

Bruce Gray

Rehab Physiotherapist

Brisbane Australia

-------------

> Well, Bruce - sure I suppose you could put together a new sort of butt

> blaster.

>

> Personally I find mine does well using a barbell - squat (PL style) and the

> full Deadlift... now if a squatter's bootay and the powerful legs will now

> come into style. That's where your real challenge is, Bruce.

(reference

> recent comments regarding deplorable actual muscular quads! and

attempts to

> remove them from women). See, a nice bootay comes with power

accessories -

> a strong lowre back, powerful legs....you really aren't gonna get 1

without

> the rest of the package. Factory equipped, so to speak . See

it's

> muscle...if it's not fat...and some women appear from posters here

to be

> ALLERGIC to the notion of muscle and strength?

>

> At 42, no apparent signs of anything heading south here...(the

bench works

> to prevent the chest from sinking into 1's drawers too - Loretta

Laroche

> (comedian) describes that as " furniture disease " )..

>

> How about marketing to men in a similar fashion by the way -

particularly

> the ones whose bellies more resemble a round than their kinda

insufficient

> bootays? <laughing>

>

> Or find a way to make size and strength truly fashionable among

women...ok

> now THERE's a nice thought .

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA.

> Lifting heavy and strong here among the ripped ribcages of

emaciation...

> PLEASE feed these people....<laughing> they are the epitomy of

Krista's

> " death sucking on a cracker! "

-------

From: thefirstbruce <thefirstbruce@y...>

> >Every woman i know wants not only to lose fat off the buttisimo, but

> >also make it defy gravity.

> >

> >I thought about it the other day and think I have come up with the

> >most efficient movement to tighten a butt.

> >

> >So the goal is to target glut maximus with overflow into glut med and

> >min. I deduce a full ROM ballistic hip extension movement combined

> >with abduction is the way to go. i.e. a 100m sprinter coming out of

> >the blocks should give a good visual. I also felt it was important to

> >ensure hip extension went well into inner range...may as well give

> >the iliopsoas a good stretch to facilitate its antagonist.

> >

> >Abduction of 25 degrees may be all that is necessary to combine with

> >the extension vector, as glut med and min are activated whenever one

> >extends one hip at a time in a closed kinetic chain.

> >

> >So thought I would try and make a million bucks and design a

machine

> >similar but better of course to a stepper tipped forward 35

> >degrees so one can just hop on and repeat a movement similar to

> >blasting out of a runners block.

> >

> >ANyone know if such a machine exists? Or does anyone want to just

> >knock some sense into me?

> >

> >I also understand there is a certain degree of genetics that

> >determines how firm a butt and the gluteal fold fascia can be

> >tightened. Bummer.....

> >

> >Cheers

> >

> >Bruce Gray

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of

residence if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

Dear Bruce,

Alternatively they could just embark on a " fun " training regime of

Cleans, full squats, RDL's, lunges, etc...and get " firmed-up " all

over, without the need for any expensive, shiny, patent-protected

machinery... ;-)

Sorry Bruce, I just couldn't resist...

Cheers,

Andy Gilmour,

Edinburgh,

Scotland.

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence

if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

Dear Bruce,

Alternatively they could just embark on a " fun " training regime of

Cleans, full squats, RDL's, lunges, etc...and get " firmed-up " all

over, without the need for any expensive, shiny, patent-protected

machinery... ;-)

Sorry Bruce, I just couldn't resist...

Cheers,

Andy Gilmour,

Edinburgh,

Scotland.

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence

if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

Dear Bruce,

Alternatively they could just embark on a " fun " training regime of

Cleans, full squats, RDL's, lunges, etc...and get " firmed-up " all

over, without the need for any expensive, shiny, patent-protected

machinery... ;-)

Sorry Bruce, I just couldn't resist...

Cheers,

Andy Gilmour,

Edinburgh,

Scotland.

* Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence

if you wish them to be published!

[Guest guest]

I have a ish heritage Andy so am comfortable with the dry

wit.....and tight with your money attitude....

A mate of mine who has run gyms for 35 years says brand new shiny

different machines used to pull him heaps of new memberships. he is

scottish too.

Unfortunately, people get bored working out doing the same ol same

ol. And power to those who can get an deconditioned fatty to stick at

it.

One of my favourite machines at the moment is a cardio climber. It's

great for my rugby-ised knees (lateral meniscus a little loose) and

one elbow (fracture dislocation -> big part of the lateral epicondyle

just floating around since the connective tissue preventing union

gave way). I can't do conventional exercises regularly because the

joints stir up.

Looks like us baby boomers are gonna need more shiny expensive

machines.

Moral of the story? Don't play contact sport. Learn how to build a

house instead.

Cheers

Bruce Gray

Rehab Physio

Brisbane Australia

> Dear Bruce,

>

> Alternatively they could just embark on a " fun " training regime of

> Cleans, full squats, RDL's, lunges, etc...and get " firmed-up " all

> over, without the need for any expensive, shiny, patent-protected

> machinery... ;-)

>

> Sorry Bruce, I just couldn't resist...

>

> Cheers,

>

> Andy Gilmour,

> Edinburgh,

> Scotland.

>

> * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of

residence

> if you wish them to be published!