Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

April 7, 2009

Blaming us for our greedy and corrupt government/corporate system is like

blaming yourselves for the systems in your country that do not work, aka your

socialized medicine, for example, that you did not have control over.

Face it, governments do not represent people. And we have LITTLE control over

their actions. Don't pretend voting gives you much say. We don't vote on

important decisions being made daily. Our elected officials do. And they do what

they want, or what the corporation tells them to do.

We need to stop villifying each other. We are not each other's enemy.

Until we find more that we are united on, instead of fighting each other, we'll

always be the victims.

When people start uniting together, then we will have more power. Governments

have worked to keep us divided in many ways. In the US the two-party system

works to divide us. Libs are fighting repubs for some senseless reason, hating

their neighbors! not stopping to notice that all of the politicians are on the

take, and not really representing us. Some of them are doing a better job, but

they're ALL rich, and ALL on the take, and ALL of them are immune from the law

(check out how diligent they are paying their taxes. Could you do the same?)

They do this so we fight each other, instead of uniting to fight our common

enemy, which is them (government/corporate spokespeople). We are filled with

daily distractions in the news to polarize the people and solidify the

distinctions.

Stop the senseless arguing, please. What is your point?

>

> > In our country, the free and greedy Corporation is the

> > problem.

> <snip>

>

> The problem is the people who allowed the " greedy Corporation " to become the

problem that it is, viz., you the people.

>

> Regards,

>

April 8, 2009

--- weisstreasure wrote:

> Doctors in this country, despite their lack of success, have

> an ego that defies reason. <snip>

The reason is because they're in a position of power, and the reason for that is

because we don't have any other real options, and the reason for that is because

we don't have any real freedom. That's what this all boils down to and why

freedom is the solution.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- weisstreasure wrote:

> Doctors in this country, despite their lack of success, have

> an ego that defies reason. <snip>

The reason is because they're in a position of power, and the reason for that is

because we don't have any other real options, and the reason for that is because

we don't have any real freedom. That's what this all boils down to and why

freedom is the solution.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- LimeEone@... wrote:

> This seems awfully simplistic to me.

Yes, freedom is a simple proposition, and that's why it works if practiced. It's

also why I continue to be astonished by so many people not being able to grasp

such a simple proposition.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- McGuire wrote:

> If we get universal health care, there will be many who will

> opt for private clinics and fancy resort-like hospitals.

> they are propping up and sounds like a likely

> candidate for this type of service. Hey, it beats waiting in

> like!

The only healthcare I can afford is self-care, and even that is limited. If I

get a situation that I can't handle myself, I have to suffer through the

socialized medical system. If I got cancer or some other serious illness, if I

couldn't take care of it myself, I would die just like all the other people who

don't have any other options. Talking about cancer, I've read reports that

people who have no treatment at all last longer than those who get standard

treatment, so how is universal healthcare beneficial in this context?

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- McGuire wrote:

> I am currently benefitting from a universal health care

> system here in California. I have no problems with it. No

> waiting any longer than when I had a very high quality,

> expensive private health insurance.

I don't doubt that you are benefiting, but you are looking at the matter only

from that perspective, your personal benefit. You are not considering the

matter from the larger issue and perspective of what's universally beneficial

for all. The only thing that is universally beneficial is freedom. because what

may be beneficial to you may not be beneficial to someone else.

> , you are in a position where you have the LUXURY to

> be critical and sound like a Republican, but if it

> weren't for this current insurance program, i would not

> be doing as well financially.

As I already said, I am politically neutral. I have never voted or had any

other involvement in politics. And it's truly sad that you feel criticizing a

bad system is a " luxury " .

> Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can get it

> and if it is a well run system.

And what would you call a " well run system " ? You think that universal coverage

for a " healthcare " system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

blessing?

> You can critisize all you want but there is an increasing

> need for a system like this.

There is an increasing need to have the individual freedom to choose the

healthcare that we prefer, without the interference that government controls and

monopolies create.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- McGuire wrote:

> I am currently benefitting from a universal health care

> system here in California. I have no problems with it. No

> waiting any longer than when I had a very high quality,

> expensive private health insurance.

I don't doubt that you are benefiting, but you are looking at the matter only

from that perspective, your personal benefit. You are not considering the

matter from the larger issue and perspective of what's universally beneficial

for all. The only thing that is universally beneficial is freedom. because what

may be beneficial to you may not be beneficial to someone else.

> , you are in a position where you have the LUXURY to

> be critical and sound like a Republican, but if it

> weren't for this current insurance program, i would not

> be doing as well financially.

As I already said, I am politically neutral. I have never voted or had any

other involvement in politics. And it's truly sad that you feel criticizing a

bad system is a " luxury " .

> Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can get it

> and if it is a well run system.

And what would you call a " well run system " ? You think that universal coverage

for a " healthcare " system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

blessing?

> You can critisize all you want but there is an increasing

> need for a system like this.

There is an increasing need to have the individual freedom to choose the

healthcare that we prefer, without the interference that government controls and

monopolies create.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- Randy wrote:

> This is an essentially stupid discussion because the of use

> of meaningless

> hot-button terms such as " freedom " and

> " socialized medicine. "

WOW! I never expected to hear someone say that " freedom " is a meaningless and

hot-button term.

> Who in their

> right mind is going to argue against " freedom " ?

That's my point; in my opinion, people like you are not in their right mind,

because you are arguing against freedom. It's even worse that you don't realize

it.

> We all naturally want to to

> maximize our freedoms.

Yes, but you're like the bird who escaped from its cage, but returned as soon as

it got hungry. Or like the ancient Israelites who wanted to return to Egypt and

slavery because they were tired of eating the heavenly manna.

> But what does it mean in the context

> of health care?

Freedom, in the context of healthcare, means being able to choose whatever form

of treatment that you prefer, and using your own money and other resources to

buy the services of whatever practitioner you choose or can afford. It means

having practitioners of any type of therapy being able to freely practice their

craft, without being stomped on by the government lackeys of special interest

groups. That's the general idea.

> Unless we are discussing concrete plans then we don't

> know whether we will

> end up with more freedom or less.

Just look at all the other socialized systems. You have all the freedom you

want, as long as it's within the " cage " of what they are providing. Perhaps

that's good enough for you, but that's not my idea of freedom.

> Freedom could mean

> choosing your own

> doctor.

Sure, as long as it's an allopathic prescription writer.

> Freedom now means that millions of people are free

> from receiving

> any kind of health care.

No, it means that they can't receive the only option available.

> Freedom now means the freedom to

> declare bankruptcy

> when we have extraordinary medical bills we can't pay.

As I've pointed out before, the reason you have extraordinary medical bills is

because of the existing monopoly that doesn't allow for cheaper options.

> Or are you really

> afraid that you will be prevented from seeing an

> alternative practitioner

> under a government plan?

People are being prevented from seeing alternative practitioners, not only

because of the restrictions that exist against alternatives, but also because

the alternatives are more expensive than they should be due to the lack of real

competition. Or do you perhaps think that a government plan will give universal

coverage for alternative medicine? I'll believe that when I see it.

> And, who says the medicine will be " socialized "

> and how will that be worse

> than the medicine currently practiced?

Socialized medicine is what this discussion is about, and it will be worse

because you will have the same form of medicine, but will have to pay for it all

the time, regardless of whether you use it or not. Why should a person have to

pay all the time for a service that they don't or rarely use?

> It seems that

> everyone is worried

> there will be waiting lists. I ask you this: Have you ever

> tried to make an

> appointment to see a busy and popular doctor? You may have

> to wait

> months--all under the current system. There are plenty of

> waiting lists now.

Waiting lists are not the issue. The majority of people would not mind waiting

for good service of their choice. The issue is not having any real choice, and

being taxed through the nose to pay for that lack of choice.

> So please banish forever the use of the terms

> " freedom " and " socialized

> medicine " if you wish to have a useful discussion of

> the subject.

It would be more useful if you studied the concept of freedom, and developed an

appreciation for it.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- Randy wrote:

> This is an essentially stupid discussion because the of use

> of meaningless

> hot-button terms such as " freedom " and

> " socialized medicine. "

WOW! I never expected to hear someone say that " freedom " is a meaningless and

hot-button term.

> Who in their

> right mind is going to argue against " freedom " ?

That's my point; in my opinion, people like you are not in their right mind,

because you are arguing against freedom. It's even worse that you don't realize

it.

> We all naturally want to to

> maximize our freedoms.

Yes, but you're like the bird who escaped from its cage, but returned as soon as

it got hungry. Or like the ancient Israelites who wanted to return to Egypt and

slavery because they were tired of eating the heavenly manna.

> But what does it mean in the context

> of health care?

Freedom, in the context of healthcare, means being able to choose whatever form

of treatment that you prefer, and using your own money and other resources to

buy the services of whatever practitioner you choose or can afford. It means

having practitioners of any type of therapy being able to freely practice their

craft, without being stomped on by the government lackeys of special interest

groups. That's the general idea.

> Unless we are discussing concrete plans then we don't

> know whether we will

> end up with more freedom or less.

Just look at all the other socialized systems. You have all the freedom you

want, as long as it's within the " cage " of what they are providing. Perhaps

that's good enough for you, but that's not my idea of freedom.

> Freedom could mean

> choosing your own

> doctor.

Sure, as long as it's an allopathic prescription writer.

> Freedom now means that millions of people are free

> from receiving

> any kind of health care.

No, it means that they can't receive the only option available.

> Freedom now means the freedom to

> declare bankruptcy

> when we have extraordinary medical bills we can't pay.

As I've pointed out before, the reason you have extraordinary medical bills is

because of the existing monopoly that doesn't allow for cheaper options.

> Or are you really

> afraid that you will be prevented from seeing an

> alternative practitioner

> under a government plan?

People are being prevented from seeing alternative practitioners, not only

because of the restrictions that exist against alternatives, but also because

the alternatives are more expensive than they should be due to the lack of real

competition. Or do you perhaps think that a government plan will give universal

coverage for alternative medicine? I'll believe that when I see it.

> And, who says the medicine will be " socialized "

> and how will that be worse

> than the medicine currently practiced?

Socialized medicine is what this discussion is about, and it will be worse

because you will have the same form of medicine, but will have to pay for it all

the time, regardless of whether you use it or not. Why should a person have to

pay all the time for a service that they don't or rarely use?

> It seems that

> everyone is worried

> there will be waiting lists. I ask you this: Have you ever

> tried to make an

> appointment to see a busy and popular doctor? You may have

> to wait

> months--all under the current system. There are plenty of

> waiting lists now.

Waiting lists are not the issue. The majority of people would not mind waiting

for good service of their choice. The issue is not having any real choice, and

being taxed through the nose to pay for that lack of choice.

> So please banish forever the use of the terms

> " freedom " and " socialized

> medicine " if you wish to have a useful discussion of

> the subject.

It would be more useful if you studied the concept of freedom, and developed an

appreciation for it.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- weisstreasure wrote:

> Blaming us for our greedy and corrupt government/corporate

> system is like blaming yourselves for the systems in your

> country that do not work, aka your socialized medicine, for

> example, that you did not have control over.

>

> Face it, governments do not represent people. And we have

> LITTLE control over their actions. Don't pretend voting

> gives you much say. We don't vote on important decisions

> being made daily. Our elected officials do. And they do what

> they want, or what the corporation tells them to do.

<snip>

The point about America is that it was different. It was the first time in the

history of the world where people broke away from tyrants and established a

society based upon individual liberty. That's why it was referred to as " the

great experiment " . At its inception, lin said, " a Republic, if we

can keep it " . Many other countries revolted against one form of tyranny, but

just replaced it with another form, such as monarchy being replaced with

socialism or communism. Countries such as Canada didn't begin with a defining

moment like the U.S. Whatever freedom we have basically trickled down to us.

That's why you Americans have greater responsibility for your present situation.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- medusa569 wrote:

<snip>

> Socialized medicine is an answer to unaffordable medical

> care. There is no

> perfect system.

Yes, it is _an_ answer, but a very poor one at that.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- medusa569 wrote:

<snip>

> Socialized medicine is an answer to unaffordable medical

> care. There is no

> perfect system.

Yes, it is _an_ answer, but a very poor one at that.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- Ken Uzzell wrote:

<snip>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

<snip>

The point about socialized medicine is that you can't avoid it. You get taxed

to pay for it whether you use it or not. So, anyone who uses alternative

methods has to pay twice. I haven't heard anyone argue for socialized universal

coverage of alternative medicine.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- kirktalon@... wrote:

> My 2 cents:

>

> Here was an excellent PBS Frontline program you can watch

> online

> comparing five countries

> and how they cover EVERYONE in their country. These

> countries make it

> work.

> Why can't we?

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

Because your country is founded upon individual liberty, not socialism.

communism, or fascism. It is founded upon the idea that each individual has the

fundamental right to carve out their own path and follow their own vision, as

long as doing so doesn't infringe upon others rights to do the same. It is not

founded upon the idea that other imperfect people are more qualified to dictate

to you what you're going to do with your life and property.

> Another couple of facts I heard today from a Progressive

> radio host

> named Thom Hartmann.

> 22,000 people die in America each year cause they don't

> have healthcare.

> That's 7.333 9/11s. Where is the outrage?

A lot more people die _because_ they have conventional " healthcare " .

> Some insurance company exec(sorry didn't remember the

> name) got a

> billion dollar golden parachute. Where is the outrage?

The outrage should be that the lack of options and competition allows for people

to profit so much that they can buy golden parachutes.

> I've heard dozens of Americans call into Thom's

> show from the foreign

> countries they live in saying

> how great the healthcare is in the country they live in.

> Today it was

> an American from Paris.

>

> We don't want to do things like Europe I hear people

> whine.

> What? You don't want a 35 hour work week so you can

> care for your

> kids more than your job?

> So you don't have to worry about losing your job?

In my observation and experience, the majority of people are very short-sighted

and small-minded when it comes to issues like this. They only look at the fact

that they don't have to directly pay. The reality is that there's no such thing

as " free " healthcare; someone has to pay the bills. And as the late Milton

Friedman said, " nobody spends someone else's money as carefully as they spend

their own " .

> And this let the free market decide, are you kidding? Wall

> Street has

> been free these last eight years and now the whole

> world is attempting to pull itself out of a economic nose

> dive.

You don't have a true free market; you have a corrupt monopoly.

> There has to be a check and balance in government and a

> check and

> balance between government and

> business.

The concept of individual freedom provides for the checks and balances that

you're talking about.

> ALL healthcare needs to be non for profit. If you want to

> go make big

> money sell Italian sports cars

> or something like that. NO ONE NEEDS AN ITALIAN SPORTS CAR

> but we all

> need healthcare and without

> big pharma making it a pill or surgery death trap.

It's not for you or anyone else to dictate that people can't profit from

healthcare. It's a skilled trade like any other, and those practicing it should

be able to profit from it if they can. What should be is that there should be

free competition so that nobody can profit from it to the absurd degree that

presently exists.

Regards,

April 8, 2009

--- kirktalon@... wrote:

> My 2 cents:

>

> Here was an excellent PBS Frontline program you can watch

> online

> comparing five countries

> and how they cover EVERYONE in their country. These

> countries make it

> work.

> Why can't we?

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

Because your country is founded upon individual liberty, not socialism.

communism, or fascism. It is founded upon the idea that each individual has the

fundamental right to carve out their own path and follow their own vision, as

long as doing so doesn't infringe upon others rights to do the same. It is not

founded upon the idea that other imperfect people are more qualified to dictate

to you what you're going to do with your life and property.

> Another couple of facts I heard today from a Progressive

> radio host

> named Thom Hartmann.

> 22,000 people die in America each year cause they don't

> have healthcare.

> That's 7.333 9/11s. Where is the outrage?

A lot more people die _because_ they have conventional " healthcare " .

> Some insurance company exec(sorry didn't remember the

> name) got a

> billion dollar golden parachute. Where is the outrage?

The outrage should be that the lack of options and competition allows for people

to profit so much that they can buy golden parachutes.

> I've heard dozens of Americans call into Thom's

> show from the foreign

> countries they live in saying

> how great the healthcare is in the country they live in.

> Today it was

> an American from Paris.

>

> We don't want to do things like Europe I hear people

> whine.

> What? You don't want a 35 hour work week so you can

> care for your

> kids more than your job?

> So you don't have to worry about losing your job?

In my observation and experience, the majority of people are very short-sighted

and small-minded when it comes to issues like this. They only look at the fact

that they don't have to directly pay. The reality is that there's no such thing

as " free " healthcare; someone has to pay the bills. And as the late Milton

Friedman said, " nobody spends someone else's money as carefully as they spend

their own " .

> And this let the free market decide, are you kidding? Wall

> Street has

> been free these last eight years and now the whole

> world is attempting to pull itself out of a economic nose

> dive.

You don't have a true free market; you have a corrupt monopoly.

> There has to be a check and balance in government and a

> check and

> balance between government and

> business.

The concept of individual freedom provides for the checks and balances that

you're talking about.

> ALL healthcare needs to be non for profit. If you want to

> go make big

> money sell Italian sports cars

> or something like that. NO ONE NEEDS AN ITALIAN SPORTS CAR

> but we all

> need healthcare and without

> big pharma making it a pill or surgery death trap.

It's not for you or anyone else to dictate that people can't profit from

healthcare. It's a skilled trade like any other, and those practicing it should

be able to profit from it if they can. What should be is that there should be

free competition so that nobody can profit from it to the absurd degree that

presently exists.

Regards,

April 9, 2009

Well, the problem on this one is that people into alternative medicine think

Lyme, which is pervasive, chronic, and horribly debilitating, can be cured much

more simply than it actually can by methods such as alkalizing the body,

cleaning up the diet, and staying organic, cleanses, etc. This one seems to

differ in the level of illness that it imposes on the body. Even those who used

rife, used multiple other treatments, and it takes years. In the process of it,

meds make staying alive bearable. Also, sometimes antibiotics can be a

life-saver.

I tried staying away from doctors, working towards wellness, and it's do-able,

was even favorable to the treatment under allopathic medicine, but not while

trying to live " normally, " such as working daily. If you really want to achieve

complete wellness from chronic neuro lyme, the kill method is required, not just

trying to nourish and cleanse the body.

I just have not seen a more challenging illness than least responds to body

supportive methods.

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

April 9, 2009

Well, the problem on this one is that people into alternative medicine think

Lyme, which is pervasive, chronic, and horribly debilitating, can be cured much

more simply than it actually can by methods such as alkalizing the body,

cleaning up the diet, and staying organic, cleanses, etc. This one seems to

differ in the level of illness that it imposes on the body. Even those who used

rife, used multiple other treatments, and it takes years. In the process of it,

meds make staying alive bearable. Also, sometimes antibiotics can be a

life-saver.

I tried staying away from doctors, working towards wellness, and it's do-able,

was even favorable to the treatment under allopathic medicine, but not while

trying to live " normally, " such as working daily. If you really want to achieve

complete wellness from chronic neuro lyme, the kill method is required, not just

trying to nourish and cleanse the body.

I just have not seen a more challenging illness than least responds to body

supportive methods.

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

April 9, 2009

Well, the problem on this one is that people into alternative medicine think

Lyme, which is pervasive, chronic, and horribly debilitating, can be cured much

more simply than it actually can by methods such as alkalizing the body,

cleaning up the diet, and staying organic, cleanses, etc. This one seems to

differ in the level of illness that it imposes on the body. Even those who used

rife, used multiple other treatments, and it takes years. In the process of it,

meds make staying alive bearable. Also, sometimes antibiotics can be a

life-saver.

I tried staying away from doctors, working towards wellness, and it's do-able,

was even favorable to the treatment under allopathic medicine, but not while

trying to live " normally, " such as working daily. If you really want to achieve

complete wellness from chronic neuro lyme, the kill method is required, not just

trying to nourish and cleanse the body.

I just have not seen a more challenging illness than least responds to body

supportive methods.

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

April 10, 2009

Yeah, I actually predicted this response. I posted my response before this

response to you--I don't know why the lag. Maybe I'm moderated.

Anyway, lyme disease is funny that way. I was at my " healthiest " ever when I got

it full blown. I had been an organic vegetarian for years, meditated, had done

all the cleansing, doing much bodywork regularly, was weightlifting and running

regularly .... had healed and cleansed on every level.

I am not the only one. I know of a man who owns an herbal company, and used to

go around and give talks on how to achieve total wellness via herbs, and vegan

natural lifestyle. He said the same thing I did--he was at his peak of health

when the spirochete got him and put him under.

Lyme is humbling, isn't it?

Even better, were the people that used to say that if you have a chronic

illness, on some level you WANT it. Or karma. Or you did something. Clean up

your thoughts. Practice forgiveness.

A healed lymie is never arrogant again, never takes health for granted again,

have you noticed?

>

> Wow!

>

> I thought I used to be arrogant.

>

> I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

> statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

>

> Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

> and still ended up getting blind sided.

>

> Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

> lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> ken@... writes:

>

> Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

> the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

> chronic illness.

>

> We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

> complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

>

> Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

> so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

> rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

> responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

> fund.

>

> Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

> more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

> medical drugs and chronic disease.

>

> When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

> at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

> energy and vitality.

>

> Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> _http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

> for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

> therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> _http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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April 10, 2009

Yeah, I actually predicted this response. I posted my response before this

response to you--I don't know why the lag. Maybe I'm moderated.

Anyway, lyme disease is funny that way. I was at my " healthiest " ever when I got

it full blown. I had been an organic vegetarian for years, meditated, had done

all the cleansing, doing much bodywork regularly, was weightlifting and running

regularly .... had healed and cleansed on every level.

I am not the only one. I know of a man who owns an herbal company, and used to

go around and give talks on how to achieve total wellness via herbs, and vegan

natural lifestyle. He said the same thing I did--he was at his peak of health

when the spirochete got him and put him under.

Lyme is humbling, isn't it?

Even better, were the people that used to say that if you have a chronic

illness, on some level you WANT it. Or karma. Or you did something. Clean up

your thoughts. Practice forgiveness.

A healed lymie is never arrogant again, never takes health for granted again,

have you noticed?

>

> Wow!

>

> I thought I used to be arrogant.

>

> I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

> statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

>

> Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

> and still ended up getting blind sided.

>

> Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

> lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> ken@... writes:

>

> Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

> the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

> chronic illness.

>

> We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

> complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

>

> Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

> so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

> rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

> responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

> fund.

>

> Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

> more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

> medical drugs and chronic disease.

>

> When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

> at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

> energy and vitality.

>

> Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> _http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

> for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

> therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> _http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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April 10, 2009

Yeah, I actually predicted this response. I posted my response before this

response to you--I don't know why the lag. Maybe I'm moderated.

Anyway, lyme disease is funny that way. I was at my " healthiest " ever when I got

it full blown. I had been an organic vegetarian for years, meditated, had done

all the cleansing, doing much bodywork regularly, was weightlifting and running

regularly .... had healed and cleansed on every level.

I am not the only one. I know of a man who owns an herbal company, and used to

go around and give talks on how to achieve total wellness via herbs, and vegan

natural lifestyle. He said the same thing I did--he was at his peak of health

when the spirochete got him and put him under.

Lyme is humbling, isn't it?

Even better, were the people that used to say that if you have a chronic

illness, on some level you WANT it. Or karma. Or you did something. Clean up

your thoughts. Practice forgiveness.

A healed lymie is never arrogant again, never takes health for granted again,

have you noticed?

>

> Wow!

>

> I thought I used to be arrogant.

>

> I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

> statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

>

> Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

> and still ended up getting blind sided.

>

> Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

> lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> ken@... writes:

>

> Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

> the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

> chronic illness.

>

> We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

> complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

>

> Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

> so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

> rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

> responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

> fund.

>

> Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

> more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

> medical drugs and chronic disease.

>

> When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

> at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

> energy and vitality.

>

> Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> _http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

> used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

>

> Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

> medical system.

>

> Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

> accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

> for

> cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

> therapy

> for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

> fix itself when we stop using it.

>

> Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

>

> Inspired by Nenah Sylver

> _http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks â€ " Now starting at $299 (A

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April 10, 2009

Hi Ken:

There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying system

that allows them to have the power they have over people. The reality is that

we very often don't have a real choice where we spend our money. Also, people

should have the right to choose to not take care of themselves, as long as

someone else doesn't have to pay the price. Even people who do take care of

themselves run into problems, but is that my or your fault? If not, why should

you or I have to pay for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical

care if it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if someone

else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But Socialists

don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to force others to pay

for their problems. That's called welfare. And of course the administrators of

the welfare system will

take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in they way

that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills. This is where all

the problems of socialistic systems come from.

Regards,

--- Ken Uzzell wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> But it wouldn't take too long if people stopped turning

> up at Medical Centers, for wages and salaries to run dry.

>

> Remember Dr 's statement, there are only two

> problems with the body, toxin's and microbes.

>

> We kill the microbes with electrotherapy.

>

> We remove the toxins (medical drugs) by avoidance.

>

> This is simply too :-)

>

> Medical Taxes will die out when there is nolonger a need

> for them or they can be used to help rebuild important

> infrastructures of the country, like better roads and

> agriculture farms.

>

> Imagine all USA and Canadian farmers using fertilizes that

> had all 56 minerals in them that the body needs, their

> agriculture crops alone could heal the world! Eating a

> tomato would be the same as having a multimin!

>

> These are the images the world population needs to embrace,

> and if we do, it will come to be.

>

> We do have a choice where we spend our money and what we

> eat, and this choice can change the way the world opperates

> if enough people catch-on.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal-me.com.au

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

April 10, 2009