Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

[Guest guest]

could we get back to talking about rife?

ariella

>

>

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> --- Ken Uzzell wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > But it wouldn't take too long if people stopped turning

> > up at Medical Centers, for wages and salaries to run dry.

> >

> > Remember Dr 's statement, there are only two

> > problems with the body, toxin's and microbes.

> >

> > We kill the microbes with electrotherapy.

> >

> > We remove the toxins (medical drugs) by avoidance.

> >

> > This is simply too :-)

> >

> > Medical Taxes will die out when there is nolonger a need

> > for them or they can be used to help rebuild important

> > infrastructures of the country, like better roads and

> > agriculture farms.

> >

> > Imagine all USA and Canadian farmers using fertilizes that

> > had all 56 minerals in them that the body needs, their

> > agriculture crops alone could heal the world! Eating a

> > tomato would be the same as having a multimin!

> >

> > These are the images the world population needs to embrace,

> > and if we do, it will come to be.

> >

> > We do have a choice where we spend our money and what we

> > eat, and this choice can change the way the world opperates

> > if enough people catch-on.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Ken Uzzell

> > http://heal-me.com.au

> > HealMe Foundation

> > A New Humanity Associate

>

>

>

" you are what you think about "

[Guest guest]

Dear LimeEone,

I'm not arrogant, you are just misreading my message and having a knee jerk

reaction. That's understandable.

http://heal-me.com.au/frex-pfa3.html

Lyme disease is not the result of poor nutrition or anything a person could do

to avoid infection.

Hey, a bacteria comes along and gains control of the body, this is a major

bacterial invasion anyone can catch if in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This is where doctors of medicine should be researching, but according to the

video " Under My Skin " , looks like medicine is making it a money spinner for

their system, like cancer has been made.

Looks like Lyme is running unchecked in most communities, and this is a very sad

situation.

Such a pity the medical system, in all its wisdom and power has abandon Lyme

disease.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Wow!

I thought I used to be arrogant.

I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

and still ended up getting blind sided.

Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ken@... writes:

[Guest guest]

Dear LimeEone,

I'm not arrogant, you are just misreading my message and having a knee jerk

reaction. That's understandable.

http://heal-me.com.au/frex-pfa3.html

Lyme disease is not the result of poor nutrition or anything a person could do

to avoid infection.

Hey, a bacteria comes along and gains control of the body, this is a major

bacterial invasion anyone can catch if in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This is where doctors of medicine should be researching, but according to the

video " Under My Skin " , looks like medicine is making it a money spinner for

their system, like cancer has been made.

Looks like Lyme is running unchecked in most communities, and this is a very sad

situation.

Such a pity the medical system, in all its wisdom and power has abandon Lyme

disease.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Wow!

I thought I used to be arrogant.

I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

and still ended up getting blind sided.

Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ken@... writes:

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health, then you

should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to try and treat his

fading body diseases. In your heart you would probably feel like saying, it

serves you right. Abuse the body and it will fail, and I am not going to pay for

your medical expenses due to unhealthy lifestyle choices.

But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your neighbour

who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for their own health,

and is a person you admire for their lifestyle choices, your heart will feel

differently for this person, and you may even organise a charity collection to

help with this persons medical expenses.

We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is a

conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady luck, or as

some religions call it, karma.

No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a situation

where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or disabled for the rest

of our lives. This is where everyone should contribute to the medical expenses,

as it is not a conscious choice of ours to fall ill.

A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad luck, no

avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be in place for the

other diseases of poor choice?

At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad luck and

poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to the poor choices

people, and the failing medical system is probably failing because of the huge

number of poor lifestyle choices sapping resources than the bad luck conditions

sapping resources.

I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices people

make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and failing. The majority

of people have handed over responsibility for their own health to TV commercials

and super-market stores and the local doctor.

Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a typical

Sydney suburb.

15 medical doctors

3 Physical therapists (me included here)

2 Chiropractors

1 hypnotist

1 nutritionist in training (me)

Easy to see where the errors are.

Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated cholesterol

levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the supplements, they wont

help you, here, take this prescription and you will be ok. Five years later she

is now on 10 prescriptions and has nearly ever chronic disease that is out

there.

She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's advise

because this is the education that has been put out there.

Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most outstanding

therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful of vendors making these

devices available around the world. It is the Rife frequency machine vendors and

researchers that are the true hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and

suppressed.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Hi Ken:

There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying system

that allows them to have the power they have over people. The reality is that

we very often don't have a real choice where we spend our money. Also, people

should have the right to choose to not take care of themselves, as long as

someone else doesn't have to pay the price. Even people who do take care of

themselves run into problems, but is that my or your fault? If not, why should

you or I have to pay for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical

care if it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if someone

else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But Socialists

don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to force others to pay

for their problems. That's called welfare. And of course the administrators of

the welfare system will

take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in they

way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills. This is where

all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

the neighbor would also be paying into the system. All benefit who participate

in it. fails to acknowledge that it is cheaper to pool the funds. the

healthcare is for those who don't have it. HC is a right not a privaledge in a

civilzed society.

 

A.

Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

To: Rife

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

Hi ,

If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health, then you

should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to try and treat his

fading body diseases. In your heart you would probably feel like saying, it

serves you right. Abuse the body and it will fail, and I am not going to pay for

your medical expenses due to unhealthy lifestyle choices.

But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your neighbour

who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for their own health,

and is a person you admire for their lifestyle choices, your heart will feel

differently for this person, and you may even organise a charity collection to

help with this persons medical expenses.

We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is a

conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady luck, or as

some religions call it, karma.

No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a situation

where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or disabled for the rest

of our lives. This is where everyone should contribute to the medical expenses,

as it is not a conscious choice of ours to fall ill.

A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad luck, no

avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be in place for the

other diseases of poor choice?

At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad luck and

poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to the poor choices

people, and the failing medical system is probably failing because of the huge

number of poor lifestyle choices sapping resources than the bad luck conditions

sapping resources.

I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices people

make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and failing. The majority

of people have handed over responsibility for their own health to TV commercials

and super-market stores and the local doctor.

Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a typical

Sydney suburb.

15 medical doctors

3 Physical therapists (me included here)

2 Chiropractors

1 hypnotist

1 nutritionist in training (me)

Easy to see where the errors are.

Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated cholesterol

levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the supplements, they wont

help you, here, take this prescription and you will be ok. Five years later she

is now on 10 prescriptions and has nearly ever chronic disease that is out

there.

She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's advise

because this is the education that has been put out there.

Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most outstanding

therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful of vendors making these

devices available around the world. It is the Rife frequency machine vendors and

researchers that are the true hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and

suppressed.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal- me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Hi Ken:

There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying system

that allows them to have the power they have over people. The reality is that we

very often don't have a real choice where we spend our money. Also, people

should have the right to choose to not take care of themselves, as long as

someone else doesn't have to pay the price. Even people who do take care of

themselves run into problems, but is that my or your fault? If not, why should

you or I have to pay for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical

care if it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is for

someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if someone else

freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But Socialists don't like

the idea of charity. They want to use the law to force others to pay for their

problems. That's called welfare. And of course the administrators of the welfare

system will

take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in they way

that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills. This is where all

the problems of socialistic systems come from.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

the neighbor would also be paying into the system. All benefit who participate

in it. fails to acknowledge that it is cheaper to pool the funds. the

healthcare is for those who don't have it. HC is a right not a privaledge in a

civilzed society.

 

A.

Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

To: Rife

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

Hi ,

If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health, then you

should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to try and treat his

fading body diseases. In your heart you would probably feel like saying, it

serves you right. Abuse the body and it will fail, and I am not going to pay for

your medical expenses due to unhealthy lifestyle choices.

But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your neighbour

who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for their own health,

and is a person you admire for their lifestyle choices, your heart will feel

differently for this person, and you may even organise a charity collection to

help with this persons medical expenses.

We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is a

conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady luck, or as

some religions call it, karma.

No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a situation

where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or disabled for the rest

of our lives. This is where everyone should contribute to the medical expenses,

as it is not a conscious choice of ours to fall ill.

A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad luck, no

avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be in place for the

other diseases of poor choice?

At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad luck and

poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to the poor choices

people, and the failing medical system is probably failing because of the huge

number of poor lifestyle choices sapping resources than the bad luck conditions

sapping resources.

I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices people

make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and failing. The majority

of people have handed over responsibility for their own health to TV commercials

and super-market stores and the local doctor.

Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a typical

Sydney suburb.

15 medical doctors

3 Physical therapists (me included here)

2 Chiropractors

1 hypnotist

1 nutritionist in training (me)

Easy to see where the errors are.

Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated cholesterol

levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the supplements, they wont

help you, here, take this prescription and you will be ok. Five years later she

is now on 10 prescriptions and has nearly ever chronic disease that is out

there.

She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's advise

because this is the education that has been put out there.

Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most outstanding

therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful of vendors making these

devices available around the world. It is the Rife frequency machine vendors and

researchers that are the true hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and

suppressed.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal- me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Hi Ken:

There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying system

that allows them to have the power they have over people. The reality is that we

very often don't have a real choice where we spend our money. Also, people

should have the right to choose to not take care of themselves, as long as

someone else doesn't have to pay the price. Even people who do take care of

themselves run into problems, but is that my or your fault? If not, why should

you or I have to pay for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical

care if it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is for

someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if someone else

freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But Socialists don't like

the idea of charity. They want to use the law to force others to pay for their

problems. That's called welfare. And of course the administrators of the welfare

system will

take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in they way

that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills. This is where all

the problems of socialistic systems come from.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

:

You are not entitled to anything that you do not earn. From each

according to his ability and to each according to his need is

Communism. You are not entitled to take from those that produce if you

produce nothing. Your need does not matter.

If someone wants to give to you because of the goodness in their heart,

that is wonderful. However, you are not entitled to take from them

because you need it just as I am not entitled to hold up a bank because

I need it.

Harvey

===================

McGuire wrote:

>

>

> the neighbor would also be paying into the system. All benefit who

> participate in it. fails to acknowledge that it is cheaper to

> pool the funds. the healthcare is for those who don't have it. HC is a

> right not a privaledge in a civilzed society.

>

> A.

>

>

>

> From: Ken Uzzell <ken@... <mailto:ken%40heal-me.com.au>>

> Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

> To: Rife <mailto:Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

>

> Hi ,

>

> If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health,

> then you should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to

> try and treat his fading body diseases. In your heart you would

> probably feel like saying, it serves you right. Abuse the body and it

> will fail, and I am not going to pay for your medical expenses due to

> unhealthy lifestyle choices.

>

> But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your

> neighbour who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for

> their own health, and is a person you admire for their lifestyle

> choices, your heart will feel differently for this person, and you may

> even organise a charity collection to help with this persons medical

> expenses.

>

> We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is

> a conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady

> luck, or as some religions call it, karma.

>

> No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a

> situation where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or

> disabled for the rest of our lives. This is where everyone should

> contribute to the medical expenses, as it is not a conscious choice of

> ours to fall ill.

>

> A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad

> luck, no avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be

> in place for the other diseases of poor choice?

>

> At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad

> luck and poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to

> the poor choices people, and the failing medical system is probably

> failing because of the huge number of poor lifestyle choices sapping

> resources than the bad luck conditions sapping resources.

>

> I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices

> people make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and

> failing. The majority of people have handed over responsibility for

> their own health to TV commercials and super-market stores and the

> local doctor.

>

> Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a

> typical Sydney suburb.

>

> 15 medical doctors

> 3 Physical therapists (me included here)

> 2 Chiropractors

> 1 hypnotist

> 1 nutritionist in training (me)

>

> Easy to see where the errors are.

>

> Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

>

> A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated

> cholesterol levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the

> supplements, they wont help you, here, take this prescription and you

> will be ok. Five years later she is now on 10 prescriptions and has

> nearly ever chronic disease that is out there.

>

> She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's

> advise because this is the education that has been put out there.

>

> Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most

> outstanding therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful

> of vendors making these devices available around the world. It is the

> Rife frequency machine vendors and researchers that are the true

> hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and suppressed.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal- me.com.au

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

You are not entitled to anything that you do not earn. From each

according to his ability and to each according to his need is

Communism. You are not entitled to take from those that produce if you

produce nothing. Your need does not matter.

If someone wants to give to you because of the goodness in their heart,

that is wonderful. However, you are not entitled to take from them

because you need it just as I am not entitled to hold up a bank because

I need it.

Harvey

===================

McGuire wrote:

>

>

> the neighbor would also be paying into the system. All benefit who

> participate in it. fails to acknowledge that it is cheaper to

> pool the funds. the healthcare is for those who don't have it. HC is a

> right not a privaledge in a civilzed society.

>

> A.

>

>

>

> From: Ken Uzzell <ken@... <mailto:ken%40heal-me.com.au>>

> Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

> To: Rife <mailto:Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

>

> Hi ,

>

> If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health,

> then you should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to

> try and treat his fading body diseases. In your heart you would

> probably feel like saying, it serves you right. Abuse the body and it

> will fail, and I am not going to pay for your medical expenses due to

> unhealthy lifestyle choices.

>

> But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your

> neighbour who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for

> their own health, and is a person you admire for their lifestyle

> choices, your heart will feel differently for this person, and you may

> even organise a charity collection to help with this persons medical

> expenses.

>

> We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is

> a conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady

> luck, or as some religions call it, karma.

>

> No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a

> situation where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or

> disabled for the rest of our lives. This is where everyone should

> contribute to the medical expenses, as it is not a conscious choice of

> ours to fall ill.

>

> A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad

> luck, no avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be

> in place for the other diseases of poor choice?

>

> At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad

> luck and poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to

> the poor choices people, and the failing medical system is probably

> failing because of the huge number of poor lifestyle choices sapping

> resources than the bad luck conditions sapping resources.

>

> I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices

> people make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and

> failing. The majority of people have handed over responsibility for

> their own health to TV commercials and super-market stores and the

> local doctor.

>

> Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a

> typical Sydney suburb.

>

> 15 medical doctors

> 3 Physical therapists (me included here)

> 2 Chiropractors

> 1 hypnotist

> 1 nutritionist in training (me)

>

> Easy to see where the errors are.

>

> Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

>

> A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated

> cholesterol levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the

> supplements, they wont help you, here, take this prescription and you

> will be ok. Five years later she is now on 10 prescriptions and has

> nearly ever chronic disease that is out there.

>

> She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's

> advise because this is the education that has been put out there.

>

> Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most

> outstanding therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful

> of vendors making these devices available around the world. It is the

> Rife frequency machine vendors and researchers that are the true

> hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and suppressed.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal- me.com.au

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello to all,

I'm confuse about viruses, are they positively charged or are they negatively

charged? Too kill viruses with a zapper, should it generate positive charge or

negative charge? According to some medical expert, viruses are the cause of

many diseases like MS, Cervical cancer, depression, diabetes, and ALS and many,

many more. The introduction of weak electric current destroys parasites by

reversing their polarity. If anyone knows the answer to this question please

reply.

Thanks

Joe

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

In the context of this discussion, whether a system is " well run " or not has

little to do with the level of care you receive. If you have a system that

takes by force money from one person and gives it to another person, you have a

bad system, regardless of how good the facilities or care is. Whenever you have

a system that doesn't give you the choices you want, but forces you to pay for

it anyway, you have a bad system. That's what socialized medicine boils down

to.

Regards,

--- McGuire wrote:

<snip>

> Angie:

> the system I am currently benefiting from is not a bad

> system; it is a very good one. You are in no position to

> evaluate this system unless you have a chance to check it

> out.

>

> > Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can

> get it

> > and if it is a well run system.

>

> :

>

> And what would you call a " well run system " ? You

> think that universal coverage for a " healthcare "

> system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

> blessing?

> Angie

>  You don't seem to know what you are talking about,

> I suppose. the facilities are good, and the care

> is standard. I have seen alternative practitioners, private

> doctors, etc. with varying degrees of quality. It just

> depends on how well managed the hospitals are run, and how

> well the doctors know their stuff. Perhaps you have had the

> misfortune of bad qualityMDs, and badly run facilities. 

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hello to all,

I'm confuse about viruses, are they positively charged or are they negatively

charged? Too kill viruses with a zapper, should it generate positive charge or

negative charge? According to some medical expert, viruses are the cause of

many diseases like MS, Cervical cancer, depression, diabetes, and ALS and many,

many more. The introduction of weak electric current destroys parasites by

reversing their polarity. If anyone knows the answer to this question please

reply.

Thanks

Joe

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

In the context of this discussion, whether a system is " well run " or not has

little to do with the level of care you receive. If you have a system that

takes by force money from one person and gives it to another person, you have a

bad system, regardless of how good the facilities or care is. Whenever you have

a system that doesn't give you the choices you want, but forces you to pay for

it anyway, you have a bad system. That's what socialized medicine boils down

to.

Regards,

--- McGuire wrote:

<snip>

> Angie:

> the system I am currently benefiting from is not a bad

> system; it is a very good one. You are in no position to

> evaluate this system unless you have a chance to check it

> out.

>

> > Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can

> get it

> > and if it is a well run system.

>

> :

>

> And what would you call a " well run system " ? You

> think that universal coverage for a " healthcare "

> system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

> blessing?

> Angie

>  You don't seem to know what you are talking about,

> I suppose. the facilities are good, and the care

> is standard. I have seen alternative practitioners, private

> doctors, etc. with varying degrees of quality. It just

> depends on how well managed the hospitals are run, and how

> well the doctors know their stuff. Perhaps you have had the

> misfortune of bad qualityMDs, and badly run facilities. 

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hello to all,

I'm confuse about viruses, are they positively charged or are they negatively

charged? Too kill viruses with a zapper, should it generate positive charge or

negative charge? According to some medical expert, viruses are the cause of

many diseases like MS, Cervical cancer, depression, diabetes, and ALS and many,

many more. The introduction of weak electric current destroys parasites by

reversing their polarity. If anyone knows the answer to this question please

reply.

Thanks

Joe

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

In the context of this discussion, whether a system is " well run " or not has

little to do with the level of care you receive. If you have a system that

takes by force money from one person and gives it to another person, you have a

bad system, regardless of how good the facilities or care is. Whenever you have

a system that doesn't give you the choices you want, but forces you to pay for

it anyway, you have a bad system. That's what socialized medicine boils down

to.

Regards,

--- McGuire wrote:

<snip>

> Angie:

> the system I am currently benefiting from is not a bad

> system; it is a very good one. You are in no position to

> evaluate this system unless you have a chance to check it

> out.

>

> > Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can

> get it

> > and if it is a well run system.

>

> :

>

> And what would you call a " well run system " ? You

> think that universal coverage for a " healthcare "

> system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

> blessing?

> Angie

>  You don't seem to know what you are talking about,

> I suppose. the facilities are good, and the care

> is standard. I have seen alternative practitioners, private

> doctors, etc. with varying degrees of quality. It just

> depends on how well managed the hospitals are run, and how

> well the doctors know their stuff. Perhaps you have had the

> misfortune of bad qualityMDs, and badly run facilities. 

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have the ultimate zapper?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

> To: Rife <mailto:Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

>

> Hi ,

>

> If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health,

> then you should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to

> try and treat his fading body diseases. In your heart you would

> probably feel like saying, it serves you right. Abuse the body and it

> will fail, and I am not going to pay for your medical expenses due to

> unhealthy lifestyle choices.

>

> But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your

> neighbour who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for

> their own health, and is a person you admire for their lifestyle

> choices, your heart will feel differently for this person, and you may

> even organise a charity collection to help with this persons medical

> expenses.

>

> We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is

> a conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady

> luck, or as some religions call it, karma.

>

> No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a

> situation where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or

> disabled for the rest of our lives. This is where everyone should

> contribute to the medical expenses, as it is not a conscious choice of

> ours to fall ill.

>

> A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad

> luck, no avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be

> in place for the other diseases of poor choice?

>

> At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad

> luck and poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to

> the poor choices people, and the failing medical system is probably

> failing because of the huge number of poor lifestyle choices sapping

> resources than the bad luck conditions sapping resources.

>

> I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices

> people make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and

> failing. The majority of people have handed over responsibility for

> their own health to TV commercials and super-market stores and the

> local doctor.

>

> Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a

> typical Sydney suburb.

>

> 15 medical doctors

> 3 Physical therapists (me included here)

> 2 Chiropractors

> 1 hypnotist

> 1 nutritionist in training (me)

>

> Easy to see where the errors are.

>

> Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

>

> A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated

> cholesterol levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the

> supplements, they wont help you, here, take this prescription and you

> will be ok. Five years later she is now on 10 prescriptions and has

> nearly ever chronic disease that is out there.

>

> She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's

> advise because this is the education that has been put out there.

>

> Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most

> outstanding therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful

> of vendors making these devices available around the world. It is the

> Rife frequency machine vendors and researchers that are the true

> hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and suppressed.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal- me.com.au

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have the ultimate zapper?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

> To: Rife <mailto:Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:23 PM

>

> Hi ,

>

> If your neighbour eats poorly, and doesn't look after his own health,

> then you should not be liable to contribute to his medical expenses to

> try and treat his fading body diseases. In your heart you would

> probably feel like saying, it serves you right. Abuse the body and it

> will fail, and I am not going to pay for your medical expenses due to

> unhealthy lifestyle choices.

>

> But on the other side of the fence, a tick falls from a tree onto your

> neighbour who has outstanding health and takes full responsibility for

> their own health, and is a person you admire for their lifestyle

> choices, your heart will feel differently for this person, and you may

> even organise a charity collection to help with this persons medical

> expenses.

>

> We have two different situations of how a person can fall ill, one is

> a conscious choice of poor lifestyle habits, and the other is lady

> luck, or as some religions call it, karma.

>

> No matter how healthy you and I are, at anytime we can be placed in a

> situation where our luck changes and we can be made sick and ill or

> disabled for the rest of our lives. This is where everyone should

> contribute to the medical expenses, as it is not a conscious choice of

> ours to fall ill.

>

> A medical system funded by the community needs to be inplace for bad

> luck, no avoidance disease, and may be an education system needs to be

> in place for the other diseases of poor choice?

>

> At the moment, they are lumped together and the community pays for bad

> luck and poor choices. It appears the greater majority of funds go to

> the poor choices people, and the failing medical system is probably

> failing because of the huge number of poor lifestyle choices sapping

> resources than the bad luck conditions sapping resources.

>

> I have stood at check-outs in super markets looking at all the choices

> people make, Ha! no-wonder our medical system is overburden and

> failing. The majority of people have handed over responsibility for

> their own health to TV commercials and super-market stores and the

> local doctor.

>

> Lets look at my local community, 22,000 people living in Berowra, a

> typical Sydney suburb.

>

> 15 medical doctors

> 3 Physical therapists (me included here)

> 2 Chiropractors

> 1 hypnotist

> 1 nutritionist in training (me)

>

> Easy to see where the errors are.

>

> Now this is where the poor choices system does not work.

>

> A senior lady came to see me a while back, she had slightly elevated

> cholesterol levels 5 years ago and the doctor said stop taking the

> supplements, they wont help you, here, take this prescription and you

> will be ok. Five years later she is now on 10 prescriptions and has

> nearly ever chronic disease that is out there.

>

> She made the choice about healthy lifestyle to believe in her doctor's

> advise because this is the education that has been put out there.

>

> Next to nutrition, comes Rife frequency therapy, one of the most

> outstanding therapies in the world today, and we only have a handful

> of vendors making these devices available around the world. It is the

> Rife frequency machine vendors and researchers that are the true

> hero's of this world, and they are hunted down and suppressed.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal- me.com.au

> HealMe Foundation

> A New Humanity Associate

>

> Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Private insurance is based on pooled funds.

A.

> the neighbor would also be paying into the system. All

> benefit who participate in it.

No, all do not benefit. For a socialized system to work, some have to pay more

than they receive back. Someone like you with higher medical bills is

benefiting from the money that other people with lower or no medical bills pays.

The fact that there are more people now with high medical bills is why

socialized medical systems are collapsing.

> fails to acknowledge

> that it is cheaper to pool the funds.

I fail to acknowledge it because it's totally wrong. If you and I had our funds

of $100 each pooled together, we would have $200. Correct? Now if the

bureaucrat who is pooling our funds takes $50 for his administrative fee, we are

left with $150. How is that cheaper?

> the healthcare is for

> those who don't have it.

So then you admit that what you want to do is live at someone else's expense.

> HC is a right not a privaledge

> in a civilzed society.

Not at someone else's expense it isn't. Does a man have the right to rape a

woman because he has the " need " for sexual release? Would it be okay if society

said it was? Do you think society is more civilized today than it was in

earlier years?

I've said it before and I'll say it again; living at the expense of someone else

is not a right. It doesn't matter whether it's in regard to healthcare or

anything else. The only way you can live at someone else's expense is through

injustice. When you open that door, you set the stage for all the problems that

society faces today. Like the scripture says, " man has dominated man to his

injury " .

Regards,

[Guest guest]

...i think that was her point. at least that's how i read it.

> Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

>

>

> --- McGuire wrote:

>

> > Private insurance is based on pooled funds.

>

>

> Prices are still high with private insurance. Private

> insurance takes a huge cut for administration and profit,

> which naturally means that there's less money left to pay for

> people's medical bills. Things are not cheaper with private

> insurance.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is how the con game of insurance works. My friend has a family member who

happens to be an employee of my insurance provider. My plan requires this

mentioned company pay 85% with my 15% co-pay. Well, they send my friend's family

member to a hospital to strong arm a discounted deal on the 85% percent. They

require me to pay 15% of the retail while they pay a severely reduced portion

off of the 85%. If the hospitals do not agree,  then the insurer will threaten

to eliminate the hospital from the plan. What a scam. The Codex plan will only

make it worse. Buyers beware!

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

I'm confuse about viruses, are they positively charged or are they

negatively charged? Too kill viruses with a zapper, should it generate

positive charge or negative charge? According to some medical expert,

viruses are the cause of many diseases like MS, Cervical cancer, depression,

diabetes, and ALS and many, many more. The introduction of weak electric

current destroys parasites by reversing their polarity. If anyone knows the

answer to this question please reply.

Thanks

Joe

_________

Hi Joe,

It's my understanding that when contact devices such as " zappers " deliver

weak electric current, that current only consists of (negatively-charged)

electron motion.

As a result of limitations of the English language, there's probably some

misunderstanding about the terms " positive " and " negative " in connection

with devices. It does not refer to what kind of charges are generated.

Instead it refers to the direction of the electron motion through the

tissues.

In very simple terms:

DC current could be thought of as electron motion going only in one

direction at all times, with no frequency interruptions of the motion at

all.

Once frequency interruptions are introduced - AC (alternating current) would

involve electron motion basically going forwards and backwards from an

original center point, perhaps with some overall forward motion due to

voltage-related pull originating at the electrode ends. Positive-offset DC

(direct current) would involve forward motion only from the center point;

and negative-only DC would involve backward motion only from the center

point (again, subject to voltage " pull " from the electrodes) .

Visually it looks like this, a very simple representation (the dot is the

electron and also a center location),

AC: <--- . ---> wavering around a center location

Positive-offset DC: . <---> back and forth on one side of a center

location

Negative-offset DC: <---> . back and forth on the other side of a

center location

with the whole business being pulled in the direction of the voltage pull.

Without getting into frequency range issues, which is related to whether

current gets across membranes or not...and to answer your question about

surface virus charge - it varies according to the type of virus, and the pH

and possibly other conditions immediately surrounding the virus. Going to

an article:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=238350 & blobtype=pdf

[from the conclusions section]:

" The pH of the dispersion medium determines the relative surface charge

states of the virus...by controlling the ionization on their surface

groups. "

[and from the abstract, bracketed word added by me]:

" All [tested] viruses adsorbed exclusively to negatively charged silica at

pH values below their isoelectric points, i.e., under conditions favoring a

positive surface charge on the virions. Conversely, all viruses adsorbed

exclusively to positively charged silica at pH values above their

isoelectric points, i.e., where virus surface charge is negative. Viruses in

near-isoelectric state adsorbed to all types of silica, albeit to a lesser

degree. "

The isoelectric point is the pH value at which proteins (or a collection of

proteins such as at a virus surface) carries no net electrical charge.

Proteins change conformation in various pH environments, and the various

viruses have somewhat widely varying isoelectric points. These phenomena

are related to how viruses are " activated " at host cell membrane surfaces,

and inside of host cells.

So to summarize, viruses change their surface charge characteristics in

different pH environments. From some reading I have done, I would suspect

that since many viruses have a pI value (aka isoelectric point value) below

7.4 (the approximate pH value of the blood), if they are in the blood their

surface charge will be usually negative. But that may not be quite the case

in the tissues, or inside of cells. Some organelle compartments inside of

cells are naturally very acid (have a much lower pH value).

Another aspect to consider is that some viruses are enveloped, which means

they have a lipid bilayer around them. Others do not. Lipid bilayers are

obtained from either the host outer cellular membrane, or a membrane from

one of the interior cell organelles such as the nucleus, endoplasmic

reticulum, or Golgi apparatus. The lipid bilayer membrane would constitute

a resistance-type of barrier. Electron current would tend to go around such

a barrier.

What weak electron current might do, is alter the normal concentration of

positive charges around the surface of a pathogen, thus causing disruption

of their normal functions.

So in general, it's probably impossible to assume the debilitation response

of all viruses would be the same, given any one set of device parameters.

This would be true not only for contact devices, put also plasma devices.

Hope this helps some, and is not too technical. These were very good

questions, thanks for posting them.

Char