Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

[Guest guest]

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsylver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsylver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

You guys sure are cheap! Pay twice. It's insurance, and you will never know when

you'll need it!

 

A.

<snip>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

<snip>

The point about socialized medicine is that you can't avoid it. You get taxed to

pay for it whether you use it or not. So, anyone who uses alternative methods

has to pay twice. I haven't heard anyone argue for socialized universal coverage

of alternative medicine.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

You guys sure are cheap! Pay twice. It's insurance, and you will never know when

you'll need it!

 

A.

<snip>

> Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

>

> The way to improve it is to avoid it.

<snip>

The point about socialized medicine is that you can't avoid it. You get taxed to

pay for it whether you use it or not. So, anyone who uses alternative methods

has to pay twice. I haven't heard anyone argue for socialized universal coverage

of alternative medicine.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Oh, then Randy would probably opt for the resort-like setting and MDs at one's

beck and call!

 

A.

> If we get universal health care, there will be many who will

> opt for private clinics and fancy resort-like hospitals.

> they are propping up and sounds like a likely

> candidate for this type of service. Hey, it beats waiting in

> like!

The only healthcare I can afford is self-care, and even that is limited. If I

get a situation that I can't handle myself, I have to suffer through the

socialized medical system. If I got cancer or some other serious illness, if I

couldn't take care of it myself, I would die just like all the other people who

don't have any other options. Talking about cancer, I've read reports that

people who have no treatment at all last longer than those who get standard

treatment, so how is universal healthcare beneficial in this context?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Oh, then Randy would probably opt for the resort-like setting and MDs at one's

beck and call!

 

A.

> If we get universal health care, there will be many who will

> opt for private clinics and fancy resort-like hospitals.

> they are propping up and sounds like a likely

> candidate for this type of service. Hey, it beats waiting in

> like!

The only healthcare I can afford is self-care, and even that is limited. If I

get a situation that I can't handle myself, I have to suffer through the

socialized medical system. If I got cancer or some other serious illness, if I

couldn't take care of it myself, I would die just like all the other people who

don't have any other options. Talking about cancer, I've read reports that

people who have no treatment at all last longer than those who get standard

treatment, so how is universal healthcare beneficial in this context?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I don't doubt that you are benefiting, but you are looking at the matter only

from that perspective, your personal benefit. You are not considering the matter

from the larger issue and perspective of what's universally beneficial for all.

The only thing that is universally beneficial is freedom. because what may be

beneficial to you may not be beneficial to someone else.

Angie:

I can'V look at a situation from another'sperspective unless I understabnd what

he/she is going through and everyone has not confided in me yet.

:

As I already said, I am politically neutral. I have never voted or had any other

involvement in politics. And it's truly sad that you feel criticizing a bad

system is a " luxury " . 

Angie:

the system I am currently benefiting from is not a bad system; it is a very good

one. You are in no position to evaluate this system unless you have a chance to

check it out.

> Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can get it

> and if it is a well run system.

:

And what would you call a " well run system " ? You think that universal coverage

for a " healthcare " system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

blessing?

Angie

 You don't seem to know what you are talking about, I suppose. the facilities

are good, and the care is standard. I have seen alternative practitioners,

private doctors, etc. with varying degrees of quality. It just depends on how

well managed the hospitals are run, and how well the doctors know their stuff.

Perhaps you have had the misfortune of bad qualityMDs, and badly run

facilities. 

 

> You can critisize all you want but there is an increasing

> need for a system like this.

:

There is an increasing need to have the individual freedom to choose the

healthcare that we prefer, without the interference that government controls and

monopolies create.

Angie:

the Obama plan will include choice and will have an insurance pool for people

who currently don't have any options and access to quality healthcare.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I don't doubt that you are benefiting, but you are looking at the matter only

from that perspective, your personal benefit. You are not considering the matter

from the larger issue and perspective of what's universally beneficial for all.

The only thing that is universally beneficial is freedom. because what may be

beneficial to you may not be beneficial to someone else.

Angie:

I can'V look at a situation from another'sperspective unless I understabnd what

he/she is going through and everyone has not confided in me yet.

:

As I already said, I am politically neutral. I have never voted or had any other

involvement in politics. And it's truly sad that you feel criticizing a bad

system is a " luxury " . 

Angie:

the system I am currently benefiting from is not a bad system; it is a very good

one. You are in no position to evaluate this system unless you have a chance to

check it out.

> Universal healthcare is a blessing for those who can get it

> and if it is a well run system.

:

And what would you call a " well run system " ? You think that universal coverage

for a " healthcare " system that often causes more harm than benefit is a

blessing?

Angie

 You don't seem to know what you are talking about, I suppose. the facilities

are good, and the care is standard. I have seen alternative practitioners,

private doctors, etc. with varying degrees of quality. It just depends on how

well managed the hospitals are run, and how well the doctors know their stuff.

Perhaps you have had the misfortune of bad qualityMDs, and badly run

facilities. 

 

> You can critisize all you want but there is an increasing

> need for a system like this.

:

There is an increasing need to have the individual freedom to choose the

healthcare that we prefer, without the interference that government controls and

monopolies create.

Angie:

the Obama plan will include choice and will have an insurance pool for people

who currently don't have any options and access to quality healthcare.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

<Freedom, in the context of healthcare, means being able to choose whatever

form of treatment that you prefer, and using your own money and other

resources to buy the services of whatever practitioner you choose or can

afford. It means having practitioners of any type of therapy being able to

freely practice their craft, without being stomped on by the government

lackeys of special interest groups. That's the general idea.>

So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy whatever health

care they want and the working poor get what they can afford--which is

nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they can't afford it.

They have the freedom to just die. Classic social Darwinism--survival of the

fittest (or richest, in this case). After all, why should a rich country

find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its citizens? How to pay

for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance companies which do

nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out of the system in

order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to stockholders, and armies

of employees.

By your definition of freedom individuals would have to build their own

roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing as public goods!

People should be free of building codes and environmental regulations. The

poor should be free to live in shacks without running water or electricity.

We should all be free from government imposed clean air and water. Freedom

freedom freedom!

I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where you're coming from.

Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and quit stomping on

anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<Freedom, in the context of healthcare, means being able to choose whatever

form of treatment that you prefer, and using your own money and other

resources to buy the services of whatever practitioner you choose or can

afford. It means having practitioners of any type of therapy being able to

freely practice their craft, without being stomped on by the government

lackeys of special interest groups. That's the general idea.>

So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy whatever health

care they want and the working poor get what they can afford--which is

nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they can't afford it.

They have the freedom to just die. Classic social Darwinism--survival of the

fittest (or richest, in this case). After all, why should a rich country

find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its citizens? How to pay

for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance companies which do

nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out of the system in

order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to stockholders, and armies

of employees.

By your definition of freedom individuals would have to build their own

roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing as public goods!

People should be free of building codes and environmental regulations. The

poor should be free to live in shacks without running water or electricity.

We should all be free from government imposed clean air and water. Freedom

freedom freedom!

I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where you're coming from.

Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and quit stomping on

anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<Freedom, in the context of healthcare, means being able to choose whatever

form of treatment that you prefer, and using your own money and other

resources to buy the services of whatever practitioner you choose or can

afford. It means having practitioners of any type of therapy being able to

freely practice their craft, without being stomped on by the government

lackeys of special interest groups. That's the general idea.>

So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy whatever health

care they want and the working poor get what they can afford--which is

nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they can't afford it.

They have the freedom to just die. Classic social Darwinism--survival of the

fittest (or richest, in this case). After all, why should a rich country

find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its citizens? How to pay

for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance companies which do

nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out of the system in

order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to stockholders, and armies

of employees.

By your definition of freedom individuals would have to build their own

roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing as public goods!

People should be free of building codes and environmental regulations. The

poor should be free to live in shacks without running water or electricity.

We should all be free from government imposed clean air and water. Freedom

freedom freedom!

I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where you're coming from.

Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and quit stomping on

anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow!

I thought I used to be arrogant.

I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

and still ended up getting blind sided.

Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ken@... writes:

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

chronic illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

medical drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

energy and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

_http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

_http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

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[Guest guest]

Wow!

I thought I used to be arrogant.

I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

and still ended up getting blind sided.

Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ken@... writes:

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

chronic illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

medical drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

energy and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

_http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

_http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

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[Guest guest]

Wow!

I thought I used to be arrogant.

I suppose this is some sort of karmic retribution, as I used to make

statements exactly like this one and now here I am looking into the mirror.

Plenty of people have " taken responsibility for their health via nutrition "

and still ended up getting blind sided.

Just keep eating your good foods and spouting your wisdom, and, if you're

lucky, you'll never cross paths with any spirochetes.

In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ken@... writes:

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give

the body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding

chronic illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available

so we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these

rights to doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this

responsibility and wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us

which we

fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will

more than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of

medical drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do

at home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of

energy and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

_http://heal-http://he_ (http://heal-me.com.au/)

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

_http://www.nenahsylhttp://_ (http://www.nenahsylver.com/)

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

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[Guest guest]

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsylver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsylver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist

for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsylver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

....Oh, yeah, San Francisco also has universal healcthcare now.

 

A.

Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

To: Rife

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:52 PM

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal- me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsyl ver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

....Oh, yeah, San Francisco also has universal healcthcare now.

 

A.

Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

To: Rife

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:52 PM

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal- me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsyl ver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

....Oh, yeah, San Francisco also has universal healcthcare now.

 

A.

Subject: Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

To: Rife

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:52 PM

Chronic disease is nothing more than a nutrient deficient state. You give the

body the resources it needs and it will do a wonderful job of avoiding chronic

illness.

We spend the first 40 to 50 years borrowing from our body, and we whinge and

complain when it comes to pay-back time = chronic disease.

Most of the population asked for doctors to make the miracle pills available so

we didn't have to be responsible for our health, we handed over these rights to

doctors of medicine and we pay them handsomely to accept this responsibility and

wonderful health care medical systems are set-up for us which we fund.

Those who accept full responsibility for their health via nutrition, will more

than likely easily burst the century barrier and know very little of medical

drugs and chronic disease.

When you combine nutrition and frequency therapy, along with a few easy " do at

home " disciplines then life can become wonderful, youthful, and full of energy

and vitality.

Where the mind goes, the body will follow.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal- me.com.au

HealMe Foundation

A New Humanity Associate

Re: Re: [Off topic] Socialized Medicine

Ken, we'll see if you still think this way if you become chronically ill. I

used to think EXACTLY like you do. It turned out I was wrong, however.

Why be concerned about improving the medical system?

The way to improve it is to avoid it.

Focus on Nutrition, Diet, Exercise and Love and you have no need for a

medical system.

Sure, the odd doctor and surgeon comes in handy for physical trauma

accidents, and the chiro when those bones play up, and the massage therapist for

cleaning out the inside of your body, and the occasionally Rife frequency

therapy

for keeping microbe loadings under check, but the medical system will only

fix itself when we stop using it.

Lets replace doctors of medicine with doctors of nutrition.

Inspired by Nenah Sylver

http://www.nenahsyl ver.com

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

Thgis is a lot of BS

I hve been in thge rife foram many years ansd i always thought it was about

" RIFE " not this other stuff~!

I am abouty to withdraw from this foram because it is turing into " twitter "

PLEASE letas keep it about Rotal Rife ans his acconplishments ANS MODERN

ADVANCEMENTS IN RIFE TECHNOLOGY!

> So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy

> whatever health

> care they want and the working poor get what they can

> afford--which is

> nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they

> can't afford it.

No, you don't get it. Freedom means equal opportunity to not be poor. It means

not being able to become rich by defrauding others. The reason working poor

can't afford health care is because the only option they're being given is too

expensive. The reason it's too expensive is because it's effectively a monopoly.

All people, regardless of whether they are rich or poor deserve the right to

have access to healthcare that is affordable. And why should the rich be

punished for being rich anyway? If someone is rich and can afford something

better, all power to them. What are you going to do, prevent them from buying a

better car or house because it's better than what you can afford? In my country,

if I was rich, I could use my money for all types of frivolous and riotous

living, but I can't use my money to buy better healthcare. Is that your idea of

a just system?

> They have the freedom to just die.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the rich die just as " freely "

even with the " better " care they can afford under the present monopolistic

system.

> Classic social

> Darwinism--survival of the

> fittest (or richest, in this case).

I am not advocating Darwinism; I am advocating freedom, which is a subject you

obviously don't understand. Socialistic systems have not eliminated poverty and

inequality. They have generally increased it. Increased equality is a side

effect of increased freedom.

> After all, why should a

> rich country

> find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its

> citizens?

Wake up! You are no longer a rich country. You are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt.

The only real way you could provide access to healthcare for all is to provide

them with the freedom to provide for their own access. Give someone a fish and

he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Your problem is

that you want someone else to take care of you.

>How to pay

> for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance

> companies which do

> nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out

> of the system in

> order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to

> stockholders, and armies

> of employees.

Why not do away with a " healthcare " system that requires you to have insurance

to afford it? You can't patch up a fundamentally flawed system.

> By your definition of freedom individuals would have to

> build their own

> roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing

> as public goods!

> People should be free of building codes and environmental

> regulations. The

> poor should be free to live in shacks without running water

> or electricity.

> We should all be free from government imposed clean air and

> water. Freedom

> freedom freedom!

You obviously have no idea what freedom is all about. There is a legitimate

function of government. Some of the things you mentioned are within the

legitimate function of government. And by the way, there are many more poor

people living in shacks without running water or electricity in communistic and

socialistic countries. There are even people in America that live under those

conditions. Even so, it would be better than living on the street like I see

even here in Toronto. You naively think that more government control over

people's lives and money will eliminate all poverty, when very often the reverse

is true.

> I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where

> you're coming from.

You do not see where I'm coming from. I am not a " go-it-alone " type. Not in many

things anyway. I like the idea of, " get by with a little help from my friends " .

I don't like the idea of a corrupt bureaucratic system taking the majority of my

money and then spoon-feeding me a few scraps back. I do not like the idea of

" Big Brother " taking care of me or dictating to me how I'm going to live my

life, or the healthcare I'm going to choose. Do you really like a system where a

stranger who happens to have a medical degree has the power to force your child

to receive toxic chemotherapy against your wishes? Do you like the idea that he

probably has a financial vested interest in doing so? Do you think that

socializing medicine will correct such a travesty of the fundamental right to

self determination?

> Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and

> quit stomping on

> anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

I am not stomping on anyone with a contrary opinion, nor are my comments on

freedom diatribes. I am showing that freedom allows for better solutions to the

problems we're discussing.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Thgis is a lot of BS

I hve been in thge rife foram many years ansd i always thought it was about

" RIFE " not this other stuff~!

I am abouty to withdraw from this foram because it is turing into " twitter "

PLEASE letas keep it about Rotal Rife ans his acconplishments ANS MODERN

ADVANCEMENTS IN RIFE TECHNOLOGY!

> So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy

> whatever health

> care they want and the working poor get what they can

> afford--which is

> nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they

> can't afford it.

No, you don't get it. Freedom means equal opportunity to not be poor. It means

not being able to become rich by defrauding others. The reason working poor

can't afford health care is because the only option they're being given is too

expensive. The reason it's too expensive is because it's effectively a monopoly.

All people, regardless of whether they are rich or poor deserve the right to

have access to healthcare that is affordable. And why should the rich be

punished for being rich anyway? If someone is rich and can afford something

better, all power to them. What are you going to do, prevent them from buying a

better car or house because it's better than what you can afford? In my country,

if I was rich, I could use my money for all types of frivolous and riotous

living, but I can't use my money to buy better healthcare. Is that your idea of

a just system?

> They have the freedom to just die.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the rich die just as " freely "

even with the " better " care they can afford under the present monopolistic

system.

> Classic social

> Darwinism--survival of the

> fittest (or richest, in this case).

I am not advocating Darwinism; I am advocating freedom, which is a subject you

obviously don't understand. Socialistic systems have not eliminated poverty and

inequality. They have generally increased it. Increased equality is a side

effect of increased freedom.

> After all, why should a

> rich country

> find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its

> citizens?

Wake up! You are no longer a rich country. You are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt.

The only real way you could provide access to healthcare for all is to provide

them with the freedom to provide for their own access. Give someone a fish and

he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Your problem is

that you want someone else to take care of you.

>How to pay

> for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance

> companies which do

> nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out

> of the system in

> order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to

> stockholders, and armies

> of employees.

Why not do away with a " healthcare " system that requires you to have insurance

to afford it? You can't patch up a fundamentally flawed system.

> By your definition of freedom individuals would have to

> build their own

> roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing

> as public goods!

> People should be free of building codes and environmental

> regulations. The

> poor should be free to live in shacks without running water

> or electricity.

> We should all be free from government imposed clean air and

> water. Freedom

> freedom freedom!

You obviously have no idea what freedom is all about. There is a legitimate

function of government. Some of the things you mentioned are within the

legitimate function of government. And by the way, there are many more poor

people living in shacks without running water or electricity in communistic and

socialistic countries. There are even people in America that live under those

conditions. Even so, it would be better than living on the street like I see

even here in Toronto. You naively think that more government control over

people's lives and money will eliminate all poverty, when very often the reverse

is true.

> I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where

> you're coming from.

You do not see where I'm coming from. I am not a " go-it-alone " type. Not in many

things anyway. I like the idea of, " get by with a little help from my friends " .

I don't like the idea of a corrupt bureaucratic system taking the majority of my

money and then spoon-feeding me a few scraps back. I do not like the idea of

" Big Brother " taking care of me or dictating to me how I'm going to live my

life, or the healthcare I'm going to choose. Do you really like a system where a

stranger who happens to have a medical degree has the power to force your child

to receive toxic chemotherapy against your wishes? Do you like the idea that he

probably has a financial vested interest in doing so? Do you think that

socializing medicine will correct such a travesty of the fundamental right to

self determination?

> Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and

> quit stomping on

> anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

I am not stomping on anyone with a contrary opinion, nor are my comments on

freedom diatribes. I am showing that freedom allows for better solutions to the

problems we're discussing.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Thgis is a lot of BS

I hve been in thge rife foram many years ansd i always thought it was about

" RIFE " not this other stuff~!

I am abouty to withdraw from this foram because it is turing into " twitter "

PLEASE letas keep it about Rotal Rife ans his acconplishments ANS MODERN

ADVANCEMENTS IN RIFE TECHNOLOGY!

> So what you mean by freedom is that the affluent can buy

> whatever health

> care they want and the working poor get what they can

> afford--which is

> nothing. I get it--the poor deserve nothing because they

> can't afford it.

No, you don't get it. Freedom means equal opportunity to not be poor. It means

not being able to become rich by defrauding others. The reason working poor

can't afford health care is because the only option they're being given is too

expensive. The reason it's too expensive is because it's effectively a monopoly.

All people, regardless of whether they are rich or poor deserve the right to

have access to healthcare that is affordable. And why should the rich be

punished for being rich anyway? If someone is rich and can afford something

better, all power to them. What are you going to do, prevent them from buying a

better car or house because it's better than what you can afford? In my country,

if I was rich, I could use my money for all types of frivolous and riotous

living, but I can't use my money to buy better healthcare. Is that your idea of

a just system?

> They have the freedom to just die.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the rich die just as " freely "

even with the " better " care they can afford under the present monopolistic

system.

> Classic social

> Darwinism--survival of the

> fittest (or richest, in this case).

I am not advocating Darwinism; I am advocating freedom, which is a subject you

obviously don't understand. Socialistic systems have not eliminated poverty and

inequality. They have generally increased it. Increased equality is a side

effect of increased freedom.

> After all, why should a

> rich country

> find a way to provide ACCESS to health care for all its

> citizens?

Wake up! You are no longer a rich country. You are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt.

The only real way you could provide access to healthcare for all is to provide

them with the freedom to provide for their own access. Give someone a fish and

he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Your problem is

that you want someone else to take care of you.

>How to pay

> for it? Why not do away with the private health insurance

> companies which do

> nothing but RATION health care and suck billions of $$ out

> of the system in

> order to pay huge executive salaries, dividends to

> stockholders, and armies

> of employees.

Why not do away with a " healthcare " system that requires you to have insurance

to afford it? You can't patch up a fundamentally flawed system.

> By your definition of freedom individuals would have to

> build their own

> roads and bridges. No relying on government! No such thing

> as public goods!

> People should be free of building codes and environmental

> regulations. The

> poor should be free to live in shacks without running water

> or electricity.

> We should all be free from government imposed clean air and

> water. Freedom

> freedom freedom!

You obviously have no idea what freedom is all about. There is a legitimate

function of government. Some of the things you mentioned are within the

legitimate function of government. And by the way, there are many more poor

people living in shacks without running water or electricity in communistic and

socialistic countries. There are even people in America that live under those

conditions. Even so, it would be better than living on the street like I see

even here in Toronto. You naively think that more government control over

people's lives and money will eliminate all poverty, when very often the reverse

is true.

> I get it, you're a real go-it-alone type. I see where

> you're coming from.

You do not see where I'm coming from. I am not a " go-it-alone " type. Not in many

things anyway. I like the idea of, " get by with a little help from my friends " .

I don't like the idea of a corrupt bureaucratic system taking the majority of my

money and then spoon-feeding me a few scraps back. I do not like the idea of

" Big Brother " taking care of me or dictating to me how I'm going to live my

life, or the healthcare I'm going to choose. Do you really like a system where a

stranger who happens to have a medical degree has the power to force your child

to receive toxic chemotherapy against your wishes? Do you like the idea that he

probably has a financial vested interest in doing so? Do you think that

socializing medicine will correct such a travesty of the fundamental right to

self determination?

> Well you can quit the incessant diatribes about freedom and

> quit stomping on

> anyone who has a contrary opinion from you.

I am not stomping on anyone with a contrary opinion, nor are my comments on

freedom diatribes. I am showing that freedom allows for better solutions to the

problems we're discussing.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

could we get back to talking about rife?

ariella

>

>

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> --- Ken Uzzell wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > But it wouldn't take too long if people stopped turning

> > up at Medical Centers, for wages and salaries to run dry.

> >

> > Remember Dr 's statement, there are only two

> > problems with the body, toxin's and microbes.

> >

> > We kill the microbes with electrotherapy.

> >

> > We remove the toxins (medical drugs) by avoidance.

> >

> > This is simply too :-)

> >

> > Medical Taxes will die out when there is nolonger a need

> > for them or they can be used to help rebuild important

> > infrastructures of the country, like better roads and

> > agriculture farms.

> >

> > Imagine all USA and Canadian farmers using fertilizes that

> > had all 56 minerals in them that the body needs, their

> > agriculture crops alone could heal the world! Eating a

> > tomato would be the same as having a multimin!

> >

> > These are the images the world population needs to embrace,

> > and if we do, it will come to be.

> >

> > We do have a choice where we spend our money and what we

> > eat, and this choice can change the way the world opperates

> > if enough people catch-on.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Ken Uzzell

> > http://heal-me.com.au

> > HealMe Foundation

> > A New Humanity Associate

>

>

>

" you are what you think about "

[Guest guest]

could we get back to talking about rife?

ariella

>

>

>

> Hi Ken:

>

> There is a need for medical centers. The problem is in the underlying

> system that allows them to have the power they have over people. The

> reality is that we very often don't have a real choice where we spend

> our money. Also, people should have the right to choose to not take

> care of themselves, as long as someone else doesn't have to pay the

> price. Even people who do take care of themselves run into problems,

> but is that my or your fault? If not, why should you or I have to pay

> for it? Why should someone else have to pay for my medical care if

> it's not their fault? What Socialists like and Randy want, is

> for someone else to pay for their problems. It would be one thing if

> someone else freely chose to help them out. That's called charity. But

> Socialists don't like the idea of charity. They want to use the law to

> force others to pay for their problems. That's called welfare. And of

> course the administrators of the welfare system will

> take a sizable portion for themselves. The will also administer it in

> they way that they see fit, not the people who are paying the bills.

> This is where all the problems of socialistic systems come from.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> --- Ken Uzzell wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > But it wouldn't take too long if people stopped turning

> > up at Medical Centers, for wages and salaries to run dry.

> >

> > Remember Dr 's statement, there are only two

> > problems with the body, toxin's and microbes.

> >

> > We kill the microbes with electrotherapy.

> >

> > We remove the toxins (medical drugs) by avoidance.

> >

> > This is simply too :-)

> >

> > Medical Taxes will die out when there is nolonger a need

> > for them or they can be used to help rebuild important

> > infrastructures of the country, like better roads and

> > agriculture farms.

> >

> > Imagine all USA and Canadian farmers using fertilizes that

> > had all 56 minerals in them that the body needs, their

> > agriculture crops alone could heal the world! Eating a

> > tomato would be the same as having a multimin!

> >

> > These are the images the world population needs to embrace,

> > and if we do, it will come to be.

> >

> > We do have a choice where we spend our money and what we

> > eat, and this choice can change the way the world opperates

> > if enough people catch-on.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Ken Uzzell

> > http://heal-me.com.au

> > HealMe Foundation

> > A New Humanity Associate

>

>

>

" you are what you think about "