New Product Being Marketed to remove mycotoxins

[Guest guest]

Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy? Thanks, Mike

http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike, this is pretty new and I don't know if

it work. However getting rid of mold is

different than getting rid of their toxins, so

that is first thing you need to know. Lots of

things get rid of mold. If you can remove mold,

that is preferable to killing it. Otherwise

there are many things that kill mold. Getting

rid of toxins is hard. Which one are you needing

help with? both?

--- mryan911 <mryan911@...> wrote:

> Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy?

> Thanks, Mike

>

>

http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx

[Guest guest]

Mike,

's Liquid Gold is an honorable company right here in Denver. But

the product is like most others that promise to kill mold, plus

clean. What this offers is also deodorizing. Other than that there is

no difference. Yes, it good for removing mold growth from surfaces

but so is soap and water. It does effectively kill mold but what does

that solve? If you remove it first then there is nothing to kill.

Make sure you don't react to the deodorizing agent and/or fragrance.

Read their Web site carefully. They aren't using the Modec product

developed by Sandia Labs. It is BASED on that product. Like a movie

with a fictional story based on or inspired by true events.

Again, a sophisticated technology almost never translates into the

equivalent effect with a commercial product, despite clever packaging

and creative marketing.

EPA doesn't approve products, only registers them. Besides, this

could be the most effective mold killer ever created but unless the

mold growth is removed, dead or alive, nothing is gained.

Use of their product by remediators will not improve their work one

iota. They still need to accurately identify the moisture sources

along with the boundaries of the water and mold growth. Then the mold

growth needs to be removed without spreading it throughout the

building. Identify and stop water sources so new mold won't grow.

Follow EPA guidance and S520 standard.

Usually, remediators that rely on a product rather than a process and

principles, don't do a very good job. And they do an even worse job

for those that are more sensitive than the general population because

they have no concept of individual needs. They rely on the product

claims rather than the client's needs.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats, LLC

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> Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy? Thanks, Mike

>

> http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx

[Guest guest]

Ok, it's my turn. Amen Carl... So really mold is gold for that line

of industry. Sorry, bad joke. It's been said before, everyone is

benefiting than us. I've been noticing more and more products that

are on the shelf, like Liquid Gold, Lysol, etc., everyone is jumping

on the band wagon because mold is money. Our product kills different

allergens and mold. I wonder what the difference in their ingredient

in this can, compared to the one sitting along side of it. One thing

is guaranteed, if your stocks are in a slump, just put kills mold on

the front and follow the money. It definately sounds like we need

stiffer and tighter regulations. But you know as well as I many

consumers that read this garbage believe it. GRRRRR.

There is new research continuously for new medications, new building

products, maybe even health insurance coverage, but yet many still

claim that mold can't hurt you or it will just make you sneeze and

irritate your eyes. Sure is alot of money being spent to prevent the

sniffles.

KC

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

wrote:

>

> Mike,

>

> 's Liquid Gold is an honorable company right here in Denver.

But

> the product is like most others that promise to kill mold, plus

> clean. What this offers is also deodorizing. Other than that there

is

> no difference. Yes, it good for removing mold growth from surfaces

> but so is soap and water. It does effectively kill mold but what

does

> that solve? If you remove it first then there is nothing to kill.

> Make sure you don't react to the deodorizing agent and/or

fragrance.

>

> Read their Web site carefully. They aren't using the Modec product

> developed by Sandia Labs. It is BASED on that product. Like a

movie

> with a fictional story based on or inspired by true events.

>

> Again, a sophisticated technology almost never translates into the

> equivalent effect with a commercial product, despite clever

packaging

> and creative marketing.

>

> EPA doesn't approve products, only registers them. Besides, this

> could be the most effective mold killer ever created but unless

the

> mold growth is removed, dead or alive, nothing is gained.

>

> Use of their product by remediators will not improve their work

one

> iota. They still need to accurately identify the moisture sources

> along with the boundaries of the water and mold growth. Then the

mold

> growth needs to be removed without spreading it throughout the

> building. Identify and stop water sources so new mold won't grow.

> Follow EPA guidance and S520 standard.

>

> Usually, remediators that rely on a product rather than a process

and

> principles, don't do a very good job. And they do an even worse

job

> for those that are more sensitive than the general population

because

> they have no concept of individual needs. They rely on the product

> claims rather than the client's needs.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats, LLC

>

> -----

> > Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy? Thanks, Mike

> >

> > http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if I'm trying to remove mold or toxins actually. I know

there were 3 nasty types of black mold in my AC unit and the air

results were so bad the landlord won't give them to me and just wants

to settle.

I now have asthma and some memory problems and am waiting to see a

pulmonologist, but my neighbor has clubbing (enlarged hands and feet)

and also had the black mold i have.

i'm trying to decide if i should just leave absolutely everything and

walk out the door, or if i can take things like clothes (to get them

drycleaned or washed in borax), non-cloth furniture and plastic or

metal objects from my place. any thoughts?

>

> > Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy?

> > Thanks, Mike

> >

> >

> http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx

>

[Guest guest]

This is pretty much a constant conversation here

and there are many ideas. I'll tell you what I

use and let you know that there are many other

ways to tackle problem and differing opinions.

Mold is easier to get rid of than their toxins.

I get rid of mustiness in clothes with salt water

laundry. Salt makes water wetter and softer and

cleans better. I cup a cup of baking soda or you

can use salt. Microbes are killed it you take

the ph of the water to one extreme or the other,

make it very acidic or very salty. I use salty

water. Very acidic water will work too, and most

people use vinegar in water for that. For

toxins, I use ammonia. So basically for wash I

put a cup of baking soda and a little bit of

detergent (for grease dirt and also water

conditioners), and one cup of ammonia. Clothes

do not smell musty after that combo. Ammonia

should help to deactivate toxins but if they are

very toxic, may need to be thrown out if you

react to them. Ask about reactions to

things. I don't know anything about that. Big

subject, but there is a start. You might read

through the archives. It is ALMOST the main

topic here so there should be lots on it. If you

are very sick, most people favor throwing things

away to make sure toxins are gone. Hard objects

like metal may be able to be kept, wood may be

able to be kept if decontaminated with wiping

down with ammonia and water if wood finish can

tolerate that.

--- mryan911 <mryan911@...> wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm trying to remove mold or

> toxins actually. I know

> there were 3 nasty types of black mold in my AC

> unit and the air

> results were so bad the landlord won't give

> them to me and just wants

> to settle.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention, papers are very poroused so best to get rid of

paper things if you can. Important papers can be copied and original

thrown out. If you feel you may need " original " , they can be laminated

in plastic or just put into a zip lock bag to keep. Pictures can be

downloaded into computer and then printed out again new at Walmart or

other place. If you have a good scanner, you can scan documents and

print out new one also. Antique books you can spritz with ammonia,

let dry out the sun and then store away for awhile some place dry.

>

> I'm not sure if I'm trying to remove mold or toxins actually. I know

> there were 3 nasty types of black mold in my AC unit and the air

[Guest guest]

KC,

And AMEN back to you! Marketing is interesting. And thanks, Mike,

for asking instead of just believing the hype.

What is also interesting is how marketing by the " big guys " is

just now growing rather than a few years ago. Between 2000 (just

after the Ballard case) and 2003 the " Mold is Gold " mantra was

being touted by remediators, consultants and attorneys. They lost

their intense interest, however, and the boom ended when the

insurance companies stopped paying mold claims.

So how does one identify and fix their mold problem when there is

no money to have it done correctly by professionals? And good

professionals are hard to find? Enter marketing by the " big guys! "

Do it yourself.

-Test it YOURSELF!

-Remediate it YOURSELF!

-Just KILL, KILL, KILL the mold with our " magic bullet " product!

Our product kills mold deader and quicker than anyone elses!

The sad truth is that caught early you CAN, and should, do it

yourself - simply by removing the mold growth from the surface or

stopping the water leak and letting the building dry in a few

days. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

The severe problems occur with long term damage when the water is

not stopped. Either because we don't know it should be stopped, or

it is unnoticed (like the slow ooze under my own kitchen sink with

green, gray and black mold; but no pink!), or it is hidden in

rentals and resells.

Once mold takes hold inside structures, materials become damaged

and especially when occupants begin to react, then you have a

complex problem in identification and remediation. This is when it

is best to find an experienced professional so you don't mess it

up. 1/3 of my consulting business involves jobs that are botched -

even by " professionals. "

The value of marketing can be to create awareness about a real

problem, which is happening for mold. But the downside is THEY

make money selling a " partial fix " - at the expense of the victims

who believe the fantasy. I don't mean to go political on you but

go see the movie " Flags of Our Fathers " and you will realize that

both sides of marketing can produce both good and ill. And, this

is nothing new.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Ok, it's my turn. Amen Carl... So really mold is gold for that

> line

> of industry. Sorry, bad joke. It's been said before, everyone is

> benefiting than us. I've been noticing more and more products

> that are

> on the shelf, like Liquid Gold, Lysol, etc., everyone is jumping

> on

> the band wagon because mold is money. Our product kills different

> allergens and mold. I wonder what the difference in their

> ingredient

> in this can, compared to the one sitting along side of it. One

> thing

> is guaranteed, if your stocks are in a slump, just put kills mold

> on

> the front and follow the money. It definately sounds like we need

> stiffer and tighter regulations. But you know as well as I many

> consumers that read this garbage believe it. GRRRRR.

>

> There is new research continuously for new medications, new

> building

> products, maybe even health insurance coverage, but yet many

> still

> claim that mold can't hurt you or it will just make you sneeze

> and

> irritate your eyes. Sure is alot of money being spent to prevent

> the

> sniffles.

>

> KC

>

> > > Mike, > > 's Liquid Gold is an honorable company

> right

> here in Denver. But > the product is like most others that

> promise to

> kill mold, plus > clean. What this offers is also deodorizing.

> Other

> than that there is > no difference. Yes, it good for removing

> mold

> growth from surfaces > but so is soap and water. It does

> effectively

> kill mold but what does > that solve? If you remove it first then

> there is nothing to kill. > Make sure you don't react to the

> deodorizing agent and/or fragrance. > > Read their Web site

> carefully.

> They aren't using the Modec product > developed by Sandia Labs.

> It is

> BASED on that product. Like a movie > with a fictional story

> based on

> or inspired by true events. > > Again, a sophisticated technology

> almost never translates into the > equivalent effect with a

> commercial

> product, despite clever packaging > and creative marketing. > >

> EPA

> doesn't approve products, only registers them. Besides, this >

> could

> be the most effective mold killer ever created but unless the >

> mold

> growth is removed, dead or alive, nothing is gained. > > Use of

> their

> product by remediators will not improve their work one > iota.

> They

> still need to accurately identify the moisture sources > along

> with

> the boundaries of the water and mold growth. Then the mold >

> growth

> needs to be removed without spreading it throughout the >

> building.

> Identify and stop water sources so new mold won't grow. > Follow

> EPA

> guidance and S520 standard. > > Usually, remediators that rely on

> a

> product rather than a process and > principles, don't do a very

> good

> job. And they do an even worse job > for those that are more

> sensitive

> than the general population because > they have no concept of

> individual needs. They rely on the product > claims rather than

> the

> client's needs. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats, LLC > > -----

> > >

> Can anyone verify is this is trustworthy? Thanks, Mike > > > >

> http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/mold-control-500/Default.aspx >

>