Re: Just Take a Camper and Go ... Rolling Death Traps!

[Guest guest]

Christ wrote:

> Anyone thinking about a camper DON'T! They are rolling death traps

for people with mold sensitivity's!

> I am looking for a cheap van to live in, they have no inner walls so

I can put in my own and make it in a way that they can be inspected.

It will be extremely crampt but I don't know of any other option. I

can't risk buying a house at this point and I don't like the idea of a

crap shoot for apartments. To many variables there.

>

I had four campers " go bad " on me before I gave up on conventional RV

design, and built my own. Some of the worst " sick buildings " I have

ever encountered were sick trailers.

A bare panel-van or simple trailer works great as a " starter " because

you can build it from the inside - so areas can be made accessible to

take care any future problems. You can choose any size that suits you

best. A friend who wants a little more room is using a bare " toy

hauler " and building it up.

The flaws in normal RV's are two-fold. They make little or no

provison for condensation buildup - and even if they have a metal

frame, they still have interior wood panels and plywood floors that

mold will grow on.

Redesigning and correcting these problems is so complex that it is

easier to just start with a metal or fiberglass shell.

I used metal studs placed vertically. Rather than worrry about

minimizing condensation, I allow condensation to run down the interior

wall to a catch trough, where it can escape, no matter how much there

is.

The best part is the mobility. If you wind up in a spore plume, it's

easy to move.

I just drive into town to work, and decontaminate afterward.

I realize that most people cannot build their own custom RV.

However I know a doctor who is trying to get funding to start a

project to build " Movable Environmental Control Units " that are

specifically designed to suit the special requirements of mold

sufferers.

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[Guest guest]

, but what do you do about heat? I could see this if I could park

it in a garage but outside?

>

> > Anyone thinking about a camper DON'T! They are rolling death traps

> for people with mold sensitivity's!

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, just some brain-storming here: I've seen some really nice big

dog houses, insulated ones; or you could buy a small tract of land

with at least a couple of trees on it and build a tree house (that way

you are off the ground), one can belong to gym for exercise, swimming

and showering afterwards, Ponderosa has a really nice spread for under

$6.00 if you get there before 4 pm....more later!!

>

> > Anyone thinking about a camper DON'T! They are rolling death traps

[Guest guest]

Can one get a fairly clean van or rv USED for reasonable price or do

you need to get one new?

>

>> I realize that most people cannot build their own custom RV.

> However I know a doctor who is trying to get funding to start a

> project to build " Movable Environmental Control Units " that are

> specifically designed to suit the special requirements of mold

> sufferers.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

" barb1283 " wrote:

>

> , but what do you do about heat? I could see this if I could

park it in a garage but outside?

>

I started out just the way you suggested, with an oil filled " safe "

radiant heater and a long extension cord.

Later I added another electric heater, a propane heater and finally a

custom built titanium woodstove.

It's a comforting feeling to know that as long as there is a stick of

wood to be found, I never have to be cold again.

The fireplace has an external air intake so I don't have to worry

about oxygen depletion.

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[Guest guest]

I'm sure I am misunderstanding you , but you

burn wood in a camper or rv??

wrote:

I started out just the way you suggested, with an

oil filled " safe "

radiant heater and a long extension cord.

Later I added another electric heater, a propane

heater and finally a

custom built titanium woodstove.

It's a comforting feeling to know that as long as

there is a stick of

wood to be found, I never have to be cold again.

The fireplace has an external air intake so I

don't have to worry

about oxygen depletion.

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[Guest guest]

>

> I started out just the way you suggested, with an oil filled " safe "

>radiant heater and a long extension cord.

> Later I added another electric heater, a propane heater and finally a

>custom built titanium woodstove.

> It's a comforting feeling to know that as long as there is a stick of

>wood to be found, I never have to be cold again.

> The fireplace has an external air intake so I don't have to worry

>about oxygen depletion.

>-

Custom? You built the wood stove yourself? Or had a comercial one

modified for use in your camper? I have plenty of access to wood here

and have been looking for a wood stove. Probably won't be practicle

for use in something as small as a van when I get one though.

[Guest guest]

I have been looking on ebay for a clunker with high mileage for around

300 to 400 price range. I don't want to drive more than a hundred

miles or so though. So I am still looking. If it's a cargo van you can

just hose it out. It's all metal on the inside. Not that I would

recommend it just that you could.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:07:25 -0000, you wrote:

>Can one get a fairly clean van or rv USED for reasonable price or do

>you need to get one new?

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:14:27 -0000, you wrote:

>

> A bare panel-van or simple trailer works great as a " starter " because

>you can build it from the inside - so areas can be made accessible to

>take care any future problems. You can choose any size that suits you

>best. A friend who wants a little more room is using a bare " toy

>hauler " and building it up.

>

I know they make enclosed utility trailers that are just big plywood

boxes with a fiberglass or sheet metal exterior. Is this what your

talking about? You can also buy a travel trailer that has a drop

down gate in the back for vehicles and a kitchen and bed in the front

for camping. I have contemplated both of these options and see the

same obvious problems with the travel trailer (toy hauler) model as

my own trailer. The utility trailers having plywood would of course be

a problem if moisture gets trapped between the outer fiberglass or

sheet metal exterior. Not to mention any toxic chemicals that might

be used to treat plywood in these units in which were not designed for

habitation.