Re: Court Rebuffs a Suit Linking Mold to Illness WRITE TO...

[Guest guest]

Quackadillian,

You have this ass backwards. Apartment buildings filled with toxic mold are

constantly being converted into condominiums now and have been for quite

some time.

Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

In a message dated 10/21/2006 10:55:02 PM Central Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

For example, I think that when the gatekeepers of 'respectibility' in

the medical establishment accept that toxic mold causes permanent

injuries and kills people, I expect that thousands of landlords will

use that as an excuse to tear down their buildings and/or convert them

to condos.. rather than do whatever is required to make them safe,

however inexpensively that might be able to be done.. (If society was

to put our heads together on that..)

[Guest guest]

The petition is worth the trouble but the

petition that removed Gray I believe was

part of election law in CA, that if they raise so

many signatures, there is an election even if

person's term isn't up.

--- bobbinsbiomed@... wrote:

> It is very important to maintain any type of

> documentation that can reflect

> the increasing numbers of individuals whose

> lives have been affected by mold

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think Schwatznegger is an improvement over Gray , by any

means. I do agree that often, both the Democrats and Republicans in

many cases, become complacent over support from some groups. Thats a

big problem.

Politicians are completely out of touch with human beings in many

ways. They care more about special interest groups like the

pharmaceutical, insurance and real estate industries...

[Guest guest]

I guess the point that I was making was that people need to do much

more than 'sign' an online petition to effect real change, and that

often, the perverse nature of our current system means that change we

might manage to effect could have unintended, very unwanted effects..

if they occur without any of the needed context..

For example, I think that when the gatekeepers of 'respectibility' in

the medical establishment accept that toxic mold causes permanent

injuries and kills people, I expect that thousands of landlords will

use that as an excuse to tear down their buildings and/or convert them

to condos.. rather than do whatever is required to make them safe,

however inexpensively that might be able to be done.. (If society was

to put our heads together on that..)

Yes, that means that bad landlords who have hurt people, knowingly,

for years mght actually end up being rewarded for the way they have

poisoned people..

Thats just the way things appear to work in this country much of the

time. I would love to be proved wrong.. I don't like being this

cynical. But that is what I worry..

I have actually done far better than the average in my own dealings

with bureaucracy.. they have actually listened to me.. sort of..

But there is a HARD AND FAST limit to what they CAN do and that limit

is not very realistic in light of the toxicity of these situations and

the incredible advantages landlords and sellers are given in America

to do what they want with their properties.. There is not much we can

do to prevent them from hiding the truth - and poisoning people..

nudge nudge wink wink..

There need to be some MUCH STRONGER RULES THAT THEY MUST ACCEPT IF

THEY ARE GOING TO RENT OR SELL HOMES...

For example, there should be maintenance logs for properties that

landlords need to keep.. If the estimated lifetime of a particular

kind of roof is ten years, and a roof has not been replaced in twenty

five years, there should be a rebuttable presumption in court that it

is probably leaky.. and that a mold lawsuit based on this situation

making people sick is probably justified.. They should not have to

prove that it killed somebody.. some child..

Also, we need a recognition that mold illness ruins lives and health..

That quality of life and incremental health issues are life

changing... That you don't get a second life.. that years when you

are in your 20s and 30s cant be replaced.. That a stumble at the wrong

time can ruin a career..

Right now, basically, each person is completely on their own - alone on this..

Hell, " they are just trying to 'earn' a (dis) honest buck " , right..

[Guest guest]

>You have this ass backwards. Apartment buildings filled with toxic mold are

constantly being converted into condominiums now and have been for quite

some time.

Bobbins, RN, L.Ac, QME

Yes, I know.. BUT..

In SOME places there are laws that *prevent* them from doing that

willy-nilly. But they would LOVE to have an excuse to 'because they

can't afford to remediate' - evict poor tenants, then condoize or tear

the (now rent-controlled) buildings down and replace them with high

$$$ housing.. THAT NORMAL PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD..

1 BR condos that cost $500,000 for example... Replacing $800/month

rent controlled apartments.. Understand?

They LOVE mold or anything else that they can use to DRIVE long term,

rent controlled tenants OUT...

[Guest guest]

Very thought-provoking and well-said.

Cathe

Re: [] Re: Court Rebuffs a Suit Linking Mold to Illness

WRITE TO...

In a message dated 10/21/2006 10:55:02 PM Central Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

I guess the point that I was making was that people need to do much

more than 'sign' an online petition to effect real change, and that

often, the perverse nature of our current system means that change we

might manage to effect could have unintended, very unwanted effects..

if they occur without any of the needed context..

For example, I think that when the gatekeepers of 'respectibility' in

the medical establishment accept that toxic mold causes permanent

injuries and kills people, I expect that thousands of landlords will

use that as an excuse to tear down their buildings and/or convert them

to condos.. rather than do whatever is required to make them safe,

however inexpensively that might be able to be done.. (If society was

to put our heads together on that..)

Yes, that means that bad landlords who have hurt people, knowingly,

for years mght actually end up being rewarded for the way they have

poisoned people..

Thats just the way things appear to work in this country much of the

time. I would love to be proved wrong.. I don't like being this

cynical. But that is what I worry..

I have actually done far better than the average in my own dealings

with bureaucracy.with bureaucracy.<WBR>. they have actually list

But there is a HARD AND FAST limit to what they CAN do and that limit

is not very realistic in light of the toxicity of these situations and

the incredible advantages landlords and sellers are given in America

to do what they want with their properties.. There is not much we can

do to prevent them from hiding the truth - and poisoning people..

nudge nudge wink wink..

There need to be some MUCH STRONGER RULES THAT THEY MUST ACCEPT IF

THEY ARE GOING TO RENT OR SELL HOMES...

For example, there should be maintenance logs for properties that

landlords need to keep.. If the estimated lifetime of a particular

kind of roof is ten years, and a roof has not been replaced in twenty

five years, there should be a rebuttable presumption in court that it

is probably leaky.. and that a mold lawsuit based on this situation

making people sick is probably justified.. They should not have to

prove that it killed somebody.. some child..

Also, we need a recognition that mold illness ruins lives and health..

That quality of life and incremental health issues are life

changing... That you don't get a second life.. that years when you

are in your 20s and 30s cant be replaced.. That a stumble at the wrong

time can ruin a career..

Right now, basically, each person is completely on their own - alone on

this..

Hell, " they are just trying to 'earn' a (dis) honest buck " , right..