Re: Made matters WORSE opening windows all over house..................

October 16, 2006

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:21:53 -0000, you wrote:

>....who other than

>Barb and myself are STILL living in a MOLLD sickhouse? And how are you

>coping?

This is an interesting question, and what degree of sickness and

recovery have you made? Has anyone on this list been to sick too get

out of bed, lost their job, their savings, their possessions, their

home. Only to have made a full recovery, and returned to work and a

productive life?

October 16, 2006

One reason I am still in mold house is due to being too fatigued to get out.

However I have to add that air tests on my home were completely within normal

limits and so my resolve to move was not high. I figured my problem was due to

immune suppression due to a prescription medicine I was taking, Epstein Barr

test results that were positive, and cancer surgery...need I go on?. HOWEVER,

had I a normal energy level I would have been out of house since I never

intended to stay in house left to me by family, just clean it out, take care of

some necessary repairs and sell it but overwhelming fatigue kept me in house.

Professional testors never DID say that I should retest in summer for example or

mention that the very, very low humidity in my house in winter, 28%, could have

kept mold test results low. So much for professional testors being THE ANSWER!

I got testors name from one of the organizations recommended here or on IEQ

group. My own decision to retest in summer

with CULTURE PLATES (uhum) and their results of which I just got back 6 weeks

ago which results were totally in line with my health situation, drove me out of

house recently. These plates were from Dallas Envir Center, not Home Depot, but

remember former tests done in winter were backed up by professional testing, so

not comparing Home Depot with Dallas Center plates but Home Depot & professional

testing compared to Dallas plates recently. I have been in extended stay type

of hotel (which has moldy a/c unit dripping on floor, which they fixed for me,

but...) where I have been for a month now. However I am not feeling better.

I have been looking at regular apartment to move to for more reasonable rate

but so far keep finding them to be very moldy, I believe due to window air

conditioning units. The few apartments I have found with central air, also have

carpet and just don't smell clean to me and due to fact I now have so many

allergies, looking for hard flooring, finding it not easy to find a place to

move to, which is another reason I was slow to leave house. When my house was

testing as FINE, where do you move to? I guess would say to some place you

are not reacting to but I don't react to anything that I can tell anyway, just

fatigue but the fatigue doesn't HIT me when I walk into a room. It's not that

fast. I DO feel better at work I have consistently noticed and interestingly I

have done *TWO mold culture plates from Home Depot* in my office and keep

getting NOTHING to grow. These tests were done several months apart and culture

kits bought at different Home Depots. It is the

ONLY place I get zero results from Home Depot kits is SAME PLACE...imagine

THAT, consistent results from Home Depot plates at the only place I have noticed

I feel better at. I could stay there for longer hours if the work weren't so

stressful that I get too tired after the parttime hours I am working. I have

held on to these culture plates and occasionally look at them and am amazed that

there is NOTHING in them each time I look. Last one I did is six weeks old now

and it has nothing in it. I've probably done about 20 home depot culture plates

over the last few years and have never gotten zero growth except the same place

twice, so I consider that VERY consistent, both the test and lining up with my

*experience* as Carl has mentioned is important. I have purchased culture

plates from Dallas center and am going to run one of those at my office. I

cannot do a 'control' there as outside would be toooooo far away from my desk to

be relevant.

----- Original Message ----

From: Christ antares41_41@...

October 16, 2006

Shybasset--You do realize ragweed pollen has been out the past month? Are you

allergic to ragweed by any chance?

shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote: did this for 3 days, and the

burning eyes mouth nose throat, gi

issues,n NC heart palps are WORSE than before. The humidity is down to 42

inside now and temp got to 56, then after 4 hrs each day closed

windows and 10 minutes later the mold(or carpet) stuff came back WORSE

than it was a week ago.....are there mold spores in the outside fall

air getting in home??? I live in NC....am REALLY getting worse...went

to ER a month ago and almost this a.m. dut to BAD burning in

body....am weak...have hepa air purifier in bedroom, but on full blast

last night I was unable to sleep...have no where to go....have boxes

from my move in garage, and some may have mold....all rooms are

carpeted(thought my issue MIGHT be NEW carpet off-gas. Haven't run

ac/heater in over 3 weeks, so not that " directly " ....who other than

Barb and myself are STILL living in a MOLLD sickhouse? And how are you

coping?

I checked with several carpet retailers....they all say that MOST

carpet will have some/lots of formaldehyde/pesticides. My heart has

pains in it for past 3 days and awful burning in respiratory.

Cpmment as you feel led, please. Thanks Steve

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October 16, 2006

I am confused as to how you could have such intense symptoms as

heart palpitations,and not just leave your environment permanently.

There is only one mold test worth taking. That test is conducted in

the following manner. " You walk out your house door-lock the door

behind you-stay out of your house for 30 days-If you are alive and

feeling significantly better in 30 days, the mold test has worked. "

Do not wait until you find permanent accomodations. Move into

something temporary. Preferably something without room air

conditioners and without central air conditioning also. (The current

season is winter) This is a TEMPORARY accomodation, for the sole

purpose of conducting the " mold test " that I have described above.

This does not have to be a place you will want to live in

permanently. It is a " detoxifying chamber " to allow the heart

palpitations to stop and your thinking to clear up enough to be able

to make " permanent " housing decisions. Try to avoid CARPETED

detoxifying chambers. If a room air conditioner has dripped on

carpeting, you can be sure that there is mold in the carpeting. If

you realize that you have left something important behind in

the " mold house " , send someone else into the house to get it for

you. From my own personal experience, I can tell you that a five

minute return visit to the mold house sets the body's immune system

back to when the body lived in the mold house full-time. After that

five minute return visit, you will need another thirty days before

your body is healthy. If, after a week in the " detoxifying chamber " ,

you still have heart palpitations and feel deathly ill, move to

another " detoxifying chamber " . From the comfort of your

new " detoxifying chamber " you can later decide that you have made

too radical a decision in moving out of the mold house, and then

decide to do something else. Good luck.

>

> One reason I am still in mold house is due to being too fatigued

to get out. However I have to add that air tests on my home were

completely within normal limits and so my resolve to move was not

high. I figured my problem was due to immune suppression due to a

prescription medicine I was taking, Epstein Barr test results that

were positive, and cancer surgery...need I go on?. HOWEVER, had I a

normal energy level I would have been out of house since I never

intended to stay in house left to me by family, just clean it out,

take care of some necessary repairs and sell it but overwhelming

fatigue kept me in house. Professional testors never DID say that I

should retest in summer for example or mention that the very, very

low humidity in my house in winter, 28%, could have kept mold test

results low. So much for professional testors being THE ANSWER! I

got testors name from one of the organizations recommended here or

on IEQ group. My own decision to retest in summer

> with CULTURE PLATES (uhum) and their results of which I just got

back 6 weeks ago which results were totally in line with my health

situation, drove me out of house recently. These plates were from

Dallas Envir Center, not Home Depot, but remember former tests done

in winter were backed up by professional testing, so not comparing

Home Depot with Dallas Center plates but Home Depot & professional

testing compared to Dallas plates recently. I have been in extended

stay type of hotel (which has moldy a/c unit dripping on floor,

which they fixed for me, but...) where I have been for a month now.

However I am not feeling better.

>

> I have been looking at regular apartment to move to for more

reasonable rate but so far keep finding them to be very moldy, I

believe due to window air conditioning units. The few apartments I

have found with central air, also have carpet and just don't smell

clean to me and due to fact I now have so many allergies, looking

for hard flooring, finding it not easy to find a place to move to,

which is another reason I was slow to leave house. When my house

was testing as FINE, where do you move to? I guess would say

to some place you are not reacting to but I don't react to anything

that I can tell anyway, just fatigue but the fatigue doesn't HIT me

when I walk into a room. It's not that fast. I DO feel better at

work I have consistently noticed and interestingly I have done *TWO

mold culture plates from Home Depot* in my office and keep getting

NOTHING to grow. These tests were done several months apart and

culture kits bought at different Home Depots. It is the

> ONLY place I get zero results from Home Depot kits is SAME

PLACE...imagine THAT, consistent results from Home Depot plates at

the only place I have noticed I feel better at. I could stay there

for longer hours if the work weren't so stressful that I get too

tired after the parttime hours I am working. I have held on to

these culture plates and occasionally look at them and am amazed

that there is NOTHING in them each time I look. Last one I did is

six weeks old now and it has nothing in it. I've probably done

about 20 home depot culture plates over the last few years and have

never gotten zero growth except the same place twice, so I consider

that VERY consistent, both the test and lining up with my

*experience* as Carl has mentioned is important. I have purchased

culture plates from Dallas center and am going to run one of those

at my office. I cannot do a 'control' there as outside would be

toooooo far away from my desk to be relevant.

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Christ antares41_41@...

>

October 16, 2006

Hey Steve,

I'm in NC too. I don't have the burning, but I do have a heaviness in my chest

when I try to inhale. My sinuses

hurt so bad last week I felt like my head was going to

literally explode. Ended up going to the health food store and getting a nasal

spray that has grapefruit seed extract

in it--helps a lot. My kids are still having some trouble

getting a breath, having nosebleeds, sinus stuffiness. I woke up early today

thinking how I don't really know if it's mold, I'm still not sure how to get the

place tested for mold,

wondering if its anxiety that's making it hard for me to breathe, feeling the

weird frontal headache coming on that preceded my extreme fatigue in the

past...stuff like that. Then I thought about all of my stuff, mostly my books,

that

may be 'infected' with mold and I may have to dispose of?

I am not much help, I suppose, Steve, but to tell you you are not alone. I have

also had a tightness in my chest lately, first thought it was my heart but now

think it's my lung. My husband and I know we need to do something but

not sure what at this point. Thank God it's a rental.

Cathe

[] Made matters WORSE opening windows all over

house..................

did this for 3 days, and the burning eyes mouth nose throat, gi

issues, heart palps are WORSE than before. The humidity is down to 42