Re: scientists uncover why spanish flu was so deadly

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Scientists uncover why Spanish flu was so deadly By Reaney

Thu Sep 28, 8:10 AM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - The 1918 Spanish flu that killed up to 50 million

people worldwide caused a severe immune response which may help to

explain why it was so deadly, American scientists said on Wednesday.

The pandemic was one of the worst in recorded history and killed

more people than World War I. But researchers did not understand

what made it so lethal.

By infecting mice with a reconstructed version of the 1918 virus and

monitoring their response, a team of scientists believe they have

found some clues to solve the puzzle as well as a possible new way

to fight pandemic flu.

" What we think is happening is that the host's inflammatory response

is being highly activated by the virus, and that response is making

the virus much more damaging to the host, " said Dr Kash, of the

University of Washington in Seattle, who headed the research team.

" It is an overblown inflammatory response, " he said in an interview,

adding that it could have caused a similar immune response in humans.

Kash and his team, whose research is reported online in the journal

Nature, believe targeting the patient's immune system response

against the infection, as well as the virus itself, could provide a

two-pronged attack against pandemic flu.

Scientists fear the next pandemic could occur if the H5N1 bird flu

virus that has killed more than 145 people since 2003 mutates into a

strain that becomes highly infectious in humans.

The Spanish flu pandemic was caused by the H1N1 influenza strain.

Unlike other flu viruses that afflict mainly the elderly and

children, the 1918 pandemic struck young adults and people without

immune system problems.

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The interesting point about the demographics of Spanish Flu it that

the postviral sequalae were described to me as including unusual

sensitivities to chemicals, and we are certainly seeing a dramatic

increase in MCS. One can go back in my old messages and see that I

claim that " Mold reactivity IS MCS " .

Another interesting thing about Spanish Flu is that the mutation

that made it so deadly was conjugation of a gene sequence that

programmed the cells to produce NS1, NonStructural One protein RNA

dysregulator of inflammatory response as a separate entity from the

virus. It is no great secret that Spanish Flu achieved its

pathogenesis from a specially enhanced inflammatory response.

People keep pointing to Stress Induced Neurasthenia in World War One

as an example of extreme stress resulting in a epidemic of mental

illness and keep telling us to forget that these soldiers had all

been exposed to Spanish Flu.

If humans have conducted wars on a fairly regular basis throughout

our history, and such battlefield trauma was not consistently

associated with such mental disorders, then might it not be more

likely that connection between Neurasthenia and this particular war

might be that they were postviral survivors?

And if that NS1 inflammatory response is cellularly programmed

separately from the virus, might not that programming remain and

possibly be somewhere in those " Junk Genes " ?

Just waiting to be expressed by a cytokine inflammatory illness?

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lol's, well, alrighty than, that explains everything. and I mean

everything! have a good one erik, if I get to missing you I will

just call a local doctor. you know,like one of the arrogant sob's you

like so well. one of those closed minded know it all types.lol's,

believe me I understand you better than you think. I have a sister

just like ya.

to everyone else it was nice knowing you and you helped me more than

you know, stay strong. erik needs you worse than I do weather he can

admit to it or not. I'll be fine, I'm a fighter and have been my

whole life. like my family keeps telling me,I'm the strongest person

they've ever known. I desided quite a while back that I will no

longer deal with negitivity in my life. if I want to waist my energy

on trying to get a block head to expand thier knowledge beyond thier

realm of belief there are others more important to work on. I have

many things to work on so I really need the time anyway. KC and SC,

your both great, keep in touch. please e-mail me if something

amazeing happens. you know I just been putting off somethings and I

cant any longer. hang in there

everyone.

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> > <http://news./s/nm/20060928/hl_nm/spanishflu_dc_1>

> Scientists uncover why Spanish flu was so deadly By Reaney

> Thu Sep 28, 8:10 AM ET

>

>

>

> LONDON (Reuters) - The 1918 Spanish flu that killed up to 50

million

> people worldwide caused a severe immune response which may help to

> explain why it was so deadly, American scientists said on

Wednesday.

>

> The pandemic was one of the worst in recorded history and killed

> more people than World War I. But researchers did not understand

> what made it so lethal.

>

> By infecting mice with a reconstructed version of the 1918 virus

and

> monitoring their response, a team of scientists believe they have

> found some clues to solve the puzzle as well as a possible new way

> to fight pandemic flu.

>

> " What we think is happening is that the host's inflammatory

response

> is being highly activated by the virus, and that response is making

> the virus much more damaging to the host, " said Dr Kash, of

the

> University of Washington in Seattle, who headed the research team.

>

> " It is an overblown inflammatory response, " he said in an

interview,

> adding that it could have caused a similar immune response in

humans.

>

> Kash and his team, whose research is reported online in the journal

> Nature, believe targeting the patient's immune system response

> against the infection, as well as the virus itself, could provide a

> two-pronged attack against pandemic flu.

>

> Scientists fear the next pandemic could occur if the H5N1 bird flu

> virus that has killed more than 145 people since 2003 mutates into

a

> strain that becomes highly infectious in humans.

>

> The Spanish flu pandemic was caused by the H1N1 influenza strain.

> Unlike other flu viruses that afflict mainly the elderly and

> children, the 1918 pandemic struck young adults and people without

> immune system problems.

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> The interesting point about the demographics of Spanish Flu it that

> the postviral sequalae were described to me as including unusual

> sensitivities to chemicals, and we are certainly seeing a dramatic

> increase in MCS. One can go back in my old messages and see that I

> claim that " Mold reactivity IS MCS " .

> Another interesting thing about Spanish Flu is that the mutation

> that made it so deadly was conjugation of a gene sequence that

> programmed the cells to produce NS1, NonStructural One protein RNA

> dysregulator of inflammatory response as a separate entity from the

> virus. It is no great secret that Spanish Flu achieved its

> pathogenesis from a specially enhanced inflammatory response.

> People keep pointing to Stress Induced Neurasthenia in World War One

> as an example of extreme stress resulting in a epidemic of mental

> illness and keep telling us to forget that these soldiers had all

> been exposed to Spanish Flu.

> If humans have conducted wars on a fairly regular basis throughout

> our history, and such battlefield trauma was not consistently

> associated with such mental disorders, then might it not be more

> likely that connection between Neurasthenia and this particular war

> might be that they were postviral survivors?

>

> And if that NS1 inflammatory response is cellularly programmed

> separately from the virus, might not that programming remain and

> possibly be somewhere in those " Junk Genes " ?

> Just waiting to be expressed by a cytokine inflammatory illness?

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Thanks, Darlene

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> > > <http://news./s/nm/20060928/hl_nm/spanishflu_dc_1>

> > Scientists uncover why Spanish flu was so deadly By Reaney

> > Thu Sep 28, 8:10 AM ET

> >

> >

> >

> > LONDON (Reuters) - The 1918 Spanish flu that killed up to 50

> million

> > people worldwide caused a severe immune response which may help to

> > explain why it was so deadly, American scientists said on

> Wednesday.

> >

> > The pandemic was one of the worst in recorded history and killed

> > more people than World War I. But researchers did not understand

> > what made it so lethal.

> >

> > By infecting mice with a reconstructed version of the 1918 virus

> and

> > monitoring their response, a team of scientists believe they have

> > found some clues to solve the puzzle as well as a possible new way

> > to fight pandemic flu.

> >

> > " What we think is happening is that the host's inflammatory

> response

> > is being highly activated by the virus, and that response is making

> > the virus much more damaging to the host, " said Dr Kash, of

> the

> > University of Washington in Seattle, who headed the research team.

> >

> > " It is an overblown inflammatory response, " he said in an

> interview,

> > adding that it could have caused a similar immune response in

> humans.

> >

> > Kash and his team, whose research is reported online in the journal

> > Nature, believe targeting the patient's immune system response

> > against the infection, as well as the virus itself, could provide a

> > two-pronged attack against pandemic flu.

> >

> > Scientists fear the next pandemic could occur if the H5N1 bird flu

> > virus that has killed more than 145 people since 2003 mutates into

> a

> > strain that becomes highly infectious in humans.

> >

> > The Spanish flu pandemic was caused by the H1N1 influenza strain.

> > Unlike other flu viruses that afflict mainly the elderly and

> > children, the 1918 pandemic struck young adults and people without

> > immune system problems.

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > >

> > Message # Search: Advanced Start Topic

> > Dr. Cheney Message List Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:49 am

> >

> > Reply | Forward Message #73411 of 107421 < Prev | Next >

> >

> >

> > The interesting point about the demographics of Spanish Flu it that

> > the postviral sequalae were described to me as including unusual

> > sensitivities to chemicals, and we are certainly seeing a dramatic

> > increase in MCS. One can go back in my old messages and see that I

> > claim that " Mold reactivity IS MCS " .

> > Another interesting thing about Spanish Flu is that the mutation

> > that made it so deadly was conjugation of a gene sequence that

> > programmed the cells to produce NS1, NonStructural One protein RNA

> > dysregulator of inflammatory response as a separate entity from the

> > virus. It is no great secret that Spanish Flu achieved its

> > pathogenesis from a specially enhanced inflammatory response.

> > People keep pointing to Stress Induced Neurasthenia in World War One

> > as an example of extreme stress resulting in a epidemic of mental

> > illness and keep telling us to forget that these soldiers had all

> > been exposed to Spanish Flu.

> > If humans have conducted wars on a fairly regular basis throughout

> > our history, and such battlefield trauma was not consistently

> > associated with such mental disorders, then might it not be more

> > likely that connection between Neurasthenia and this particular war

> > might be that they were postviral survivors?

> >

> > And if that NS1 inflammatory response is cellularly programmed

> > separately from the virus, might not that programming remain and

> > possibly be somewhere in those " Junk Genes " ?

> > Just waiting to be expressed by a cytokine inflammatory illness?

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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:04:14 -0000, you wrote:

>If humans have conducted wars on a fairly regular basis throughout

>our history, and such battlefield trauma was not consistently

>associated with such mental disorders, then might it not be more

>likely that connection between Neurasthenia and this particular war

>might be that they were postviral survivors?

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I don't see how the epidemic broke out immediately after or during the

very last days of the war. The soldiers were diagnosed with

neurasthenia long before the flu epidemic broke out, in fact as early

as 1914. It would seem more likely to me that it was the chlorine and

mustard gas as well as all of the other toxins that soldiers would be

exposed to in the course of a war and the extreme lack of precautions

people exercised in that period when handling toxic materials.

And how would you explain the absence of neurasthenia diagnosis in

the millions of civilians that were also exposed to the virus?

Interestingly though as you say mental disorders associated with wars

are anything but consistent. They did seem to spike with the use of

agent orange, the multitude of toxins the gulf war vets were exposed

to, and of course in WWI the use of

chemical weapons. Also interesting being that the gulf war was fought

and won from the air few solders were exposed to battlefield trauma

but statistically far more " battlefield fatigue " than wars where

battlefield trauma was inescapable.

This is what makes me so angry with the medical establishment, you

have to be totally morally bankrupt to use your credibility to

establish the myth that these conditions are psychological. You have

to have the mind of Ted Bundy to do this.

Unfortunately their is no shortage of these types of individuals.

There is always one willing to step up to the plate.

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> >If humans have conducted wars on a fairly regular basis throughout

our history, and such battlefield trauma was not consistently

associated with such mental disorders, then might it not be more

likely that connection between Neurasthenia and this particular war

might be that they were postviral survivors?

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> I don't see how the epidemic broke out immediately after or during

the very last days of the war. The soldiers were diagnosed with

> neurasthenia long before the flu epidemic broke out, in fact as

early as 1914. It would seem more likely to me that it was the

chlorine and mustard gas as well as all of the other toxins that

soldiers would be exposed to in the course of a war and the extreme

lack of precautions people exercised in that period when handling

toxic materials.

>

> And how would you explain the absence of neurasthenia diagnosis in

> the millions of civilians that were also exposed to the virus?

>

>

: I thought that there WERE spouses and children at the time

who were diagnosed with neurasthenia. And the list of possible

causes could also include Bartonella Quintana " Trench Fever " .

I focused on the Spanish Flu because it shared the same

demographics with Royal Free ME and the Incline Village CFS

phenomenon.

AND because I spoke with an old time doctor who said that he

routinely observed MCS in civilian Spanish Flu survivors who had not

appeared to have been exposed to inordinate amounts of chemicals.

And the other interesting feature is that:

" A study attempted to reason why the disease had been so devastating

in certain localized regions, looking at the climate, the weather

and the racial composition of cities. They found humidity to be

linked with more severe epidemics as it " fosters the dissemination

of the bacteria, " (Committee on Atmosphere and Man, 1923). "

Except, of course, that Spanish Flu wasn't a bacteria.

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:55:38 -0000, you wrote:

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>: I thought that there WERE spouses and children at the time

>who were diagnosed with neurasthenia. And the list of possible

>causes could also include Bartonella Quintana " Trench Fever " .

I haven't read or heard about this. It's certainly possible but was it

anywhere nearly as prevalent as it was with the soldiers?

I know that they say GWS is contagious. So it is possible that WWI

vets suffered long term effects from some type of pathogen and

infected their families also. Something similar to trench fever, limes

disease, Spanish flue, I suppose. But as far as I am aware of new

victims stopped right around the same time they quit using chemical

weapons. That's why I lean very heavily on chemicals for the cause but

not hell bent on this conclusion.

Its fact that certain chemicals as well as radiation destroy the

immune system. It's also fact this leaves the body vulnerable to

pathogens that ordinarily would not harm it. It's not a giant leap to

suppose that mold is one of these pathogens.

I have often pondered over the possibility that they might have been

moldies also.

A lot of them went on to be homeless and lived outdoors as bums. They

probably figured out when they went outdoors they got better and

adopted the lifestyle.

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Christ <antares41_41@...> wrote:

> A lot of them went on to be homeless and lived outdoors as bums.

They probably figured out when they went outdoors they got better and

adopted the lifestyle.

>

>

Yes. I simply went and asked, looking for clues.

Got a great story about a Vietnam vet that I met at Wolf Creek who

precisely fit the profile.

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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:58:47 -0000, you wrote:

> Yes. I simply went and asked, looking for clues.

>Got a great story about a Vietnam vet that I met at Wolf Creek who

>precisely fit the profile.

>-

I have also wondered how many GWS sufferers would improve with mold

avoidance disciplines. I even posted at gulfwarvets.com to see if

people have made the connection between mold and their illness but

only got one reply aknowleging the connectiion.