Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

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Food-grade hydrogen peroxide in the correct dilutions will accomplish what you mention. This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand. For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell . Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.Kurtis Stavenwww.wildthingorganics.ca

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HiWhat are they using to bring the protien leval to 16% ThanksGreg in MiSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Centennial Wireless.Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:23:36 -0700To: <RawDairy >Subject: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand. For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell .Chris

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What has is much less expensive and easier to get I think then hydrogen peroxide. Five gallons of concentrate will last me a month.

Chris

Food-grade hydrogen peroxide in the correct dilutions will accomplish what you mention.

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell .

Chris

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

[Guest guest]

What has is much less expensive and easier to get I think then hydrogen peroxide. Five gallons of concentrate will last me a month.

Chris

Food-grade hydrogen peroxide in the correct dilutions will accomplish what you mention.

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell .

Chris

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

[Guest guest]

What has is much less expensive and easier to get I think then hydrogen peroxide. Five gallons of concentrate will last me a month.

Chris

Food-grade hydrogen peroxide in the correct dilutions will accomplish what you mention.

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell .

Chris

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Kurtis Staven

www.wildthingorganics.ca

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We have used a no corn and no soy ration at 14.5 % with great results. However we used spectacular forage. We are currently using a 14% ration with no soy and the animals are doing great, lots of milk. But again we are using a very nice 3rd cutting balage grass /alfalfa/ clover mix. High protein is not necessary to high milk production, just incredibly good forage and the right minerals and a nicely balanced grain ration.

Fishmeal

alfalfa

wheat mids

flax

linseed meal

brewers yeast/ daimond x products

are some things that you can use for protein, by the time you kick out corn with a protein low of 6% and replace it with higher protein feeds that are high in energy you don'[t need much more protein then that comes from one or two of the above sources.

Rhonda

Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLCgmail cell .

Chris

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Our experience with fishmeal was NOT a good one. Not only could you taste it in the milk, you could SMELL it! And it was undrinkable.To: RawDairy Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 10:08:18 AMSubject: Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

We have used a no corn and no soy ration at 14.5 % with great results. However we used spectacular forage. We are currently using a 14% ration with no soy and the animals are doing great, lots of milk. But again we are using a very nice 3rd cutting balage grass /alfalfa/ clover mix. High protein is not necessary to high milk production, just incredibly good forage and the right minerals and a nicely balanced grain ration.

Fishmeal

alfalfa

wheat mids

flax

linseed meal

brewers yeast/ daimond x products

are some things that you can use for protein, by the time you kick out corn with a protein low of 6% and replace it with higher protein feeds that are high in energy you don'[t need much more protein then that comes from one or two of the above sources.

Rhonda

Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLC@ gmail.com cell .

Chris

[Guest guest]

Our experience with fishmeal was NOT a good one. Not only could you taste it in the milk, you could SMELL it! And it was undrinkable.To: RawDairy Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 10:08:18 AMSubject: Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

We have used a no corn and no soy ration at 14.5 % with great results. However we used spectacular forage. We are currently using a 14% ration with no soy and the animals are doing great, lots of milk. But again we are using a very nice 3rd cutting balage grass /alfalfa/ clover mix. High protein is not necessary to high milk production, just incredibly good forage and the right minerals and a nicely balanced grain ration.

Fishmeal

alfalfa

wheat mids

flax

linseed meal

brewers yeast/ daimond x products

are some things that you can use for protein, by the time you kick out corn with a protein low of 6% and replace it with higher protein feeds that are high in energy you don'[t need much more protein then that comes from one or two of the above sources.

Rhonda

Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLC@ gmail.com cell .

Chris

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You used too much it has to be under 2% of the ration. We milked 35 goats on a ration with fish meal and we had the sweetest milk of over 6 goat herds in a blind peer taste test our milk was chosen hands down as the sweetest milk.

our feed you could not smell it in at all. the key again is to keep it under 2% and you should have no problems at all. but above 3% according to the studies you will begin to notice the off flavor and smell.

Matt

Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

This is for those of us in W. Wa. If you have access or use X-Cel feeds. I wanted to let you know that they are making a Dairy 16 for me that is soy and corn free. I am getting it in 3 ton batches but if there is enough interest in it they will make it and have it on demand.

For those who would like a good sanitizer and cleaner. I wanted to let you know that I am getting a very good one from Walterick. I make my sanitizer only once every two weeks and it holds nicely for that time. Since starting to use it I have not had a failed test. I am using it at 200 ppm and it is working well. I use a 15 gallon garbage pail and keep it covered when not in use. I use this as my dip tank for sanitizing. I leave stuff in for 5 min. and that is all it takes. It dissipates in one hour. He has a good wash solution too. I don't have to do any acid washes or anything else to the buckets and they come out clean and shiny. I dilute it 3 to one. Both are very economical. can be reached at clarentisLLC@ gmail.com cell .

Chris

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You are wrong, I have heard too many homesteader stories of cows going along the river and eating fish that had been trapped when the water receded, to think it was made up and The Icelanders have fed fish to their cows sheep and horses for a millennia or so.( and probably their goats too if they have them)

Its not so uncommon as you might think.

Absolute statements like always and never, are not wise to make unless you happen to be the Creator.

matt

Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

Goats don't eat fish. Cows don't eat fish.

OakMoon Farm & Creamerywww.oakmoonfarm.webs.com

[Guest guest]

The cattle would be extremely mineral deficient if they were eating fish. I

heard a story of starving (mineral deficient)steers eating dead rabbits to get

the minerals they need from the bones. Just because something freak happens

occasionally in nature is no reason to do it on a regular basis. Deficient

cattle will also drink urine from other animals. Should we feed them urine, too?

It is far better to give them access to mineral rich forage.

Cows are herbivores. Feeding any meat, blood, chicken crap, feathers or fish

is not part of their natural/normal diet. If we look at the clean foods God gave

us to eat, they are herbivores (chew the cud and cloven hoof). If farmers would

have thought about that, they would have never turned their cows into garbage

disposal units.

Cheyenne

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> You are wrong, I have heard too many homesteader stories of cows going along

the river and eating fish that had been trapped when the water receded, to think

it was made up and The Icelanders have fed fish to their cows sheep and horses

for a millennia or so.( and probably their goats too if they have them)

>

> Its not so uncommon as you might think.

>

> Absolute statements like always and never, are not wise to make unless you

happen to be the Creator.

>

> matt

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:

> Goats don't eat fish. Cows don't eat fish.

>

>

> OakMoon Farm & Creamery

> www.oakmoonfarm.webs.com

>

[Guest guest]

The cattle would be extremely mineral deficient if they were eating fish. I

heard a story of starving (mineral deficient)steers eating dead rabbits to get

the minerals they need from the bones. Just because something freak happens

occasionally in nature is no reason to do it on a regular basis. Deficient

cattle will also drink urine from other animals. Should we feed them urine, too?

It is far better to give them access to mineral rich forage.

Cows are herbivores. Feeding any meat, blood, chicken crap, feathers or fish

is not part of their natural/normal diet. If we look at the clean foods God gave

us to eat, they are herbivores (chew the cud and cloven hoof). If farmers would

have thought about that, they would have never turned their cows into garbage

disposal units.

Cheyenne

>

> You are wrong, I have heard too many homesteader stories of cows going along

the river and eating fish that had been trapped when the water receded, to think

it was made up and The Icelanders have fed fish to their cows sheep and horses

for a millennia or so.( and probably their goats too if they have them)

>

> Its not so uncommon as you might think.

>

> Absolute statements like always and never, are not wise to make unless you

happen to be the Creator.

>

> matt

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:

> Goats don't eat fish. Cows don't eat fish.

>

>

> OakMoon Farm & Creamery

> www.oakmoonfarm.webs.com

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Unfortunately we live in a fallen world that is not as the Creator created it. and there are circumstances and environments where unnatural sauces of nutrition are needed.

Before the fall strictly and biblically speaking we where given to eat only nuts fruits and seeds. we did not eat potatoes lettuce or other plants....or milk cheese eggs or meat of any kind. someday we will go back to that diet, but for now we have to do the best with what we have. We must find the best and healthiest food we can afford for ourselves and our animals. That is not always the same in every circumstance. However there are principles that we live by. I personally and my family do not eat any unclean meats.......according to the bible, and actually I eat little meat at all, maybe 1 or2 times a year.

Matt

Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

The cattle would be extremely mineral deficient if they were eating fish. I heard a story of starving (mineral deficient)steers eating dead rabbits to get the minerals they need from the bones. Just because something freak happens occasionally in nature is no reason to do it on a regular basis. Deficient cattle will also drink urine from other animals. Should we feed them urine, too? It is far better to give them access to mineral rich forage.Cows are herbivores. Feeding any meat, blood, chicken crap, feathers or fish is not part of their natural/normal diet. If we look at the clean foods God gave us to eat, they are herbivores (chew the cud and cloven hoof). If farmers would have thought about that, they would have never turned their cows into garbage disposal units.Cheyenne>> You are wrong, I have heard too many homesteader stories of cows going along the river and eating fish that had been trapped when the water receded, to think it was made up and The Icelanders have fed fish to their cows sheep and horses for a millennia or so.( and probably their goats too if they have them)> > Its not so uncommon as you might think. > > Absolute statements like always and never, are not wise to make unless you happen to be the Creator.> > matt> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Goats don't eat fish. Cows don't eat fish.> > > OakMoon Farm & Creamery> www.oakmoonfarm.webs.com>

[Guest guest]

OK, MY goats don't eat fish. Though I've noticed they'll look wistfully at the chickens sometimes.......

OakMoon Farm & Creamerywww.oakmoonfarm.webs.com

[Guest guest]

Mine don't either, not since the one time I tried it.I did once have a young barbdoe ram though, that would literally take you down for a cold out of the fridge, leftover piece of fried catfish!Deb FerrellTo: RawDairy Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 11:26:06 PMSubject: Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

OK, MY goats don't eat fish. Though I've noticed they'll look wistfully at the chickens sometimes... ....

OakMoon Farm & Creamerywww.oakmoonfarm. webs.com

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Most ruminants don't eat fish but to say they never do or won't ever choose to on their own in nature, is not accurate.............that is my point.

Mine don't either right now

Matt

Re: Feed and sanitizer/cleaner

OK, MY goats don't eat fish. Though I've noticed they'll look wistfully at the chickens sometimes... ....

OakMoon Farm & Creamerywww.oakmoonfarm. webs.com

[Guest guest]

I think it is a mistake to think that unnatural sources of nutrition are

needed. We have been given so much good info on soil fertility and animal

health, and how to do it, that there is no need for animal parts period.

That argument could be used to justify feeding cows to cows, look where that

got us, even though Mark Purdey showed it was from the pour on insecticides used

on unhealthy animals. We may live in a fallen world, but God gives us answers to

do a better job, if we seek them out. $cience has not done that, for love of

money, so we reap the whirlwind in sickness, disease, and death. But, we do not

have to.

That same argument could be used to justify all the poisons being used in

agriculture today. If we have healthy animals they don't need toxic band aides,

nor do our crops. What are the costs of feeding our children meat and milk from

cows given hormones, chemical wormers, and crops dowsed with poison? What do the

residues of those products do to their/our bodies? God gives us answers,

" modern " ag isn't interested. Their way isn't working very well. How long will

we suffer the consequences (judgment) of man's stupid greedy arrogance?

I understand where you are coming from, but I believe we can work with

creation and reap the rewards. Thy kingdom come on Earth as it is in heaven.

It's our job to do it right.

Cheyenne

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> I agree with you, Unfortunately we live in a fallen world that is not as the

Creator created it. and there are circumstances and environments where

unnatural sauces of nutrition are needed.

>

[Guest guest]

Unnatural sources is not the best word. By that I was not meaning manufactured.

Remember before the fall of man ( based on the bible). There where no carnivores period. Nothing ate the flesh of any animal. Lions etc. were vegetarians. so technically speaking. all carnivores or animals of any kind should not eat flesh. That is what I am saying that now. it is very difficult for some animals to get proper nutrition from a plant based diet. There is some very good research done on this whole subject that shows very convincing evidence that it possible for carnivores to thrive on a pure vegetable diet. However I still go back to my original point that there are places in this world that are so depleted and limited diets. In the extreme north for example, where there has to be alternative sources for nutrition...........and most of that comes from the sea as it is very fertile in the North.

Also sometimes we have to use stepping stones to get to the best. These stones may not be the best. for example good fish meal is better in my book then gmo soybean meal.........maybe not the best. but better. maybe we should not use any grain...........but there is a time for grain if your forages cannot sustain the animal. It takes time to get forage to a place that it has the nutrition to sustain a dairy animal. Also if you happen to have a animal bred for high concentrate inputs, you cannot just cut the grain off to her, or you may kill her, so until there is an alternative source or she learns to graze there has to be intermediate steps. We are all learning and growing and trying to move towards a better system of agriculture. In my understanding it is in the moving forward that we are farming right, and as long as we are doing better and trying to do better, then we will each eventually if we live long enough come to the rightplace..............but we can choose to stop anywhere along the way and then we are no longer farming right.

My 2 pence!

Matt

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I think it is a mistake to think that unnatural sources of nutrition are needed. We have been given so much good info on soil fertility and animal health, and how to do it, that there is no need for animal parts period. That argument could be used to justify feeding cows to cows, look where that got us, even though Mark Purdey showed it was from the pour on insecticides used on unhealthy animals. We may live in a fallen world, but God gives us answers to do a better job, if we seek them out. $cience has not done that, for love of money, so we reap the whirlwind in sickness, disease, and death. But, we do not have to.That same argument could be used to justify all the poisons being used in agriculture today. If we have healthy animals they don't need toxic band aides, nor do our crops. What are the costs of feeding our children meat and milk from cows given hormones, chemical wormers, and crops dowsed with poison? What do the residues of those products do to their/our bodies? God gives us answers, "modern" ag isn't interested. Their way isn't working very well. How long will we suffer the consequences (judgment) of man's stupid greedy arrogance?I understand where you are coming from, but I believe we can work with creation and reap the rewards. Thy kingdom come on Earth as it is in heaven. It's our job to do it right.Cheyenne >> I agree with you, Unfortunately we live in a fallen world that is not as the Creator created it. and there are circumstances and environments where unnatural sauces of nutrition are needed.>