Re: Rolling Uterus exerpts.

[Guest guest]

--heres one major way this is almost laughable.

there are 2 different things going on with brain.

what ever permanant damage your exposer caused and sensativity

affects from your illness.getting tested in several different

environments that have a varying effect on your brain from clean to

contaminated from what ever is going to affect the outcome of these

tests. thier really crasping at limbs here. there is nothing in this

study that proves anything.

they tottally ignored and put down people that complained about

smells bothering them showing they blantantly were ignoreing the

condition

that causes the brain affects and the other symptoms that go along

with getting a hit. weather you got to the pointof haveing mcs or

not, diagnosed with it or not, people know if perfumes and other

things cause a reaction with them and this was not encluded or

adjusted for or even considered. than theres permanent affects that

go with long term exposure. and these peoples exposure were what I

would consider short term, but long enough to do some damage with

high amounts envolved. this proves nothing, and the info. they didn't

include proably says more than what they did included. I have what

appear to be some permanat effects to my brain and than the added

lack of not being able to consentrate with I get a hit, some of these

can be so severe that I probaly couldn't do the testing myself.and

bad hits can also cause me to become more emotional and it is a

affect not a seperate thing. theres plenty of proof out there on the

affects of toxins on your brain, all kinds of toxins. I could

probably even get a little grouchy if they treated me that way.

- In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

> " In spite of the absence of findings on physical exam and lab

studies (even

> labs that confirmed the hysterical nature of their respiratory and

cardiac

> complaints), the somatoform patients seemed to readily adopt a

lifestyle of

> invalidism. We observed that one patient had enlisted her parents

to drive her

> and carry even lightweight bags for her. These patients appeared

truly

> convinced that they were ill "

>

>

> " First, these somatoform patients tended to demand an exceptional

degree of

> accommodation during evaluations. One patient asked to be moved to

another

> testing site because the perfume worn by another patient in the

waiting room was

> offensive. Another requested that testing be halted because the

examiner’s

> hair product was bothersome.

>

> Second, given enough time, the somatoform patients eventually

unmasked

> themselves with claims and behaviors that violated known medical

principles. The

> Sisyphean task of the somatoform patient, after all, is to simulate

illness

> using an essentially healthy body. For example, one patient

presented to the

> neuropsychological evaluation claiming to be unable to tolerate the

examination

> room, certain that “fumes†and “mold†were present. "

> Finally, the malingerers often overtly refused to cooperate with

the

> examination. One refused to provide a spontaneous report of

symptoms and instead

> insisted that the examiner ask specific questions regarding organ

systems, and

> refused to provide names of medical providers, ordering the

examiner to look in

> the records. One responded “I don’t know†to simple

questions, but was able

> to provide other answers, to even more complex questions, when

prodded.

> Resolutely focused on their physical symptoms, individuals with the

MMPI-2

> conversion profile classically demonstrate impaired capacity to

introspect into

> their own psychological functioning. In the case of our patients,

focus on

> the “mold exposure†and its alleged associated physical and

cognitive effects

> benefited them emotionally, diverting their attention from major

> psychosocial stressors or life problems they felt unable to solve.

> Some authors have posited that, rather than being dichotomous

concepts,

> malingering and somatoform presentations may lie on a continuum

between

> self-deception and other-deception, with some patients embodying

elements of both

> conditions

> The question often arises whether the presence of legitimate

physical illness

> could lead patients to produce elevations on scale 1

(hypochondriasis) and

> scale 3 (hysteria) of the MMPI-2. As Graham points out, many

clinicians assume

> that true medical problems are necessarily emotionally distressing

to

> patients, and that such distress will be reflected in highly

deviant scores on the

> MMPI-2 (Graham, 2000). Nonetheless, the major MMPI-2 reference

sources stress

> that patients with legitimate physical illness may show minor

elevations on

> the hypochondriasis scale, but do not obtain the significant

elevations we

> observed in the cases reported here:

> Analysis of MMPI-2 data for each patient included examination of

scores on

> the Lees-Haley Fake Bad Scale (FBS; Lees-Haley, English, & Glenn,

1991).

> [Told you so!!!!]

> The histories shared above reflect just how deceptive and

complicated

> allegations of “toxic mold†exposure can be. Certainly, these

six cases represent

> a small sample, and thus our findings require replication with a

larger n.

> However, based on the insights derived from these cases as well as

the enormous

> limitations of the current literature regarding “toxic mold,â€

we would

> argue for the following cautionary principles when performing

forensic

> evaluations of alleged toxic mold sufferers. First, a

multidisciplinary evaluation by

> neurologist, psychiatrist, and neuropsychologist is mandated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--yes Sharon, it's to bad that there are liers out there. they are

only hurting the rest of us. im glad they have tests to confirm that

but why didn't they find that out first and disclude those people

from the study? because of who was doing it and the purpose of doing

it this way.yes, all those involved had very fimular names.getting to

know these names pretty well. c, h, baloni crap.- In

, " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> --heres one major way this is almost laughable.

> there are 2 different things going on with brain.

> what ever permanant damage your exposer caused and sensativity

> affects from your illness.getting tested in several different

> environments that have a varying effect on your brain from clean to

> contaminated from what ever is going to affect the outcome of these

> tests. thier really crasping at limbs here. there is nothing in

this

> study that proves anything.

> they tottally ignored and put down people that complained about

> smells bothering them showing they blantantly were ignoreing the

> condition

> that causes the brain affects and the other symptoms that go along

> with getting a hit. weather you got to the pointof haveing mcs or

> not, diagnosed with it or not, people know if perfumes and other

> things cause a reaction with them and this was not encluded or

> adjusted for or even considered. than theres permanent affects that

> go with long term exposure. and these peoples exposure were what I

> would consider short term, but long enough to do some damage with

> high amounts envolved. this proves nothing, and the info. they

didn't

> include proably says more than what they did included. I have what

> appear to be some permanat effects to my brain and than the added

> lack of not being able to consentrate with I get a hit, some of

these

> can be so severe that I probaly couldn't do the testing myself.and

> bad hits can also cause me to become more emotional and it is a

> affect not a seperate thing. theres plenty of proof out there on

the

> affects of toxins on your brain, all kinds of toxins. I could

> probably even get a little grouchy if they treated me that way.

> - In , snk1955@ wrote:

> >

> > " In spite of the absence of findings on physical exam and lab

> studies (even

> > labs that confirmed the hysterical nature of their respiratory

and

> cardiac

> > complaints), the somatoform patients seemed to readily adopt a

> lifestyle of

> > invalidism. We observed that one patient had enlisted her

parents

> to drive her

> > and carry even lightweight bags for her. These patients appeared

> truly

> > convinced that they were ill "

> >

> >

> > " First, these somatoform patients tended to demand an exceptional

> degree of

> > accommodation during evaluations. One patient asked to be moved

to

> another

> > testing site because the perfume worn by another patient in the

> waiting room was

> > offensive. Another requested that testing be halted because the

> examiner’s

> > hair product was bothersome.

> >

> > Second, given enough time, the somatoform patients eventually

> unmasked

> > themselves with claims and behaviors that violated known medical

> principles. The

> > Sisyphean task of the somatoform patient, after all, is to

simulate

> illness

> > using an essentially healthy body. For example, one patient

> presented to the

> > neuropsychological evaluation claiming to be unable to tolerate

the

> examination

> > room, certain that “fumes†and “mold†were present. "

> > Finally, the malingerers often overtly refused to cooperate with

> the

> > examination. One refused to provide a spontaneous report of

> symptoms and instead

> > insisted that the examiner ask specific questions regarding organ

> systems, and

> > refused to provide names of medical providers, ordering the

> examiner to look in

> > the records. One responded “I don’t know†to simple

> questions, but was able

> > to provide other answers, to even more complex questions, when

> prodded.

> > Resolutely focused on their physical symptoms, individuals with

the

> MMPI-2

> > conversion profile classically demonstrate impaired capacity to

> introspect into

> > their own psychological functioning. In the case of our

patients,

> focus on

> > the “mold exposure†and its alleged associated physical and

> cognitive effects

> > benefited them emotionally, diverting their attention from major

> > psychosocial stressors or life problems they felt unable to

solve.

> > Some authors have posited that, rather than being dichotomous

> concepts,

> > malingering and somatoform presentations may lie on a continuum

> between

> > self-deception and other-deception, with some patients embodying

> elements of both

> > conditions

> > The question often arises whether the presence of legitimate

> physical illness

> > could lead patients to produce elevations on scale 1

> (hypochondriasis) and

> > scale 3 (hysteria) of the MMPI-2. As Graham points out, many

> clinicians assume

> > that true medical problems are necessarily emotionally

distressing

> to

> > patients, and that such distress will be reflected in highly

> deviant scores on the

> > MMPI-2 (Graham, 2000). Nonetheless, the major MMPI-2 reference

> sources stress

> > that patients with legitimate physical illness may show minor

> elevations on

> > the hypochondriasis scale, but do not obtain the significant

> elevations we

> > observed in the cases reported here:

> > Analysis of MMPI-2 data for each patient included examination of

> scores on

> > the Lees-Haley Fake Bad Scale (FBS; Lees-Haley, English, &

Glenn,

> 1991).

> > [Told you so!!!!]

> > The histories shared above reflect just how deceptive and

> complicated

> > allegations of “toxic mold†exposure can be. Certainly, these

> six cases represent

> > a small sample, and thus our findings require replication with a

> larger n.

> > However, based on the insights derived from these cases as well

as

> the enormous

> > limitations of the current literature regarding “toxic mold,â€

> we would

> > argue for the following cautionary principles when performing

> forensic

> > evaluations of alleged toxic mold sufferers. First, a

> multidisciplinary evaluation by

> > neurologist, psychiatrist, and neuropsychologist is mandated.

> >

> >

> >