PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone on the list had personal experience, with

yourself or clients, with the use of phosphatidyl serine as a

supplement to blunt cortisol response. A quick search on PubMed

showed a couple of studies that have indicated it may be useful, but

I am looking for real world experiences.

Thanks,

Mike

Boston, MA

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I am involved in research studying the effects of various supplements on

endocrine responses, particularly GH, IGF-1, Testosterone, and cortisol. I

am also the scientific advisor for a nutraceutical company, which is a raw

material supplier of PS in the US. The data I have reviewed, both published

and unpublished, indicates that PS can reduce cortisol levels. This effect

does not have a significant effect on body composition or strength for the

first 4-6 weeks. It's my opinion that if testosterone and GH are elevated

simultaneously while cortisol is reduced, significant effects on body

composition and performance can be measured. My assumption is that diet and

training are adequate.

Tom

Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

3810 NW 91st Terrace

Sunrise, FL 33351

Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I am involved in research studying the effects of various supplements on

endocrine responses, particularly GH, IGF-1, Testosterone, and cortisol. I

am also the scientific advisor for a nutraceutical company, which is a raw

material supplier of PS in the US. The data I have reviewed, both published

and unpublished, indicates that PS can reduce cortisol levels. This effect

does not have a significant effect on body composition or strength for the

first 4-6 weeks. It's my opinion that if testosterone and GH are elevated

simultaneously while cortisol is reduced, significant effects on body

composition and performance can be measured. My assumption is that diet and

training are adequate.

Tom

Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

3810 NW 91st Terrace

Sunrise, FL 33351

Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I am involved in research studying the effects of various supplements on

endocrine responses, particularly GH, IGF-1, Testosterone, and cortisol. I

am also the scientific advisor for a nutraceutical company, which is a raw

material supplier of PS in the US. The data I have reviewed, both published

and unpublished, indicates that PS can reduce cortisol levels. This effect

does not have a significant effect on body composition or strength for the

first 4-6 weeks. It's my opinion that if testosterone and GH are elevated

simultaneously while cortisol is reduced, significant effects on body

composition and performance can be measured. My assumption is that diet and

training are adequate.

Tom

Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

3810 NW 91st Terrace

Sunrise, FL 33351

Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

[Guest guest]

HI there

I use it. Every day actually. I do find that there is a difference between

when I take it or not. It seems to decrease the soreness, and the soreness

goes away much faster. As in half the time.

Cortisol seems to be a big problem with me, not sure why. In any event, what

success I've had seems to come from reducing it as much as possible.

martyn la fleur

vancouver

>

> Reply-To: Supertraining

> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:50:50 +0000

> To: Supertraining

> Subject: PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list had personal experience, with

> yourself or clients, with the use of phosphatidyl serine as a

> supplement to blunt cortisol response. A quick search on PubMed

> showed a couple of studies that have indicated it may be useful, but

> I am looking for real world experiences.

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

> Boston, MA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI there

I use it. Every day actually. I do find that there is a difference between

when I take it or not. It seems to decrease the soreness, and the soreness

goes away much faster. As in half the time.

Cortisol seems to be a big problem with me, not sure why. In any event, what

success I've had seems to come from reducing it as much as possible.

martyn la fleur

vancouver

>

> Reply-To: Supertraining

> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:50:50 +0000

> To: Supertraining

> Subject: PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list had personal experience, with

> yourself or clients, with the use of phosphatidyl serine as a

> supplement to blunt cortisol response. A quick search on PubMed

> showed a couple of studies that have indicated it may be useful, but

> I am looking for real world experiences.

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

> Boston, MA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI there

I use it. Every day actually. I do find that there is a difference between

when I take it or not. It seems to decrease the soreness, and the soreness

goes away much faster. As in half the time.

Cortisol seems to be a big problem with me, not sure why. In any event, what

success I've had seems to come from reducing it as much as possible.

martyn la fleur

vancouver

>

> Reply-To: Supertraining

> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:50:50 +0000

> To: Supertraining

> Subject: PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list had personal experience, with

> yourself or clients, with the use of phosphatidyl serine as a

> supplement to blunt cortisol response. A quick search on PubMed

> showed a couple of studies that have indicated it may be useful, but

> I am looking for real world experiences.

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

> Boston, MA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Martyn:

How do you know that cortisol is a problem for you? Have you had blood or

saliva measures of cortisol performed?

Several years ago at NIH there was an interesting presentation on

phosphatidylserine. It demonstrated that the subjects could train

significantly harder and longer while taking it. They also reported a

reduction in DOMS. Their Ratings of Perceived Effort were significantly

reduced for the same intensity/volume. If I recall correctly, the

investigators could not link this to any physiological events (ie creatine

kinase or neutrophil accumulation).

Tom

Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

3810 NW 91st Terrace

Sunrise, FL 33351

Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

[Guest guest]

Hi there

Well, I guess I have to plead guilty on reading commercial info and taking

it for rule. In my case, I have noted over the years, that I tended to fall

into the hard gainer mode. From there, I realized that muscle soreness and

the recovery from it seemed to take longer than most people noted. In other

words, I got sore faster, and it stuck around longer.

The PS seemed to take care of that, reducing the amount of soreness and

making it go away faster. The ads I had read promoted it as cortisol levels

being high, and that was what PS reduced. No, I do not have any blood

samples to show this scientifically.

sorry I can't be of more help.

I've also been taking Syntrabol, and it just about eliminates DOMS

completely. If not, the soreness is gone in 24 hours.

Do the 2 products work on similar areas?

martyn la fleur

vancouver

>

> Reply-To: Supertraining

> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:08:43 -0400

> To: Supertraining

> Subject: RE: PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

>

> Martyn:

>

> How do you know that cortisol is a problem for you? Have you had blood or

> saliva measures of cortisol performed?

>

> Several years ago at NIH there was an interesting presentation on

> phosphatidylserine. It demonstrated that the subjects could train

> significantly harder and longer while taking it. They also reported a

> reduction in DOMS. Their Ratings of Perceived Effort were significantly

> reduced for the same intensity/volume. If I recall correctly, the

> investigators could not link this to any physiological events (ie creatine

> kinase or neutrophil accumulation).

>

> Tom

>

> Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

> Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

> 3810 NW 91st Terrace

> Sunrise, FL 33351

>

> Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

> See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

> Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi there

Well, I guess I have to plead guilty on reading commercial info and taking

it for rule. In my case, I have noted over the years, that I tended to fall

into the hard gainer mode. From there, I realized that muscle soreness and

the recovery from it seemed to take longer than most people noted. In other

words, I got sore faster, and it stuck around longer.

The PS seemed to take care of that, reducing the amount of soreness and

making it go away faster. The ads I had read promoted it as cortisol levels

being high, and that was what PS reduced. No, I do not have any blood

samples to show this scientifically.

sorry I can't be of more help.

I've also been taking Syntrabol, and it just about eliminates DOMS

completely. If not, the soreness is gone in 24 hours.

Do the 2 products work on similar areas?

martyn la fleur

vancouver

>

> Reply-To: Supertraining

> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:08:43 -0400

> To: Supertraining

> Subject: RE: PhosphatidylSerine and Cortisol

>

> Martyn:

>

> How do you know that cortisol is a problem for you? Have you had blood or

> saliva measures of cortisol performed?

>

> Several years ago at NIH there was an interesting presentation on

> phosphatidylserine. It demonstrated that the subjects could train

> significantly harder and longer while taking it. They also reported a

> reduction in DOMS. Their Ratings of Perceived Effort were significantly

> reduced for the same intensity/volume. If I recall correctly, the

> investigators could not link this to any physiological events (ie creatine

> kinase or neutrophil accumulation).

>

> Tom

>

> Incledon, MS, RD, LD/LN, NSCA-CPT, CSCS

> Human Performance Specialists, Inc.

> 3810 NW 91st Terrace

> Sunrise, FL 33351

>

> Next seminars on: July 9-12 - Las Vegas

> See Tom give Strongman Exhibition!

> Find out details at: http://www.thomasincledon.com

>

>

>

>

>

> Modify or cancel your subscription here:

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

>

> Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you

> wish them to be published!

>

>

>

>