Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Now the football world cup is underway we are lucky to get a rare glimpse of the teams training sessions. Yesterday I saw the England team doing upside down cycling (supporting themselves with the elbows and head whilst waving the legs in the air). As specificity has appeared on the list again, can anyone tell me what is the thinking behind this exercise and what are the benefits. [When I played soccer as wee lad, we had to do that sort of warmup - doesn't the durability of such training beliefs over at least 50 years mean anything to you? Mel Siff] Roy Palmer Bedford UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 > Now the football world cup is underway we are lucky to get a rare > glimpse of the teams training sessions. Yesterday I saw the England > team doing upside down cycling (supporting themselves with the elbows > and head whilst waving the legs in the air). As specificity has > appeared on the list again, can anyone tell me what is the thinking > behind this exercise and what are the benefits. > > [When I played soccer as wee lad, we had to do that sort of warmup - > doesn't the durability of such training beliefs over at least 50 years mean anything to you? Mel Siff] *****I watched the England team do a number of plyometric drills including depth jumps (depth jump to second box etc)? Surely time spent completing other training would be far more beneficial - especially due to the physical demands of high intensity plyometric drills? So close to competition as well? It may be just a coincidence that a number of the players have been getting injuries. And it may be another coincidence that in the second half of the game against Sweden they all looked like old men (no offence). Is it a case of I did it that way when I played 40 years ago and I won the World Cup. Well you must be right! Haven't things changed since then? ------------------ Carruthers Wakefield UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Carruthers: >I watched the England team do a number of plyometric drills > including depth jumps (depth jump to second box etc)? Surely time > spent completing other training would be far more beneficial - > especially due to the physical demands of high intensity plyometric > drills? So close to competition as well? > > It may be just a coincidence that a number of the players have been > getting injuries. And it may be another coincidence that in the > second half of the game against Sweden they all looked like old men > (no offence). ** I often query whether some of the exercises may actually lead to an increased risk of injury and even reduce spontaneity (movement and thought - same thing). Can the repitition and contrived nature of 'exercise' have a detrimental effect on the chaotic nature of the nervous system? As an Englishman I was disappointed that the England players did not seem able to think for themselves and figure out their tactics against Sweden were not working. They just seemed 'programmed' to follow a plan regardless of its outcome. P.S. Are you guys in the States following the world cup? Your team played a blinder this morning (GMT) beating one of the favourites 3-2! Roy Palmer Bedford UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 <<<As an Englishman I was disappointed that the England players did not seem able to think for themselves and figure out their tactics against Sweden were not working. They just seemed 'programmed' to follow a plan regardless of its outcome.<<< ****I don't know if you watched the programme on Horizon about a week ago which examined the poor performances of the English team. How anxiety and expectations affect the brain. Below are a few extracts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/englandpatient.shtml The England football manager, Sven-Göran sson, believes that modern soccer matches are not won on the pitch, but inside people's minds. This film examines not just how sson got inside his players' brains, but how he is now starting nothing short of a revolution in English football thinking. sson's plan, devised with sports psychologist Dr Willi Railo, has two critical elements. These are to banish the crippling effects of the fear of failure from the minds of the England players, and to encourage them to train mentally as well as physically to reach the highest levels of performance - dubbed playing in 'the zone'. Neurologists and psychologists from some of Britain's most prestigious universities believe anxiety and the fear of failure can make top professionals turn in performances like amateurs, and that sson and Railo have a way to help the England team endure the pressure. Their view is that England's football past has been dogged by fear of failure. Piling on pressure and relying on patriotism to get people to perform doesn't work when - at heart - it's just 11 footballers taking on 11. If players accept they could lose (and that it's alright when they do) then they'll be less nervous and less prone to what's called 'choking'. When sportspeople choke, familiar instincts are overwhelmed by pressure. Monitoring shows that people use different parts of the brain to perform actions which they are learning and those which are second nature. If the brain reverts to its learning mode, motor skills are constrained and that 89th minute penalty kick goes right over the bar. Visualisation is fundamental to making sure people play to their best at all times. As far the brain is concerned, there's little difference between practising a movement and just thinking through it. By thinking in advance just how intense the pressure could be, sson's players can avoid choking when critical moments arise. sson has a further psychological ace to play. For all his talk and motivation, he knows he's not there on the pitch. To carry his thinking onto the field, he relies on so-called cultural architects, players whose thinking is so close to his own that they do his bidding without even realising. The captain, Beckham, is clearly one architect; the team keeps secret just whom the others might be. Sports psychology cannot predict whether England will win the World Cup. However, it does show that - for once - England are going into a major competition with an unprecedented degree of psychological preparedness, a critical advantage that the side has never boasted before. Thirty years of hurt may soon be over. -------------------------- Well we'll soon see about that on Friday. Carruthers Wakefield UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 >P.S. Are you guys in the States following the world cup? Your team >played a blinder this morning (GMT) beating one of the favourites 3-2! > >Roy Palmer >Bedford >UK Oh yes, every day at midnight, 2 and 4am! And yes, we did surprisingly well against Portugal although we tried hard at the end of the game to hand the Portuguese a draw. P.S. What is a blinder? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Roy Palmer wrote: I saw the England team doing upside down cycling (supporting themselves with the elbows and head whilst waving the legs in the air). As specificity has appeared on the list again, can anyone tell me what is the thinking behind this exercise and what are the benefits. I would suspect it was part of a recovery session (cool down) or just a joke for the cameras (just to get people talking??). Melbourne, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Roy Palmer wrote: I saw the England team doing upside down cycling (supporting themselves with the elbows and head whilst waving the legs in the air). As specificity has appeared on the list again, can anyone tell me what is the thinking behind this exercise and what are the benefits. I would suspect it was part of a recovery session (cool down) or just a joke for the cameras (just to get people talking??). Melbourne, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 I attended a conference several years ago and there was a representative from one of the universities discussing research they were doing with their football programming. Evidently, post-training sessions the athletes participated in a sub-maximal aquatic aerobic workout and then blood lactate levels were measured. Has this research surfaced or been published and if so, where is the reference? This will definitely be interesting to see if there is any performance/recoevery advantages? Meg Stolt, MS, CSCS New York, NY _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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