Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

[Guest guest]

Jeff, Carl or anyone,

Why are air conditioners put into windows in the

first place? Is it just so they can drain water

outside, or does the air conditioner use air from

outside or mix outside air with inside air in

anyway?

Why should we be concerned with fact that a/c

drips on ground outside of window...should we

check for excess ground mold or bacterial growth

there? ..or do you mean could cause an excess

moisture problem for house there?

Thanks

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

> Jeanine and others,

>

> In my opinion, the most important aspect of any

> A/C is the filtration. With

> excellent filtration, the inside (cooling) coil

> stays clean and there is

> little or no microbial growth. NO window A/C I

> am aware of comes equipped

> with the required minimum of MERV 6 (or 8)

> rated filtration, so you have to

> have room at the interior of the intake grille

> for a supplemental filter or

> place one over the exterior of the intake

> grille and tape it in place so

> that there is no leakage at the perimeter. WEB

> is one company that makes an

> electrostatic filter for window A/Cs (available

> from <www.Homeenv.com> for

> about $9). We have used this filter

> successfully on an Emerson A/C for

> years; we replaced the junk filter at the

> interior with the WEB one, since

> it fits nicely at the interior of this model.

> (The WEB is a foam filter; be

> very careful that any foam filter does NOT

> touch the coil or the dusty foam

> will become a source of mold!)

>

> I would not recommend repeatedly using vinegar

> for cleaning, as it is an

> acid and may corrode the aluminum fins.

> Hydrogen peroxide (or diluted bleach

> if you can tolerate it) in a sprayer, followed

> by a water rinse can be used

> to disinfect the coil (though keep in mind that

> very regular treatment with

> bleach can also corrode the fins).

>

> You should never really have dust on the coil

> to clean. If you do, the

> filtration is not adequate and you will

> inevitably have microbial growth.

>

> Finally, be aware that whatever you put into

> the A/C will eventually find

> its way to the ground under the A/C where the

> condensate drips. We always

> clean/disinfect our A/Cs only once in the

> spring outdoors, out of the case

> (but this may be too much of a project if you

> are not familiar with

> dismantling the case).

>

> C. May, M.A., CIAQP

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> 1522 Cambridge Street

> Cambridge, MA 02139

> 617-354-1055

> www.mayindoorair.com

> www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>

> >Re: air conditioner - how to test -- discard?

> service?

> >Posted by: " who " jeaninem660@...

> osisposis

> >Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 3:45 pm (PDT)

>

> >---I think as far as cleaning ac window units

> theri all about the

> >same. the main thing is constant maintance,

> weekly cleaning of coils

> >and with some water pressure so it washes on

> through and also washes

> >drain path. I dont think it hurts to open the

> drain hole up a little

> >to help draining and the main thing is to have

> the unit tilted for it

> >to drain properly. standing moisture inside

> unit, behind coils would

> >be a breeding ground for fungi. also I

> wouldn't use any coil cleaning

> >stuff(chemicals) I would just use white

> vinigar with water in a pump

> >up pressure sprayer.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All these discussions on air conditioning are very interesting.

So far the air conditioner mold plate we did is growing stuff and I'm sending it

off for analysis. The other plates are not. So maybe I have found the source,

which would be a relief to at least know what is going on.

I don't really know why air conditioners are put in windows in the first place.

In New York where I live that's just kind of how they are everywhere. Many

buildings are even built with special holes in the walls for air conditioners.

I always thought, but I may be wrong, that part of the reason that they needed

to go through to the outside was because of the freon, which naturally is okay

to spew into the environment outdoors and slowly kill the planet but not okay

for indoors.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori, Maybe they are put that way to throw the

heat outside. Maybe it has to do with freon

though since dehumidifiers throw off alot of heat

and they don't make those to go in windows.

Don't know.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> All these discussions on air conditioning are

> very interesting.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

>Posted by: " bbw " barb1283@... barb1283

>Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 7:18 am (PDT)

Barb,

One reason the A/C faces out is to drain the water.

Another is that basically all the A/C does is take heat from the air in one

space (the interior, thereby cooling the air) and transfer the heat to the

air in another space (the exterior, where the air is heated).

Freon is the gas used to make the transfer. It is continually recycled

within the compressor and the inside and outside coils. The Freon should not

leak out.Inside air circulates over the inside coil; outside air circulates

over the outside coil. The inside coil has its own blower and the outside

coil has its own fan.

The condensed water is frequently contaminated with microbial; growth

(mostly yeast and bacteria) but may also contain mold, so you don't want it

splasing around where there is an open window and a fan blowing in.

Some window AC units have an optional " fresh air " vent. Do not open this as

the outdoor air it allows in comes from within the case where the microbial

soup has been aerosolized by the splash ring (used to cool the outdoor

coil).

In one larger condo complex, all the individual heat pumps drained through

hoses into the parking garage onto the inclined ramps. The slime deposits

were quite colorful but a mess.

One final note: if you have either window or central A/C, do not use corn

starch body powder. Corn starch consists of microscopic biodegradable

granules and if the filtration is inefficient, the starch granules collect

on the coil and in the condensate tray, feeding the yeast and bacteria.

Use talc body powder instead (the fact that talc contained asbestos was

never true for US talc.)

C. May, M.A., CIAQP

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Jeff, Carl or anyone,

>Why are air conditioners put into windows in the

>first place? Is it just so they can drain water

>outside, or does the air conditioner use air from

>outside or mix outside air with inside air in

>anyway?

>Why should we be concerned with fact that a/c

>drips on ground outside of window...should we

>check for excess ground mold or bacterial growth

>there? ..or do you mean could cause an excess

>moisture problem for house there?

>Thanks

[Guest guest]

There reason air conditioners stick through the window or the wall is

to the separate the air it cools (inside) from where it dumps the

heat that was removed (to the outside). If it didn't penetrate the

wall the heat would go back to the inside air, re-heating what was

just cooled. Like a pump sucking water from a sinking boat with the

discharge going back into the boat instead of outside the boat.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> All these discussions on air conditioning are very interesting.

>

> So far the air conditioner mold plate we did is growing stuff and I'm sending

it off for analysis. The other plates are not. So maybe I have found the

source, which would be a relief to at least know what is going on.

>

> I don't really know why air conditioners are put in windows in the first

place. In New York where I live that's just kind of how they are everywhere.

Many buildings are even built with special holes in the walls for air

conditioners.

>

> I always thought, but I may be wrong, that part of the reason that they needed

to go through to the outside was because of the freon, which naturally is okay

to spew into the environment outdoors and slowly kill the planet but not okay

for indoors.

>

> Lori

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the explanation Jeff.

I'm looking for a hotel room to stay in while my

house is remediated, should I be concerned about

the window air conditioners I see in some?

All I can think of doing is one of my culture

plate tests. I guess I can turn the fan on high

for test and if their is a moldy problem it

should show up in test I would imagine.

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

The condensed water is frequently contaminated

> with microbial; growth

> (mostly yeast and bacteria) but may also

> contain mold, so you don't want it

> splasing around where there is an open window

> and a fan blowing in.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds logical but I guess it wasn't

apparent since a furnace doesn't dump cold air

back outside but my curiosity is solved. Thanks

--- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

>

> There reason air conditioners stick through the

> window or the wall is

> to the separate the air it cools (inside) from

> where it dumps

[Guest guest]

> This sounds logical but I guess it wasn't

> apparent since a furnace doesn't dump cold air

> back outside but my curiosity is solved.

In a way it does, also. There are two confusions here. Both furnace

and window units work exactly the same and neither directly " dump " or

transfer air anywhere. Only heat.

Both window units and " furnace " units use two different coils

connected by a " pipe " of freon (actually a different refrigerant is

now used). One coil cools inside air and the other gets rid of the

heat by heating the outside air.

Go to http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module13/AirConditioning.htm for

a clever animation that is worth a thousand words. Or, in my case,

closer to five thousand words! Notice the line down the middle

between the two coils. The air blowing over coil each must be kept

from mixing with each other or the air you just cooled will get

immediately reheated.

The only difference between a furnace a/c and a window a/c is the

location and distance between the two coils. The furnace has the

cooling coil inside the house with a compressor and its coil in a

different cabinet outside the house. The window unit uses exactly the

same process but the cooling coil and the heating coil are really

close together inside the same cabinet.

The two coils in the window unit are still connected only by the

refrigerant line just like for a furnace unit. But because the

cooling coil and the heating coil are close together the air blowing

over one can easily mix with the other. Which is why you need a

window or a wall to keep the newly chilled air separate from the hot

air.

Cars are exactly the same. Two coils. One coil to remove heat from

inside air and another coil (the radiator) to get rid of the heat to

the outside air.

Because the two coils are seperate, cleaning mold and dust from the

heating coil at the compressor won't remove mold and dust from the

air. That air doesn't come inside. The cooling coil is what needs to

be cleaned.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> This sounds logical but I guess it wasn't

> apparent since a furnace doesn't dump cold air

> back outside but my curiosity is solved. Thanks

>

> --- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > There reason air conditioners stick through the

> > window or the wall is

> > to the separate the air it cools (inside) from

> > where it dumps

[Guest guest]

Barb,

It is almost certain that there will be microbial growth in a hotel unit

since no window or wall A/C comes with MERV 8 filtration.

In addition, there is no guarantee that any sampling will tell you anything.

On page 62 of " My House is Killing Me! " I have a photo of a blower

completely covered with Cladosporium mold (I am ashamed to admit it) in my

window A/C. This happened years ago before I realized that A/C's could be

such a problem and I was my own " client. " I had sampled the air from the

unit and saw so few spores that I did not realize that there was even a

problem.

I would recommend that wherever you go, be prepared to filter the discharge

and intake air with a WEB electrostatic filter (which if you use at home

must be changed annually, NOT washed)and some duct tape to attach it. Better

still, if you can avoid it, don't even run the A/C. Find a hotel with

operable windows.

Also travel with some carpet protector (2'x200' roll, $45, www.pro-tect.com)

to prevent the allergens which will be in the carpet from being aerosolized.

This is 100% effective for allergenic carpet dust. (Just don't let any

cleaning people in once the layer is down, and remove it when you check out;

wear an N-95 mask for application and removal.)

Good luck.

BTW, there is a mold resource guide that you may find interesting under

" Tools and Resources " at: <www.themoneypit.com>

C. May, M.A., CIAQP

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

>Posted by: " bbw " barb1283@... barb1283

>Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 8:03 pm (PDT)

>Thanks for the explanation Jeff.

>I'm looking for a hotel room to stay in while my

>house is remediated, should I be concerned about

>the window air conditioners I see in some?

>All I can think of doing is one of my culture

>plate tests. I guess I can turn the fan on high

>for test and if their is a moldy problem it

>should show up in test I would imagine.

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

The condensed water is frequently contaminated

> with microbial; growth

> (mostly yeast and bacteria) but may also

> contain mold, so you don't want it

> splasing around where there is an open window

> and a fan blowing in.

>

[Guest guest]

--Barb, my visit to the mayo clinic I had to stay in a motel for a

week and a half. we had to change rooms 3 times before they put me in

one with a clean ac unit where I could breath, they were very

understanding about it because we had paid for the whole time up

front and I explained to them that I had 'severe allergies' and could

not tolerate the rooms. I would talk to them upfront and see how

welling they are to accomadate

you.

- In , " Jeff May " <jeff@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> It is almost certain that there will be microbial growth in a hotel

unit

> since no window or wall A/C comes with MERV 8 filtration.

>

> In addition, there is no guarantee that any sampling will tell you

anything.

> On page 62 of " My House is Killing Me! " I have a photo of a blower

> completely covered with Cladosporium mold (I am ashamed to admit

it) in my

> window A/C. This happened years ago before I realized that A/C's

could be

> such a problem and I was my own " client. " I had sampled the air

from the

> unit and saw so few spores that I did not realize that there was

even a

> problem.

>

> I would recommend that wherever you go, be prepared to filter the

discharge

> and intake air with a WEB electrostatic filter (which if you use at

home

> must be changed annually, NOT washed)and some duct tape to attach

it. Better

> still, if you can avoid it, don't even run the A/C. Find a hotel

with

> operable windows.

>

> Also travel with some carpet protector (2'x200' roll, $45, www.pro-

tect.com)

> to prevent the allergens which will be in the carpet from being

aerosolized.

> This is 100% effective for allergenic carpet dust. (Just don't let

any

> cleaning people in once the layer is down, and remove it when you

check out;

> wear an N-95 mask for application and removal.)

>

> Good luck.

>

> BTW, there is a mold resource guide that you may find interesting

under

> " Tools and Resources " at: <www.themoneypit.com>

>

> C. May, M.A., CIAQP

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> 1522 Cambridge Street

> Cambridge, MA 02139

> 617-354-1055

> www.mayindoorair.com

> www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>

>

>

> >Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

> >Posted by: " bbw " barb1283@... barb1283

> >Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 8:03 pm (PDT)

>

> >Thanks for the explanation Jeff.

>

> >I'm looking for a hotel room to stay in while my

> >house is remediated, should I be concerned about

> >the window air conditioners I see in some?

> >All I can think of doing is one of my culture

> >plate tests. I guess I can turn the fan on high

> >for test and if their is a moldy problem it

> >should show up in test I would imagine.

>

> --- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

>

> The condensed water is frequently contaminated

> > with microbial; growth

> > (mostly yeast and bacteria) but may also

> > contain mold, so you don't want it

> > splasing around where there is an open window

> > and a fan blowing in.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

Do you really think I could open the windows?

Air mold count here was nearly 5000 the other

day.

Is the Webb filter a fabric I can bend over a/c?

I'm in a hotel already for a week since I was

feeling so bad at home, looking for a small apt

to rent, hopefully hardwood or linoleum floors

while I pull up carpeting, and seal off attic

from rest of house, etc, etc, etc, etc.....!!

Do I need to get vinyl protectors into the

corners of carpet, or just make a path of it??

thanks

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

> Barb,

>

> It is almost certain that there will be

> microbial growth in a hotel unit

> since no window or wall A/C comes with MERV 8

> filtration.

[Guest guest]

Jeanine, how could you tell if it was clean? Did

you open it with screw driver or something?

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> --Barb, my visit to the mayo clinic I had to

> stay in a motel for a

> week and a half. we had to change rooms 3 times

> before they put me in

> one with a clean ac unit where I could breath,

> they were very

> understanding about it because we had paid for

> the whole time up

> front and I explained to them that I had

> 'severe allergies' and could

> not tolerate the rooms. I would talk to them

> upfront and see how

> welling they are to accomadate

> you.

>

[Guest guest]

I also went to Governor Bush With my Mold sign 4/15/04 I also went to City and

County Commissioners in Broward and Palm Beach County. the Boca Raton new and

the Palm Beach Post did a story on me teach the poor how to help themselves my

list goes on. I also took my mold sign to DC in 2002 the Home owners didn't

want people to know they where buying a death trap I stood on corners with my

mold sign.

and Now I'm back to stage 1, I took my sign and put it in a chair outside my

front door it reads are your Children living in Aspergillus!?. I have two sign

saying two different things I'm ill from Mold sleepless nights HUD gave the

landlord time to do something she wouldn't? she also cashed my check for this

month and charge me more than HUD allow and also have my share of next month

rent now go figure this one will be very interesting when I moved here doing my

interview Mold sign from this group and others on my car my T-shirts this is a

kicker. HUD gave me 60 days to move yet she filed and eviction on me my

Birthday was on the 4th Mrs. Wong called me. and I just hung up the phone over

and over she called telling me she's going to file eviction on me and I will

loose my Voucher!?. before that she was telling me I don't have the Voucher

she's the one that doesn't have it she disrespected myself and HUD. then she

called and asked me if I wanted her Attorneys # I said no then the eviction come

hummmm I can go on but long story.

OUCH!

Elvira

Elvira

[] Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

--Barb, my visit to the mayo clinic I had to stay in a motel for a

week and a half. we had to change rooms 3 times before they put me in

one with a clean ac unit where I could breath, they were very

understanding about it because we had paid for the whole time up

front and I explained to them that I had 'severe allergies' and could

not tolerate the rooms. I would talk to them upfront and see how

welling they are to accomadate

you.

- In , " Jeff May " <jeff@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> It is almost certain that there will be microbial growth in a hotel

unit

> since no window or wall A/C comes with MERV 8 filtration.

>

> In addition, there is no guarantee that any sampling will tell you

anything.

> On page 62 of " My House is Killing Me! " I have a photo of a blower

> completely covered with Cladosporium mold (I am ashamed to admit

it) in my

> window A/C. This happened years ago before I realized that A/C's

could be

> such a problem and I was my own " client. " I had sampled the air

from the

> unit and saw so few spores that I did not realize that there was

even a

> problem.

>

> I would recommend that wherever you go, be prepared to filter the

discharge

> and intake air with a WEB electrostatic filter (which if you use at

home

> must be changed annually, NOT washed)and some duct tape to attach

it. Better

> still, if you can avoid it, don't even run the A/C. Find a hotel

with

> operable windows.

>

> Also travel with some carpet protector (2'x200' roll, $45, www.pro-

tect.com)

> to prevent the allergens which will be in the carpet from being

aerosolized.

> This is 100% effective for allergenic carpet dust. (Just don't let

any

> cleaning people in once the layer is down, and remove it when you

check out;

> wear an N-95 mask for application and removal.)

>

> Good luck.

>

> BTW, there is a mold resource guide that you may find interesting

under

> " Tools and Resources " at: <www.themoneypit.com>

>

> C. May, M.A., CIAQP

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> 1522 Cambridge Street

> Cambridge, MA 02139

> 617-354-1055

> www.mayindoorair.com

> www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>

>

>

> >Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

> >Posted by: " bbw " barb1283@... barb1283

> >Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 8:03 pm (PDT)

>

> >Thanks for the explanation Jeff.

>

> >I'm looking for a hotel room to stay in while my

> >house is remediated, should I be concerned about

> >the window air conditioners I see in some?

> >All I can think of doing is one of my culture

> >plate tests. I guess I can turn the fan on high

> >for test and if their is a moldy problem it

> >should show up in test I would imagine.

>

> --- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

>

> The condensed water is frequently contaminated

> > with microbial; growth

> > (mostly yeast and bacteria) but may also

> > contain mold, so you don't want it

> > splasing around where there is an open window

> > and a fan blowing in.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

No matter how high the mold count, if most of it is basidiospores, for

example, it might not be a problem, so if you feel better in the outside

air, whatever the mold count, fresh air might be better than indoor air. It

all depends on what you are sensitized to and the concentrations in the air.

The WEB filter material is made by <www.webproducts.com> and the refill or

window A/C material is flexible (foam/mesh), can be shaped and cut easily

with a scissors (or taped together for a larger sized filter).

For eliminating allergen emissions from carpets it is essential to cover the

trafficked areas, less important for others since these will not be

disturbed.

Vinyl mats are much more expensive than the <www.pro-tect.com> polyethylene

with adhesive, but vinyl runner, which is thicker and has no adhesive, will

last a long time (though it may off-gas quite a bit for a while).

C. May, M.A., CIAQP

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

>Posted by: " bbw " barb1283@... barb1283

>Date: Sat Sep 9, 2006 4:01 am (PDT)

>Jeff,

>Do you really think I could open the windows?

>Air mold count here was nearly 5000 the other day.

>Is the Webb filter a fabric I can bend over a/c?

>I'm in a hotel already for a week since I was

>feeling so bad at home, looking for a small apt

>to rent, hopefully hardwood or linoleum floors

>while I pull up carpeting, and seal off attic

>from rest of house, etc, etc, etc, etc.....!!

>Do I need to get vinyl protectors into the

>corners of carpet, or just make a path of it??

thanks

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

When I look at apartments, how can I avoid these

problematic a/c's? Are central a/c's better

because they have filter? So I look for a/c that

can take a good filter?

Regarding webb. Opening I have is 5 inch by 29

inches long. Would I just tape them together?

I can get this material at Home Depot:

3M Filtrete Hammock Filter refill fabric that is

30X60. I can't find it anyplace else, even on

the web, only place I see it is at Home Depot.

Anyway, it is 16.99 for 12.5 sq ft. It says make

your own filter:

Here is link?

<http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

Then a link on same page to this electrostatic

hammock refill:

<http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

It says MERV 11. I thought 3M was also but don't

see a MERV rating on package anywhere. I thought

it did have one.

Have you looked in to these and think the Webb is

better product? I guess the Webb would be better

value since you can wash them, correct?

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

> Barb,

>

> No matter how high the mold count, if most of

> it is basidiospores

[Guest guest]

BARB--YOUR BEST BET MIGHT BE A NEWISH APARTMENT. LEIGH

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Jeff,

When I look at apartments, how can I avoid these

problematic a/c's? Are central a/c's better

because they have filter? So I look for a/c that

can take a good filter?

Regarding webb. Opening I have is 5 inch by 29

inches long. Would I just tape them together?

I can get this material at Home Depot:

3M Filtrete Hammock Filter refill fabric that is

30X60. I can't find it anyplace else, even on

the web, only place I see it is at Home Depot.

Anyway, it is 16.99 for 12.5 sq ft. It says make

your own filter:

Here is link?

<http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

Then a link on same page to this electrostatic

hammock refill:

<http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

It says MERV 11. I thought 3M was also but don't

see a MERV rating on package anywhere. I thought

it did have one.

Have you looked in to these and think the Webb is

better product? I guess the Webb would be better

value since you can wash them, correct?

--- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

> Barb,

>

> No matter how high the mold count, if most of

> it is basidiospores

[Guest guest]

A NEW APARTMENT????? Are you trying to KILL her?

YOu have new construction offgassing everything from styrene in the

carpets, to formaldehyde in the walls, glue, paint, cabinets, bathroom

sealants????

Along wiht the application of pesticides to make sure the apt is bug free.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leigh McCall-Alton wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:19:22 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

>

> BARB--YOUR BEST BET MIGHT BE A NEWISH APARTMENT. LEIGH

>

> bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Jeff,

>

> When I look at apartments, how can I avoid these

> problematic a/c's? Are central a/c's better

> because they have filter? So I look for a/c that

> can take a good filter?

>

> Regarding webb. Opening I have is 5 inch by 29

> inches long. Would I just tape them together?

>

> I can get this material at Home Depot:

> 3M Filtrete Hammock Filter refill fabric that is

> 30X60. I can't find it anyplace else, even on

> the web, only place I see it is at Home Depot.

> Anyway, it is 16.99 for 12.5 sq ft. It says make

> your own filter:

>

> Here is link?

> <http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

>

> Then a link on same page to this electrostatic

> hammock refill:

> <http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

>

> It says MERV 11. I thought 3M was also but don't

> see a MERV rating on package anywhere. I thought

> it did have one.

>

> Have you looked in to these and think the Webb is

> better product? I guess the Webb would be better

> value since you can wash them, correct?

>

> --- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

>

>> Barb,

>>

>> No matter how high the mold count, if most of

>> it is basidiospores

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

newish I said meaning 3 years old plus bbw has indicated to me that she is not

mcs. perhaps I misunderstood.

Angel!! <jap2bemc@...> wrote:

A NEW APARTMENT????? Are you trying to KILL her?

YOu have new construction offgassing everything from styrene in the

carpets, to formaldehyde in the walls, glue, paint, cabinets, bathroom

sealants????

Along wiht the application of pesticides to make sure the apt is bug free.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Leigh McCall-Alton wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:19:22 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: air conditioner - service? JEFF

>

> BARB--YOUR BEST BET MIGHT BE A NEWISH APARTMENT. LEIGH

>

> bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Jeff,

>

> When I look at apartments, how can I avoid these

> problematic a/c's? Are central a/c's better

> because they have filter? So I look for a/c that

> can take a good filter?

>

> Regarding webb. Opening I have is 5 inch by 29

> inches long. Would I just tape them together?

>

> I can get this material at Home Depot:

> 3M Filtrete Hammock Filter refill fabric that is

> 30X60. I can't find it anyplace else, even on

> the web, only place I see it is at Home Depot.

> Anyway, it is 16.99 for 12.5 sq ft. It says make

> your own filter:

>

> Here is link?

> <http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

>

> Then a link on same page to this electrostatic

> hammock refill:

> <http://tinyurl.com/g7rlx>

>

> It says MERV 11. I thought 3M was also but don't

> see a MERV rating on package anywhere. I thought

> it did have one.

>

> Have you looked in to these and think the Webb is

> better product? I guess the Webb would be better

> value since you can wash them, correct?

>

> --- Jeff May <jeff@...> wrote:

>

>> Barb,

>>

>> No matter how high the mold count, if most of

>> it is basidiospores

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leigh,

I am told that any a/c without a filter can cause

a mold problem right away, despite age.

However aside from that, I could look into newer

apartments. I don't know how I find where they

are. I haven't seen any in ads, described as

new. Also I am not sure since when I wanted to

do something around house and tried to arrange

for plywood to be delivered to house, all the

plywood I looked at was already moldy. I went to

several places and gave up, so I don't know why a

new place would be less moldy. I think a new

place will LOOK less moldy since it will not have

had time to spread extensively. An OLD place

that air tests good which be much better choice I

believe since it has apparently stood the test of

time, not likely to spring up after I move in.

If it's a new complex by builder that has

excellent reputation, probably okay but then I'm

gonig to pay alot, while I have a home too. I'm

looking for something inexpensive since I have a

large home to maintain AND REPAIR too.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> BARB--YOUR BEST BET MIGHT BE A NEWISH

> APARTMENT. LEIGH

>

>

[Guest guest]

I AM LOOKING FOR A SMALL PLACE MYSELF. THE CITY OF DALLAS IS MOSQUITO SPRAYING

MY NEIGHBOORHOOD SO I AM STAYING AT THE HOTEL TONIGHT IN ONE OF OUR DOCTORS

ROOMS. I CAN NOT GET IN FULL TIME NOW. IT FEELS GOOD IN THERE--NO 56 YEAR OLD

CRAWLSPACE. I AM ONLY STAYING 10 HOURS IN IT SO I DONT REALLY UNMASK.//DO YOU

GET BONE TIRED??? LIKE YOU CAN NOT MOVE ABOUT???<barb1283@...> wrote:

Hi Leigh,

I am told that any a/c without a filter can cause

a mold problem right away, despite age.

However aside from that, I could look into newer

apartments. I don't know how I find where they

are. I haven't seen any in ads, described as

new. Also I am not sure since when I wanted to

do something around house and tried to arrange

for plywood to be delivered to house, all the

plywood I looked at was already moldy. I went to

several places and gave up, so I don't know why a

new place would be less moldy. I think a new

place will LOOK less moldy since it will not have

had time to spread extensively. An OLD place

that air tests good which be much better choice I

believe since it has apparently stood the test of

time, not likely to spring up after I move in.

If it's a new complex by builder that has

excellent reputation, probably okay but then I'm

gonig to pay alot, while I have a home too. I'm

looking for something inexpensive since I have a

large home to maintain AND REPAIR too.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> BARB--YOUR BEST BET MIGHT BE A NEWISH

> APARTMENT. LEIGH

>

>