combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

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hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is

ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very

dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually

learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an

outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is

very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own

child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to

add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

gobika

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A good article on problem solving in ABA programs is:

Suzannah Ferraioli, and Tristram (2005) : A Model for

Problem Solving in Discrete Trial Training for Children With Autism -- JEIBI

2 (4), Pg.224 www.behavior-analyst-online.org

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I was wondering in what ways the ups and downs showed themselves --

what specifically seemed to set them off and how they manifested. I

guess since all concerned are ABA trained that is the first question

you will have asked yourselves so maybe it doesn't need answering.

Sally

jcautilli@... wrote:

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Sally, was this question

for me? If so, I suspect gutbugs sometimes, reactions to some supplements other

times. Lately I suspect seizures/ absences. The ups and downs manifest in terms

of ‘what comes out’. It he doesn’t actually regress or lose

skills but ‘disappears’ becomes withdrawn/ absent. He can also

become very very very obsessed and his interests narrow. When he is good, he is

happy and open and plays with lots of different things.

Sara

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Re: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

I was wondering in what ways the ups and downs showed

themselves -- what specifically seemed to set them off and how they manifested.

I guess since all concerned are ABA trained that is the first question you will

have asked yourselves so maybe it doesn't need answering.

Sally

jcautillicctckids wrote:

A good article on

problem solving in ABA programs is:

Suzannah Ferraioli, and Tristram (2005) : A Model for

Problem Solving in Discrete Trial Training for Children With Autism -- JEIBI

2 (4), Pg.224 www.behavior- analyst-online.

org

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You sound as if you've got it all sorted. I thought you were newer to

everything. Have you become ABA trained for your son? Or is it something you

used to do before?

I don't know any mums either that do therapy with their own child. I used to

manage to do a bit of it with ABA but now we do VB I never do any of it,

perhaps I should - he is my only child. It's hard isn't it? I think it's

cool that you know the limitations of your child's school but send him

anyway. It shows it's a happy place for him to be and gives you a little

break too.

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Re: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is

ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very

dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually

learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an

outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is

very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own

child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to

add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

gobika

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Hi Elaine

We do a lot of naming and pointing as part of Tom's programme. We

find the only way the words pop out is to take away the demand for

them initially and do " point to " or " give me the " . Then what's been

happening is that the word pops out on its own and we reinforce the

trial twice. So he gets two clicks if he both points and says the

word. He's also doing great at function although when you

say " what's this? " he might say " kick the ball " rather than

just " Ball " so perhaps we're going a bit fast for him.

We use the language builder cards from difflearn.com which are

ludicrously expensive $150 but have just made all the difference.

They're quite robust so they've lasted being used sevearl times a

day for six months. Some of the images are US which is complicated

but they're almost all useful.

We also use a programme called Picture This but it's such a faff

printing out and laminating your own cards and drives me to despair.

So I'm lazy and buy as many resources as possible. I also find with

Google images the quality isnt good enough when you come to print

them. Or perhaps thats my printer.

Steph x

>

> Hi Gobika,

>

> Elaine again.

>

> I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that

other parents

> have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We

started out

> doing ABA and after a couple of years switched to VB. But

did not do

> as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not

learn through

> the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for

him that he

> switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB

consultant

> agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and

then the

> mand. So we swapped back to ABA and he is making many more

gains. However

> in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a

table. It

> happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and

generalisation

> techniques. A good ABA or VB consultant/supervisor should have you

working

> with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

> On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been

involved in

> teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years

that I

> stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still

involved). The

> reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through

that now

> and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

> everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to

Friday,

> and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad

to have the

> house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

> Elaine

>

> combination of biomedical +

ABA/VBA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi All,

> > >

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and how

> >many

> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

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Hi Steph,

is doing really quite well on ABA now, but as you say,

like your son, he learns receptively first. Don’t know if this is any use to

you but have you tried with your functions v labelling to change the volume of

the word that he needs to attend to eg

WHAT’ S this?

What do you DO with this (ball)?

That really helped with functions.

The other thing that helped with this was

doing the following

‘You tell the TIME with a CLOCK’

‘What do you tell the TIME with?’

Anyway probably sounds like absolute

nonsense in an e-mail!

’s expressive language is

really coming along (although I would like it to be better than it is, but who

wouldn’t!) and written prompts which are faded quickly really help

especially with pronunciation.

really didn’t understand that ‘Can I have’ was three

different words until we used the written prompt. He thought it was canihave. But I think that going back to the

clicker would be great.

On a final note let me tell you something

lovely. loves pizza, but

hasn’t had one for a long time because he is SCD and we were being

careful with nuts. Anyway I made

him one at the weekend and when he had finished he sat down opposite me and

said mummy, mummy… I love you. I nearly burst out crying! Makes it all worth it.

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Hi Elaine

We do a lot of naming and pointing as part of Tom's programme. We

find the only way the words pop out is to take away the demand for

them initially and do " point to " or " give me the " . Then

what's been

happening is that the word pops out on its own and we reinforce the

trial twice. So he gets two clicks if he both points and says the

word. He's also doing great at function although when you

say " what's this? " he might say " kick the ball " rather than

just " Ball " so perhaps we're going a bit fast for him.

We use the language builder cards from difflearn.com which are

ludicrously expensive $150 but have just made all the difference.

They're quite robust so they've lasted being used sevearl times a

day for six months. Some of the images are US which is complicated

but they're almost all useful.

We also use a programme called Picture This but it's such a faff

printing out and laminating your own cards and drives me to despair.

So I'm lazy and buy as many resources as possible. I also find with

Google images the quality isnt good enough when you come to print

them. Or perhaps thats my printer.

Steph x

>

> Hi Gobika,

>

> Elaine again.

>

> I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that

other parents

> have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We

started out

> doing ABA

and after a couple of years switched to VB. But

did not do

> as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not

learn through

> the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for

him that he

> switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB

consultant

> agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and

then the

> mand. So we swapped back to ABA

and he is making many more

gains. However

> in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a

table. It

> happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and

generalisation

> techniques. A good ABA

or VB consultant/supervisor should have you

working

> with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

> On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been

involved in

> teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years

that I

> stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still

involved). The

> reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through

that now

> and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

> everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to

Friday,

> and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad

to have the

> house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

> Elaine

>

> combination of

biomedical +

ABA/VBA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi All,

> > >

> > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

and how

> >many

> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Oh wow. The last time my TOm said that he was 2 and a half. That

really does make it all worth while (even by proxy!!)

Yes, good tip on the emphasis. We're a bit guilty of trying to run

before we can walk - we're so excited to hear his voice again after so

long, and on a reliable basis that I'm practically chucking

Shakespeare at him....

Sxx

> >

> > Hi Gobika,

> >

> > Elaine again.

> >

> > I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that

> other parents

> > have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We

> started out

> > doing ABA and after a couple of years switched to VB. But

> did not do

> > as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not

> learn through

> > the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for

> him that he

> > switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB

> consultant

> > agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and

> then the

> > mand. So we swapped back to ABA and he is making many more

> gains. However

> > in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a

> table. It

> > happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and

> generalisation

> > techniques. A good ABA or VB consultant/supervis-or should have you

> working

> > with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

> > On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been

> involved in

> > teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years

> that I

> > stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still

> involved). The

> > reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through

> that now

> > and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

> > everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to

> Friday,

> > and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad

> to have the

> > house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

> > Elaine

> >

> > [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] combination of biomedical +

> ABA/VBA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hi All,

> > > >

> > > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

> and how

> > >many

> > > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > > >

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Steph,

Aldi is selling flash cards in a spiral book this week. Good quality cards each

book £1.99 covering a different subject - numbers, colours, shapes, addition,

etc - these could be used as language builder cards. They are selling some

preschool books and also Star Learning Diploma workbooks £1.39 covering many

subjects 5-7 yrs and 6-8yrs.

Worth checking out your local Aldi this week.

Bridget

>

>

> Date: 2007/02/22 Thu PM 06:16:50 GMT

> Autism Treatment

> Subject: Re: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>

> Hi Elaine

>

> We do a lot of naming and pointing as part of Tom's programme. We

> find the only way the words pop out is to take away the demand for

> them initially and do " point to " or " give me the " . Then what's been

> happening is that the word pops out on its own and we reinforce the

> trial twice. So he gets two clicks if he both points and says the

> word. He's also doing great at function although when you

> say " what's this? " he might say " kick the ball " rather than

> just " Ball " so perhaps we're going a bit fast for him.

>

> We use the language builder cards from difflearn.com which are

> ludicrously expensive $150 but have just made all the difference.

> They're quite robust so they've lasted being used sevearl times a

> day for six months. Some of the images are US which is complicated

> but they're almost all useful.

>

> We also use a programme called Picture This but it's such a faff

> printing out and laminating your own cards and drives me to despair.

> So I'm lazy and buy as many resources as possible. I also find with

> Google images the quality isnt good enough when you come to print

> them. Or perhaps thats my printer.

>

> Steph x

>

>

> >

> > Hi Gobika,

> >

> > Elaine again.

> >

> > I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that

> other parents

> > have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We

> started out

> > doing ABA and after a couple of years switched to VB. But

> did not do

> > as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not

> learn through

> > the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for

> him that he

> > switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB

> consultant

> > agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and

> then the

> > mand. So we swapped back to ABA and he is making many more

> gains. However

> > in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a

> table. It

> > happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and

> generalisation

> > techniques. A good ABA or VB consultant/supervisor should have you

> working

> > with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

> > On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been

> involved in

> > teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years

> that I

> > stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still

> involved). The

> > reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through

> that now

> > and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

> > everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to

> Friday,

> > and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad

> to have the

> > house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

> > Elaine

> >

> > combination of biomedical +

> ABA/VBA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hi All,

> > > >

> > > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

> and how

> > >many

> > > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > > >

> > > >gobika

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I just ordered FlashPro 2 from www.aba-materials.com and it's great! I think someone here recommended it.

There are over 10,000 images (who ever knew you might need 13 different pics of cows?) and you can select them to print different quantities per page from 1 to 8. I was looking at verb cards on DiffLearn and there is only one pic per action and the card sets are so expensive and aren't what we need (they didn't include hugging and kissing, shocking! such important things!) - so I just bought this CD. I think this should suffice for most needs.

Some of the pics are seriously dated but that's not really that important, they are isolated nicely without backgrounds, conflicting information. They were obviously made by one family though as similar or same people appear in lots of them although they vary the ages, sex of the subjects. It costs about £45 I think.

You still have to print and laminate but I guess you can't have everything in life you want, can ye?

Oh, and I don't recommend searching Google images for body parts!!!!!! Yikes! (Either medical grotesque or porn, lol.)

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OOh I love Aldi, thanks for the tip.There is a listing on Ebay currently for a language builder cd thatcontains over 1000 images to print off as photos. I've bought one -if it turns out to be good I'll post the sellers info.Steph x

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OOh I love Aldi, thanks for the tip.

There is a listing on Ebay currently for a language builder cd that

contains over 1000 images to print off as photos. I've bought one -

if it turns out to be good I'll post the sellers info.

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> > >

> > > Hi Gobika,

> > >

> > > Elaine again.

> > >

> > > I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that

> > other parents

> > > have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We

> > started out

> > > doing ABA and after a couple of years switched to VB. But

> > did not do

> > > as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not

> > learn through

> > > the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for

> > him that he

> > > switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB

> > consultant

> > > agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and

> > then the

> > > mand. So we swapped back to ABA and he is making many more

> > gains. However

> > > in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a

> > table. It

> > > happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and

> > generalisation

> > > techniques. A good ABA or VB consultant/supervisor should have you

> > working

> > > with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

> > > On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been

> > involved in

> > > teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years

> > that I

> > > stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still

> > involved). The

> > > reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through

> > that now

> > > and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

> > > everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to

> > Friday,

> > > and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad

> > to have the

> > > house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > > combination of biomedical +

> > ABA/VBA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

> > and how

> > > >many

> > > > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > > > >

> > > > >gobika

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>Re ABA /VB

Got to say alot of this is perception compared to reality. VB vs ABA

is not the issue: it's more about how flexible your provider is, how

willing they are to treat the parent as a partner in dedicing the

strategy and direction of your child's programme. Our provider UKYAP

are a Lovaas replica site (implying they are very LOvaas oriented )

but they are totally receptive to our ideas and the programme is

completely tailored to our child's deficits and strengths, not DTT

sitting at a table, very play and language oriented and totally

focused on generalisation, inferencing, social skills, etc. Our

consultant has been working on the programme for 2 years and is

absolutely astoundingly brilliant! The programme is VB/ABA - it's

got to be because the foundation is the same - Skinner's 1930s

behavioural science.

Plus our lead tutor comes from a totally VBbackground and the

programmes we are doing now and their delivery are EXACTLY what she

does with other VB providers (like BIG) What you need is a provider

with a 'broad church' approach which is not going to be too hung up

about doctrines to take on board other methods and approaches. Just

as there isn't a 'cookie cutter' approach to education or bio-meds,

neither is there to ABA/VB. Your child is an individual- and you, as

the child's parents should be working in partnership.

Rhona

> Hi again Gobika,

> Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go

with my

> personal opinion ...

> VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-

friendly and

> pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there

have been

> a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

although there

> are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that

they are, at

> best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back

with low

> expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids

at good

> special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids

very

> far.

> As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/

ABA are

> SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists,

and can

> get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth

every penny.

> What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical +

ABA/VBA

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and

how many

> >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> >

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