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We’re

doing VB and biomed with Tom aged 4 and 2 months. We started ABA when he was 2 and 8

months, switched to VB when he was 3 and 4 months. We went gf/ cf when he was 2

and 5 months and started real biomed when he was 3.

He’s doing well but he’s a

very up and down boy. Big ups and big downs. Often I look back and realise he

was better months and months ago. We get a lot of wows too though.

Are you doing both Gobika?

SARA x

combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

Hi All,

Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

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Hi Gobika

Was your son better before you started chelation?

What protocol are you using in terms of dose and frequency?

Do you give minerals during the chelation round?

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yes sara,

we are doing both.but started biomed at 3.5 and aba kind of same time.he was

non verbal initially until 4years plus.started to say papa and baba to

everything whenevr he wants something.but this came about 6-8 months ago.now

he is 5 yrs.no further developement yet which is very dissapointing.recent

urine analysis showed high levels of mercury and a bit of lead.

so planning to continue with DMSA supps and other supplements.he is only

getting ABA 10 hours a wk maximum as going to a special needs school during

day time.

thinking about doing ABA full time or something else.it is tough deciding

what is working and where should you invest the money and time.

gobika

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>Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:50:21 -0000

>

>We’re doing VB and biomed with Tom aged 4 and 2 months. We started ABA when

>he was 2 and 8 months, switched to VB when he was 3 and 4 months. We went

>gf/ cf when he was 2 and 5 months and started real biomed when he was 3.

>

>He’s doing well but he’s a very up and down boy. Big ups and big downs.

>Often I look back and realise he was better months and months ago. We get a

>lot of wows too though.

>

>Are you doing both Gobika?

>

>SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>

>

>

>Hi All,

>

>Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

>doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>

>gobika

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yes sara,

we are doing both.but started biomed at 3.5 and aba kind of same time.he was

non verbal initially until 4years plus.started to say papa and baba to

everything whenevr he wants something.but this came about 6-8 months ago.now

he is 5 yrs.no further developement yet which is very dissapointing.recent

urine analysis showed high levels of mercury and a bit of lead.

so planning to continue with DMSA supps and other supplements.he is only

getting ABA 10 hours a wk maximum as going to a special needs school during

day time.

thinking about doing ABA full time or something else.it is tough deciding

what is working and where should you invest the money and time.

gobika

>

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>Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:50:21 -0000

>

>We’re doing VB and biomed with Tom aged 4 and 2 months. We started ABA when

>he was 2 and 8 months, switched to VB when he was 3 and 4 months. We went

>gf/ cf when he was 2 and 5 months and started real biomed when he was 3.

>

>He’s doing well but he’s a very up and down boy. Big ups and big downs.

>Often I look back and realise he was better months and months ago. We get a

>lot of wows too though.

>

>Are you doing both Gobika?

>

>SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>

>

>

>Hi All,

>

>Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

>doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>

>gobika

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Hi again Gobika,

Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

personal opinion ...

VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly and

pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are, at

best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

far.

As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

SARA x

combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>

>

>

>Hi All,

>

>Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

>doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>

>gobika

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Hi again Gobika,

Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

personal opinion ...

VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly and

pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are, at

best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

far.

As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

SARA x

combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>

>

>

>Hi All,

>

>Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

>doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>

>gobika

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hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is

ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very

dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually

learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an

outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is

very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own

child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to

add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

gobika

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>Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:51 -0000

>

>Hi again Gobika,

>Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

>I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

>personal opinion ...

>VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly

>and

>pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

>a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

>are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are,

>at

>best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

>expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

>special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

>far.

>As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

>SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

>get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

>What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

>SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how

>many

> >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> >

> >gobika

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hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is

ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very

dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually

learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an

outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is

very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own

child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to

add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

gobika

>

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>Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:51 -0000

>

>Hi again Gobika,

>Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

>I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

>personal opinion ...

>VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly

>and

>pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

>a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

>are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are,

>at

>best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

>expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

>special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

>far.

>As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

>SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

>get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

>What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

>SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how

>many

> >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> >

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When you say he was better months ago what do you mean precisely. Could

you give an example? And what do the VB tutors say?

Sally

gobika jathese wrote:

hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

gobika

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Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:51 -0000

Hi again Gobika,

Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

personal opinion ...

VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly and

pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are, at

best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

far.

As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

SARA x

combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

Hi All,

Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how

many

doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

gobika

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Sally

gobika jathese wrote:

hi Sara,

we are doing VB through PEACH. we have one good tutor and the supervisor is ok.self funding for everything.

school as you say is a babysitting service for us.they are good and very dedicated caring teachers.but using the TEACH method.so he is actually learning more at home.but like going to school aswell as its a bit of an outing for him.

may be cut down on school hours.but then will need another tutor.

I am ABA trained aswell.se might do some work with him myself.but this is very difficult.I don't know how many mums and dads do VB with their own child.

Other BIOmed-he is on the GF,CF,Soya free diet.

on numerous supplements and methyl B12 injections.recently been advised to add in Vit K.and try TMG.

may try betacholine later after loading him with Vitamin A.

we are following advise from heard from breakspear.

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Subject: RE: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:51 -0000

Hi again Gobika,

Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go with my

personal opinion ...

VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more child-friendly and

pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there have been

a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although there

are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they are, at

best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at good

special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

far.

As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists, and can

get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every penny.

What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

SARA x

combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

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Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how

many

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Hi,

We are doing ABA & biomed. ABA for 6.5 years

and biomed 15 months. I would

have to say that the biggest and consistent gains in ABA have been in conjunction with biomed.

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Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and how many

doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

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no he was better after chelation,but for the last 5-6 months there are no

new developments.

he started speach then still the same now.not going anywhere further.thats

what i said is dissapointing.

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>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:08:29 EST

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>Was your son better before you started chelation?

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I know good schools are rare but there are some good schools. Tom's

now uses a combination of Growing Minds/VB with NET and anything else

that seems appropriate at that moment. I watched a DVD of Tom's one

to one teacher with him yesterday and she was getting him to do things

I've not managed (but ha ha the game is up TOm as I have the

evidence!!). He was rote counting, matching the right first letter,

naming, doing loads of switching from task to task, I could almost

hear his brain exercising.

I totally agree - don't assume that a special school is going to

educate your child to maximise his or her potential just because

they're " experts " but there ARE open minded and good autistic units

and schools out there, they are just shamefully thin on the ground.

We've managed to work in partnership with ours and they do a mixture

of what they want and what we want. And they're using trials with some

other kids now with good results.

I also agree about VB - it's just been a transformation for Tom. The

biomed got him more able to learn and then VB/Growing Minds/NET/DTT

all gave him back the ability to speak. We're still single words

mostly (apart from the occasional swearing and a recent " Look what I

can do now! " )

Growing Minds advocates 1000 discrete trials per day - it's possible

to do partly at school and mostly at home, it is apparently possible

to get all these into one day, every day. We're currently at about

500, you don't get there overnight but once you absorb trials into

every minute of the day " can you put that on the table? " click, " what

colour is this cushion? " click, " choose a video " click, " who is this

character " click it's so much easier than ABA and feels much less like

learning to the child. IMHO.

Steph x

>

> Hi again Gobika,

> Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go

with my

> personal opinion ...

> VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

child-friendly and

> pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there

have been

> a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although

there

> are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they

are, at

> best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

> expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at

good

> special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

> far.

> As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

> SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists,

and can

> get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every

penny.

> What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and

how many

> >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

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Hi Gobika,

Elaine again.

I know that sara finds VB much better and I have to agree that other parents

have said the same to me. However we are a bit different. We started out

doing ABA and after a couple of years switched to VB. But did not do

as well with VB. The reason for this was that did not learn through

the mand. His expressive language was so poor and difficult for him that he

switched off (regardless of good the reinforcement was). His VB consultant

agreed that he learned first receptively and then expressively and then the

mand. So we swapped back to ABA and he is making many more gains. However

in saying that we were never taught to do ABA sitting just at a table. It

happens everywhere using masses of different reinforcers and generalisation

techniques. A good ABA or VB consultant/supervisor should have you working

with your child everywhere. He can now learn through the mand.

On the subject of being a tutor yourself I have always been involved in

teaching and it has only been in the last couple of years that I

stopped taking whole sessions myself (although I am still involved). The

reason for stopping was I totally burned. Anyway we are through that now

and we are full on with his sessions now. has a session (if

everything goes to plan on a daily basis) every evening, Monday to Friday,

and 1 or 2 sessions on a Saturday. On a Sunday we are just glad to have the

house to ourselves! We are also self funded.

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Hi stephanie,

I have never looked at growing minds but

that is a fantastic idea of clicking 1000 discrete trials a day. I am going to get that up and running ASAP. Any other great ideas from growing minds or

recommended text etc..

Thanks

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of stephaniesirr

Sent: 22 February 2007 09:44

Autism Treatment

Subject:

Re: combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA

I know good schools are rare but there are some good

schools. Tom's

now uses a combination of Growing Minds/VB with NET and anything else

that seems appropriate at that moment. I watched a DVD of Tom's one

to one teacher with him yesterday and she was getting him to do things

I've not managed (but ha ha the game is up TOm as I have the

evidence!!). He was rote counting, matching the right first letter,

naming, doing loads of switching from task to task, I could almost

hear his brain exercising.

I totally agree - don't assume that a special school is going to

educate your child to maximise his or her potential just because

they're " experts " but there ARE open minded and good autistic units

and schools out there, they are just shamefully thin on the ground.

We've managed to work in partnership with ours and they do a mixture

of what they want and what we want. And they're using trials with some

other kids now with good results.

I also agree about VB - it's just been a transformation for Tom. The

biomed got him more able to learn and then VB/Growing Minds/NET/DTT

all gave him back the ability to speak. We're still single words

mostly (apart from the occasional swearing and a recent " Look what I

can do now! " )

Growing Minds advocates 1000 discrete trials per day - it's possible

to do partly at school and mostly at home, it is apparently possible

to get all these into one day, every day. We're currently at about

500, you don't get there overnight but once you absorb trials into

every minute of the day " can you put that on the table? " click,

" what

colour is this cushion? " click, " choose a video " click,

" who is this

character " click it's so much easier than ABA and feels much less like

learning to the child. IMHO.

Steph x

>

> Hi again Gobika,

> Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I go

with my

> personal opinion ...

> VB is LOADS better than ABA.

It is much more modern, more

child-friendly and

> pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there

have been

> a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and, although

there

> are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that they

are, at

> best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back with low

> expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids at

good

> special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our kids very

> far.

> As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/ ABA are

> SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists,

and can

> get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth every

penny.

> What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> SARA x

>

>

>

> combination of biomedical +

ABA/VBA

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and

how many

> >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> >

> >gobika

> >

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--Hi Elaine,

it was recommended to us to use the clicker to get 500 -1000

mands /day! like many of our children my son has a stronger

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doing/what colour etc so its forced us to concentrate on skills

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> Hi stephanie,

> I have never looked at growing minds but that is a fantastic idea

of

> clicking 1000 discrete trials a day. I am going to get that up

and running

> ASAP. Any other great ideas from growing minds or recommended

text etc..

> Thanks

> Elaine

>

> _____

>

> From: Autism Treatment

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> Sent: 22 February 2007 09:44

> Autism Treatment

> Subject: Re: combination of biomedical

+ ABA/VBA

>

> I know good schools are rare but there are some good schools. Tom's

> now uses a combination of Growing Minds/VB with NET and anything

else

> that seems appropriate at that moment. I watched a DVD of Tom's one

> to one teacher with him yesterday and she was getting him to do

things

> I've not managed (but ha ha the game is up TOm as I have the

> evidence!!). He was rote counting, matching the right first letter,

> naming, doing loads of switching from task to task, I could almost

> hear his brain exercising.

>

> I totally agree - don't assume that a special school is going to

> educate your child to maximise his or her potential just because

> they're " experts " but there ARE open minded and good autistic units

> and schools out there, they are just shamefully thin on the

ground.

> We've managed to work in partnership with ours and they do a

mixture

> of what they want and what we want. And they're using trials with

some

> other kids now with good results.

>

> I also agree about VB - it's just been a transformation for Tom.

The

> biomed got him more able to learn and then VB/Growing Minds/NET/DTT

> all gave him back the ability to speak. We're still single words

> mostly (apart from the occasional swearing and a recent " Look what

I

> can do now! " )

>

> Growing Minds advocates 1000 discrete trials per day - it's

possible

> to do partly at school and mostly at home, it is apparently

possible

> to get all these into one day, every day. We're currently at about

> 500, you don't get there overnight but once you absorb trials into

> every minute of the day " can you put that on the table? "

click, " what

> colour is this cushion? " click, " choose a video " click, " who is

this

> character " click it's so much easier than ABA and feels much less

like

> learning to the child. IMHO.

>

> Steph x

>

>

> >

> > Hi again Gobika,

> > Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> > I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I

go

> with my

> > personal opinion ...

> > VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

> child-friendly and

> > pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there

> have been

> > a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

although

> there

> > are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that

they

> are, at

> > best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back

with low

> > expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your

kids at

> good

> > special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our

kids very

> > far.

> > As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/

ABA are

> > SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and

therapists,

> and can

> > get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth

every

> penny.

> > What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> > SARA x

> >

> >

> >

> > [Autism-Biomedical--Europe] combination of biomedical

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi All,

> > >

> > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

and

> how many

> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > >

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Hi Steph

Do you know where to buy a clicker to count the trials and also the

timer that the Growing Minds people use? Need to get a bit more

scientific about measuring progress here.....

Thanks

> >

> > Hi again Gobika,

> > Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> > I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here I

go

> with my

> > personal opinion ...

> > VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

> child-friendly and

> > pushes for language above all else. As for special schools, there

> have been

> > a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

although

> there

> > are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be that

they

> are, at

> > best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them back

with low

> > expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your kids

at

> good

> > special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our

kids very

> > far.

> > As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one. VB/

ABA are

> > SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and therapists,

> and can

> > get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth

every

> penny.

> > What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> > SARA x

> >

> >

> >

> > combination of biomedical +

ABA/VBA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi All,

> > >

> > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

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> how many

> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

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The best resource I've found for VB related stuff is

www.difflearn.com the Different Roads to learning site. It's US

based and the postage is scary but the stuff is very carefully

thought out. If you're placing an order there anyway it's worth

buying clickers from them. If you're not you can buy clickers on

Ebay. They are used for dog training among other things, about £8

each. There is also a good book about Discrete Trial Training and

how to basically train humans (and I know how abhorrent taht sounds

but when you read the book and how confirming good behaviour and

laerning is the key, it's not at all abhorrent) It's called Dont'

Shoot the Dog. You can get from Amazon and Ebay. I'ts not autism

related - it's about behaviour and shaping it.

> > >

> > > Hi again Gobika,

> > > Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> > > I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so here

I

> go

> > with my

> > > personal opinion ...

> > > VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

> > child-friendly and

> > > pushes for language above all else. As for special schools,

there

> > have been

> > > a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

> although

> > there

> > > are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be

that

> they

> > are, at

> > > best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them

back

> with low

> > > expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your

kids

> at

> > good

> > > special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get our

> kids very

> > > far.

> > > As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one.

VB/

> ABA are

> > > SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and

therapists,

> > and can

> > > get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is worth

> every

> > penny.

> > > What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> > > SARA x

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > combination of biomedical

+

> ABA/VBA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hi All,

> > > >

> > > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the

combination

> and

> > how many

> > > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > > >

> > > >gobika

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Thanks for that - Hubby is going to states soon so maybe I can have

an order delivered to US office for him to bring home. I might

suggest he get the book for his more annoying collegues!!

> > > >

> > > > Hi again Gobika,

> > > > Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

> > > > I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so

here

> I

> > go

> > > with my

> > > > personal opinion ...

> > > > VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

> > > child-friendly and

> > > > pushes for language above all else. As for special schools,

> there

> > > have been

> > > > a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

> > although

> > > there

> > > > are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be

> that

> > they

> > > are, at

> > > > best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them

> back

> > with low

> > > > expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your

> kids

> > at

> > > good

> > > > special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get

our

> > kids very

> > > > far.

> > > > As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one.

> VB/

> > ABA are

> > > > SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and

> therapists,

> > > and can

> > > > get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is

worth

> > every

> > > penny.

> > > > What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

> > > > SARA x

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > combination of

biomedical

> +

> > ABA/VBA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the

> combination

> > and

> > > how many

> > > > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > > > >

> > > > >gobika

> > > > >

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> _________-_

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claire I've got loads of the clickers - send me your address off list

and I'll post t you - Elaine

> Thanks for that - Hubby is going to states soon so maybe I can have

> an order delivered to US office for him to bring home. I might

> suggest he get the book for his more annoying collegues!!

>

>

>

>

>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hi again Gobika,

>>>>> Are you doing VB or more of a Lovaas style therapy?

>>>>> I don't know if you are asking this but you seem to be so

> here

>> I

>>> go

>>>> with my

>>>>> personal opinion ...

>>>>> VB is LOADS better than ABA. It is much more modern, more

>>>> child-friendly and

>>>>> pushes for language above all else. As for special schools,

>> there

>>>> have been

>>>>> a lot of discussions about them recently on this forum and,

>>> although

>>>> there

>>>>> are good ones out there, the general consensus seems to be

>> that

>>> they

>>>> are, at

>>>>> best, babysitting our children and, at worst, holding them

>> back

>>> with low

>>>>> expectations, etc. (Apologies to those of you that have your

>> kids

>>> at

>>>> good

>>>>> special schools) They tend to use TEACCH which doesn't get

> our

>>> kids very

>>>>> far.

>>>>> As for deciding where to spend your money, it's a tough one.

>> VB/

>>> ABA are

>>>>> SOOOOO expensive. If you have the right consultant and

>> therapists,

>>>> and can

>>>>> get the enormous sums of money in the first place, VB is

> worth

>>> every

>>>> penny.

>>>>> What other biomed do you do? We are not chelating yet.

>>>>> SARA x

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> combination of

> biomedical

>> +

>>> ABA/VBA

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi All,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the

>> combination

>>> and

>>>> how many

>>>>>> doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> gobika

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ____________-_________-_________-_________-_________-

>> _________-_

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>>> mobile.

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>>> com/

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You can

get the clickers in high street sports wear shops.

SARA

combination

of

> biomedical

>> +

>>> ABA/VBA

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi All,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the

>> combination

>>> and

>>>> how many

>>>>>> doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> gobika

>>>>>>

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I think you can get clickers from the likes of Staples.

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combination of biomedical + ABA/VBA> > >> > >> > >> > >Hi All,> > >> > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination and> how many> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.> > >> > >gobika> > >> > >____________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_> > >Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile.> > >HYPERLINK > > >"http://www.msn.txt4content.com/"http://www.msn.-txt4content.-com/> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >--> > >No virus found in this incoming message.> > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 20/02/2007> > >13:44> > >> > >> > >> > >--> > >No virus found in this outgoing message.> > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 20/02/2007> > >13:44> > >> > > > __________________________________________________________> > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/> > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical> advice.> > If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified> > practitioner.> > > > - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & amp; communities.> > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 20/02/2007> > 13:44> > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 20/02/2007> > 13:44> >>

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We had

the same recommendation as you Nina and this was the real breakthrough for us

between essentially non-verbal and now, very verbal (although not all that

conversational yet). But what makes all our lives so difficult is that it

seems something different will be the breakthrough for each child as you said

Elaine, it took something totally different for your little boy.

Clicking 800 a day for 800 mands nearly

killed us at first. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done and

thank God hubby was still at home then. (He hasn’t left us, he works on a

ship now!) Looking back I’m so proud he worked that hard. I could

NEVER do it again.

I think following Alison’s post on

burnout, it’s important to channel energies as well as conserving them

when necessary. Another thing I’m not good at!

Sara x

[Autism-Biomedical--Europe] combination of

biomedical

+ ABA/VBA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi All,

> > >

> > >Just wanting to know how many of you are doing the combination

and

> how many

> > >doing just biomedical.or may be something else new.

> > >

> > >gobika

> > >

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______-_

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