Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi , Sorry in advance that this won't answer your question. But we did have a real scare late last year when we suddenly noticed Eddie's canines were discoloured and eroding - they were soft. Unfortunately, he's lost some of one of them - but they are now white again and hard too just like normal healthy teeth. We did 2 things - we replaced betaine and pepsin (which we had mixed in his food because he doesn't take capsules) with a teaspoon of lemon before meals - and we introduced vitamin k2 (we use the Thorne drops). Within days we noticed a big improvement - it was quite amazing. I think vitamin k has helped a lot. I'm afraid I'm still learning about calcium and absorption - we are using chamomile (recommended by Dr Amy Yasko) as an additional calcium source. Best wishes, Sandy > > Hi listmates. Could someone help me understand this subject. I have > been supplementing on 1200mg of calcium for a while now as he is > cf since Nov 04. Have just recently come across the calcium/vit k > debate and am a bit confused. He has beautiful teeth, but the back > teeth are now turning black! He is having some pain at the moment, and > previous dentist visits were dismal to say the least. Is the Ca > supplementation doing more harm than good? Do I stop it and try to > raise the levels of A D and K? What are others doing in this > situation, has anyone any experience with the Vit K? Any help would be > great thanks in advance, C > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Are they milk teeth or second teeth Sandy? Why did you replace the Betaine? Because it was too acid? xx Sally denly noticed Eddie's canines were discoloured and eroding - they were soft. Unfortunately, he's lost some of one of them - but they are now white again and hard too just like normal healthy teeth. We did 2 things - we replaced betaine and pepsin (which we had mixed in his food because he doesn't take capsules) with a teaspoon of lemon before meals - and we introduced vitamin k2 (we use the Thorne drops). Within days we noticed a big improvement - it was quite amazing. I think vitamin k has helped a lot. I'm afraid I'm still learning about calcium and absorption - we are using chamomile (recommended by Dr Amy Yasko) as an additional calcium source. Best wishes, Sandy > > Hi listmates. Could someone help me understand this subject. I have > been supplementing on 1200mg of calcium for a while now as he is > cf since Nov 04. Have just recently come across the calcium/vit k > debate and am a bit confused. He has beautiful teeth, but the back > teeth are now turning black! He is having some pain at the moment, and > previous dentist visits were dismal to say the least. Is the Ca > supplementation doing more harm than good? Do I stop it and try to > raise the levels of A D and K? What are others doing in this > situation, has anyone any experience with the Vit K? Any help would be > great thanks in advance, C > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 18/02/2007 16:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi Sally, They are milk teeth. Yes, the betaine and pepsin is acidic and should not be chewed - it's a problem when your child doesn't take capsules or tablets - but we've found the lemon juice alternative fine and give Eddie just a small teaspoon 10-20 mins before a meal (mixed with a little water) and he doesn't mind it too much at all. It seems to help with digestion. We really had no idea Eddie's teeth were so bad because the front ones looked absolutely fine and his canines weren't normally visible. Stangely they are more visible now - I think it's because he's smiling more and making more expressions. Best wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 he talks about the role of serotonin and acetylcholine in the genesis of peristalytic action in the gut. (I used to think serotonin was only in the brain and nervous system but it is also very abundant in the gut which is why people taking SSRIs also gt e digestive disturbances Hi We have been thinking about this too recently cos one of the drugs recommended for by DR Krigsman is called Zelnorm. Its also used by people with IBS and is supposed to have some role on Serotonin Receptors in the gut (95% of our bodies Serotonin or receptors are in the gut, whoops have forgotten, hubby did the research). Many people with IBS also have depression and many report that when on this drug they feel better too. Makes sense to me, eg anxiety wise they feel beetr should have said. This has helped s Peristalsis deffo. Its not licensed in the UK or for children from what I undersatnd BTW.... Thanks for posting that. Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 For a time when Edith was about 5/6 and she woke in the night -- I used to give her Tyxylix (or something) a cough mixture with obviously some form of narcotic must have been very mild because it was non-prescription -- and it seemed to help her go to sleep. To my horror I realised it had made a black spot in one tooth, presumably where she lay on her side after taking it and the sweet stuff pooled in her mouth. She had no pain and I ignored it until the tooth more or less fell apart in her mouth and she had a big cavern in it. Still no appearance of toothache but I took her to the dentist. He wouldn't look at it but said that milk teeth could do this, it wouldn't be hurting and nothing should be done about it. So, very gratefully, I did nothing except take more care of her teeth from then on. The black used to get covered up from time to time (with dentine?) It seemed to come back but ultimately it seemed not to matter. She didn't lose the tooth early or anything. Entirely different point -- was the betaine any good? What made you give it? Did it work instead of or alongside enzymes? little water) and he doesn't mind it too much at all. It seems to help with digestion. We really had no idea Eddie's teeth were so bad because the front ones looked absolutely fine and his canines weren't normally visible. Stangely they are more visible now - I think it's because he's smiling more and making more expressions. Best wishes, Sandy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 18/02/2007 16:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Eddie's problem was lack of digestion and also very poor peristalsis - his food seemed to sit in his tummy too long. I think the betaine and pepsin helped a bit but it's hard to be sure since his digestion went from poor to variable. I took betain and pepsin myself because I have similar problems. It seemed to help just a bit. But I like lemon more - it seems to trigger the stomach to expect food. I'm really not sure of how it works but it feels like it encourages the stomach to work for itself rather than just supplying acid. Best wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Sandy, My daughter's two ultrasounds showed no movement of intestines which didn't surprise me as she had chronic constipation. In Gershon's book, The Second Brain, he talks about the role of serotonin and acetylcholine in the genesis of peristalytic action in the gut. (I used to think serotonin was only in the brain and nervous system but it is also very abundant in the gut which is why people taking SSRIs also gt e digestive disturbances. ) Just an idea. Thiamine is cleaved to form a precursor for acetylcholine so maybe try dosing with B1. I also read this in a vitamin book recently. Re: Calcium or Vit K? Eddie's problem was lack of digestion and also very poor peristalsis - his food seemed to sit in his tummy too long.I think the betaine and pepsin helped a bit but it's hard to be sure since his digestion went from poor to variable. I took betain and pepsin myself because I have similar problems. It seemed to help just a bit. But I like lemon more - it seems to trigger the stomach to expect food. I'm really not sure of how it works but it feels like it encourages the stomach to work for itself rather than just supplying acid.Best wishes,Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Thanks and Caroline, We give Eddie B1 - I don't think we can give anymore but of course it's hard to know how much is being absorbed. BTW - I've ordered the Second Brain Book . Caroline - I noticed Zelnorm at International Pharmacy (guess you've seen it but thought I'd mention incase) http://www.internationalpharmacy.com/browse.aspx?search=Zelnorm Best wishes, Sandy > > > In a message dated 20/02/2007 11:39:08 GMT Standard Time, > moppett1@... writes: > > he talks about the role of serotonin and acetylcholine in the genesis of > peristalytic action in the gut. (I used to think serotonin was only in the > brain and nervous system but it is also very abundant in the gut which is why > people taking SSRIs also gt e digestive disturbances > > > Hi > > We have been thinking about this too recently cos one of the drugs > recommended for by DR Krigsman is called Zelnorm. Its also used by people with > IBS and is supposed to have some role on Serotonin Receptors in the gut (95% > of our bodies Serotonin or receptors are in the gut, whoops have forgotten, > hubby did the research). > > Many people with IBS also have depression and many report that when on this > drug they feel better too. Makes sense to me, eg anxiety wise they feel beetr > should have said. > > This has helped s Peristalsis deffo. Its not licensed in the UK or > for children from what I undersatnd BTW.... > > Thanks for posting that. > Caroline > xxx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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