Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 c.andreas113 wrote: > I was hoping someone might be able to help me with some information regarding Brugmansia (also commonly known as Angel Trumpet) absolute. A friend of mine extracts his own absolute through the process of enfleurage from his organically grown plants. The brugmansia plants are poisonous if consumed and I am wondering if the extract or absolute is free of the tropane alkaloids specifically scopolamine, found in the plant that I am told are the dangerous substances. I would like to use the absolute for perfumery making and am concerned about the possible dangerous substances being carried over to the extract. Does anyone know if there is a test to confirm whether or not the extract is safe? I was told there is a test known as the Dragendorff Reagent Test which could supply the answer, but I don't know how or where to start to get the test done. Can anyone help? I wold be very grateful. > > > Personally I wouldn't put anything made from brugmansia on my skin. It's a very strong halucinogenic at low doses, toxic and deadly at higher. Not my idea of a safe herb to use in perfume. Ambrosia http://www.perfumebynature.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 > > I was hoping someone might be able to help me with some information regarding Brugmansia (also commonly known as Angel Trumpet) absolute. A friend of mine extracts his own absolute through the process of enfleurage from his organically grown plants. Hi, would this be through the Le JaJa Conservatory? Thanks, Kiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 > Personally I wouldn't put anything made from brugmansia on my skin. It's > a very strong halucinogenic at low doses, toxic and deadly at higher. > Not my idea of a safe herb to use in perfume. I also am interested in Brugmansia, but when my research brought up what Ambrosia mentioned, even though I had absolute available by said mentioned concern, I decided to pass on it. Now, I'm working on a substitute for it. (but really haven't gotten very far on it...) Kiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 You can find a bit of the toxicology here: http://books.google.com/books?id=-J-YxItyrHEC & pg=PA145 & dq=brugmansia & ei=RDfZSe63\ CITckATOztzfBA#PPA33,M1 The Handbook of poisonous and injurious plants, on page 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 > > > > I was hoping someone might be able to help me with some information regarding Brugmansia (also commonly known as Angel Trumpet) absolute. A friend of mine extracts his own absolute through the process of enfleurage from his organically grown plants. > > Hi, would this be through the Le JaJa Conservatory? > > Thanks, > Kiler > Hi , This absolute is from a private gardener and I am not sure if it would be through the conservatory you mentioned. Could try to find out though. Thanks for the support. Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 > The brugmansia plants are poisonous if consumed and I am wondering if >the extract or absolute is free of the tropane alkaloids specifically >scopolamine, found in the plant that I am told are the dangerous >substances. Brugmansia is closely related to Datura (also known as the infamous Jimson Weed), which is also poisonous. Both grow all over where I live on California's central coast, though the Brugs are cultivated. Brugmansia's flowers are pendulous, while Datura's unfurl from the ground, pointing upwards. I realize I am not answering your question, but thought I would mention the following: though Lancome is far from devoted to Natural Perfumery, it's perfume Poeme, launched in 1995,contained notes of " Himilayan poppy and desert Datura " . To my knowledge this is the first use of Datura in a commercial fragrance. I do not know if it was a synthetic recreation of Datura, or natural. Datura's scent varies, but many are sweet, hypnotic, heady and narcotic. It's leaves and entire presence is coarse and rough, though, and to me it trumpets " Danger " . Dara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 > > I was hoping someone might be able to help me with some information regarding Brugmansia (also commonly known as Angel Trumpet) absolute. A friend of mine extracts his own absolute through the process of enfleurage from his organically grown plants. The brugmansia plants are poisonous if consumed and I am wondering if the extract or absolute is free of the tropane alkaloids specifically scopolamine...<< I've wondered just these kinds of things myself, I think I asked about poisonous plants on here a whole back. Brugmansia isn't widely available as an absolute, so maybe no one's thought about it much as an issue, but I do see Oleander absolute offered at a few places, and that is a far more toxic plant than Brugmansia. So, Natural Perfumers, what is the " official " word (if there is any) on how poisons in a raw plant carry over/don't carry over into aromatic extractions of them? Has anyone looked at this, or is it just up to rules like the IFRA guidelines, which it seems most folks here consider overly restrictive? Strength & Wisdom, leavesofjoy / Micah www.al-kemi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 > Hi, would this be through the Le JaJa Conservatory? > Hi , This absolute is from a private gardener and I am not sure if it would be through the conservatory you mentioned. Could try to find out though. Thanks for the support. Chris. greetings Pual and i would be thrilled to connect with either source mentioned for a brugmansia absolute or enfluerage. don't worry, i won't sell it or eat it (or even wear it straight outta the bottle.) btw, poison is a strange word, it's all about dosage. anything is a poison in the wrong dosage. aromatic blessings, (a boy named) crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 leavesofjoy wrote: > I've wondered just these kinds of things myself, I think I asked about poisonous plants on here a whole back. Brugmansia isn't widely available as an absolute, so maybe no one's thought about it much as an issue, but I do see Oleander absolute offered at a few places, and that is a far more toxic plant than Brugmansia. > > So, Natural Perfumers, what is the " official " word (if there is any) on how poisons in a raw plant carry over/don't carry over into aromatic extractions of them? Has anyone looked at this, or is it just up to rules like the IFRA guidelines, which it seems most folks here consider overly restrictive? > > Strength & Wisdom, > leavesofjoy / Micah > www.al-kemi.com Hi Micah: Alkaloids do carry over - unless a special process is used, as with tobacco absolute. Pesticides carry over in distillation, too, so that's why many want organic oils. This is from my ex, a scientist. IFRA is completely different, they're mostly looking at (mostly imaginary) skin reactions. -- Anya http://AnyasGarden.com http://NaturalPerfumers.com http://twitter.com/anyasgarden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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