Re: Re: Detect, Evacuate, Avoid and Decontaminate or you're DEAD

[Guest guest]

I JUST WALKED OUT OF MY DOCTORS OFFICE WHICH WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF A HOTEL.

AS SOO AS THE ELEVATORS OPENED SMELLED MOLD COMING FROM THE INDOOR PLANTERS.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote: -great advice erik,Im not dead

yet but have felt that I got close a

few times. I can detect mold and chemicals and even particles that go

up my nose and change my voice and cause sinus headackes if I dont

get them washed out quick enough, but the last slam I got was

outside, the air was decent, and weather it was one myco or one mold

spore with myco's attached I do not know but there was no warning and

it has put me right back where I have tried so hard to come from. Im

just really confussed how one minute you can state how you can pre-

consieve exposure before it happens and the next minute you are

talking about takeing a bad hit. so you cant detect any better than

the rest of us. however your advice is great on evacuateing and

decontaminateing, but once inhaled its to late to do anything. other

than haveing a bubble on my head, I dont know what else to do. the

problem with detect is that, that is when you breath it up your

nose.

-- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> " centurydemos " <centurydemos@> wrote:

> The fact I was sleeping in a cold car to

> > breathe wasn't for the fun of it. yet, do they even want

> > to learn from my tragedy so that the next person may not

> > endure such a horrible illness? Do they even care about me &

> > Tlee losing not only our lives, but all our belongings. NO!!

> >

> > Nobody cares and NOBODY is liable. 2 people are poisoned,

> > unable to work, need help..and NOBODY accepts any liabilty.

> >

> > I will speak out. If I don't then..shame on me. Some of my

> > own family may be ashamed of me for blasting this medical

> > clan..the Drs. are close knit and they all know about me

> > & tlee. Shame on all of you. You are in medicine for

> > the wrong reasons. Sometimes a patient DOES know more than

> > you do.

>

>

> I thought it was bad enough when doctors didn't want to learn

from

> my experience as an original CFS prototype who was trying on the

> very first day of " CFS " to get the CDC/NIH to look at mold, but it

> was even MORE bizarre when I exhibited an unexpected recovery while

> in the NIH ampligen program and they took no interest in how I did

> it.

> Of course, I've told all of you over the last eight years what I'm

> doing.

> I'm just following my military training in biological warfare and

> treating mycotoxins exactly like Nerve Agent.

> " Detect, Evacuate, Avoid and Decontaminate " or you're DEAD!

> Catchy, but that's the military for you. Always a mnemonic

acronmym

> so you don't forget.

> -

>

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[Guest guest]

There are a lot of things going on with mold exposures biologically,

and I'd venture that these physiological things are exceedingly

complex and interrelated..

How do doctors define, for example, what is an 'allergy' and what is a

toxic reaction and what is a biologically active substance with toxic

possibilities..

(under some conditions?)

Does anyone know the answer to that question or how I might find out?

Also, Dr. Shoemaker mentions that the " Heidelberg Retinal Flowmeter'

is able to detect a decrease in bloodflow to the retina a very short

amount of time after initial mold exposure.

Does anyone know more about this or any other, similar biomarkers of

mold exposure that could be leveraged into numbers that showed the

potential of brain damage, for example?

(retinal cells are a good example of what is happening in the brain,

I've heard because they are one of the only parts of it that is

accessible directly from outside the body noninvasively)

Sometimes, when I get mold exposure, there is a fairly predictable

cluster of effects that I bet could be measured.. I'm sure others have

noticed this..

The support we all get here is valuable but it doesn't accomplish much

in terms of change on a legal or scientific level.

Don't you all think that its time to stop playing around and going on

and on about our health issues and instead, start trying to get

together to measure and quantify what is going on a bit more

scientifically?

If doctors are too terrified of the 'gatekeepers' currently in power,

then perhaps its time for us, who have much more to gain and less to

lose.. (they have already taken our health..) to do our best to

package up some real-world information on what happens to us so that

it can't be ignored?

Its the only way.. if we wait for the 'medical establishment' to act

it could be another 50 years and we could be behind where we are

now..-because by then things will quite possibly be MUCH more

polarized and political and MUCH less open to information like this

that could require some kind of expenditures on poor people's issues.

Seriously..

We may be missing out on speaking up now when we might be able to make

a difference - but without cold hard impenetrable data its very

difficult as the medical and political establishments will just ignore

us as we are not scientists.. (or more significantly, lobbyists

holding cash.)

[Guest guest]

when you get to the point you feel faint, it is toxic i would presume

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: There are a lot of things

going on with mold exposures biologically,

and I'd venture that these physiological things are exceedingly

complex and interrelated..

How do doctors define, for example, what is an 'allergy' and what is a

toxic reaction and what is a biologically active substance with toxic

possibilities..

(under some conditions?)

Does anyone know the answer to that question or how I might find out?

Also, Dr. Shoemaker mentions that the " Heidelberg Retinal Flowmeter'

is able to detect a decrease in bloodflow to the retina a very short

amount of time after initial mold exposure.

Does anyone know more about this or any other, similar biomarkers of

mold exposure that could be leveraged into numbers that showed the

potential of brain damage, for example?

(retinal cells are a good example of what is happening in the brain,

I've heard because they are one of the only parts of it that is

accessible directly from outside the body noninvasively)

Sometimes, when I get mold exposure, there is a fairly predictable

cluster of effects that I bet could be measured.. I'm sure others have

noticed this..

The support we all get here is valuable but it doesn't accomplish much

in terms of change on a legal or scientific level.

Don't you all think that its time to stop playing around and going on

and on about our health issues and instead, start trying to get

together to measure and quantify what is going on a bit more

scientifically?

If doctors are too terrified of the 'gatekeepers' currently in power,

then perhaps its time for us, who have much more to gain and less to

lose.. (they have already taken our health..) to do our best to

package up some real-world information on what happens to us so that

it can't be ignored?

Its the only way.. if we wait for the 'medical establishment' to act

it could be another 50 years and we could be behind where we are

now..-because by then things will quite possibly be MUCH more

polarized and political and MUCH less open to information like this

that could require some kind of expenditures on poor people's issues.

Seriously..

We may be missing out on speaking up now when we might be able to make

a difference - but without cold hard impenetrable data its very

difficult as the medical and political establishments will just ignore

us as we are not scientists.. (or more significantly, lobbyists

holding cash.)

[Guest guest]

I just feel very, very weak for no apparent

reason; not having done anything strenuous, etc.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> when you get to the point you feel faint, it is

> toxic i would presume

>

> LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> There are a lot of things going on with

> mold exposures biologically,

> and I'd venture that these physiological things

> are exceedingly

> complex and interrelated..