Re: urine mycotoxin tests - ??

[Guest guest]

Re: post that said Croft states that urine test

shows what amount of mycotoxins person has been

exposed to within the last 40 hours.

I was giving this a second thought and on second

thought find this hard to believe that it could

be accurate that urine test measures mycotoxins

we have been exposed to within the last 40 hours.

If that were true, that would mean that we don't

have much trouble getting rid of toxins. If

that's the case, why would we need CSM powder at

all or any other detoxer for that matter. It

would also seem to imply that we would recover

from myctoxin exposure pretty quickly after

exposure ends. (However results of exposure may

last I assume.) He states that clothing is a good

carrier to mold spores and washing does is not

very effective at removing, so recommends getting

rid of exposed items. , do you have any

thoughts??

--- bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

> The 40 hour time frame is is really shocking to

> me. It is not in letter I received from him

but mine was done awhile ago. That means at the

time I took my test, after having

> cleaned out the house and air tests being good

> that I was still getting a whopping 8 out of 18

> on test, when he says any amount is too much!

> According to him, zero is correct amount.

> I also am very surprised since another person

> who

> also scored near me on this test and whom many

> people here probably, her husband built her a

> brand new home from scratched, specifically due

> to her mold problems and she practically

> travels

> around in a bubble has high mycotoxins in spite

> of all that effort!! Also trips to Dallas, the

> saunas there and at home, etc, and she still

> has

> those high levels. Many of you probably know

> who

> I mean, but don't want to tell her story for

> her,

> to mean that her last test she scored so high,

> is

> unbelievable. That just leads me to believe

> what

> I have for a long time that the fungus is

> INSIDE

> ME, where it is making my own mycotoxins.

> Certainly I have not practiced avoidance like

> has but this woman I'm referring to

> certainly did and she was not having any more

> success at getting rid of them. I might be the

> source, which is a depressing scenerio. ***Oh

> well, I'll hold on to only thing I may have

> been

> right on this discussion, that Dr Croft is a

> respected expert in mycotoxin research.

>

> --- Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:

>

> > Here are excerpts from 2 emails I received

> from

> > Dr. Croft. I never did this because I was

> > specifically interested in T-2 toxin, not

> > trichothecenes in general. As far as I know,

[Guest guest]

bbw < wrote:

He (Dr Croft) states that clothing is a good carrier to mold spores

and washing does is not very effective at removing, so recommends

getting rid of exposed items.

" her husband built her a brand new home from scratched,

specifically due to her mold problems and she practically travels

around in a bubble has high mycotoxins in spite

of all that effort!! "

, do you have any thoughts??

Controlling contamination was the basis for the protocol I proposed

to Dr when he told me that ampligen was my last hope - and

it was financially out of reach: To avoid mycotoxins carried on

contaminated clothing and in the hair.

I created a mobile " bubble " and trained myself to detect subtle

exposures instead of waiting for overt 'slams' before conducting

avoidance and decontamination.

When " hit " , I would take a shower and isolate my clothing in a

special compartment - consistently doing this as a pre-emptive

resolution of FUTURE upregulation instead of " toughing it out " as

the inflammatory response really gets going.

It was nothing less than acting " in advance " of immune upregulation

that allowed my MCS responses to abate.

I cannot park my mobile " decon module " in a spore plume, but I can

pass through them without lasting effects.

In all the years that I have been doing this, my experience has been

that clothing which was only momentarily exposed can be isolated and

cleaned by conventional means, with no special treatment.

It was only long term exposure that made objects and clothing

acquire sufficient toxin load to be uncleanable.

I have lived a successful life for quite a while by relying on " mold

hits " as indicators of a toxic exposure which sets up a remediatable

scenario that can be resolved if action is taken quickly and pre-

emptively.

That is why Branislavs description of locating toxins in which

momentary exposure creates enduring contamination and cannot be

cleaned is so disturbing.

Toxins that are stable enough and toxic enough to have the capacity

to create " bad zones " of permanence with such ease changes the

scenario entirely, and introduces an almost impossibly complex and

expensive variable to a lifestyle of avoidance.

If one encounters toxins of such potency, then clothing would have

to be automatically abandoned every time.

-

[Guest guest]

> I cannot park my mobile " decon module " in a spore plume, but I can

> pass through them without lasting effects.

> In all the years that I have been doing this, my experience has been

> that clothing which was only momentarily exposed can be isolated and

> cleaned by conventional means, with no special treatment.

> It was only long term exposure that made objects and clothing

> acquire sufficient toxin load to be uncleanable.

Whether a clothing item becomes so contaminated as to be unwashable

and unusable depends at least on two parameters:

1. The quantity and quality of mycotoxins / spores

2. The time of exposure

In reality we can control only the second parameter IF the first

paremeter was not huge. In cases of mild to moderate quantities of

mycotoxins/spores, we can train ourselves to percieve how bad some

exposure was and whether it calls for immediate decontamination or

not. If we are always vigilant, we will be able to avoid worse

cross-contaminations.

However, we cannot control the quantity and quality of the mold /

mycotoxin. If we are hit by a huge quantity of a powerful mixture of

mycotoxins and mold spores, even for 10 seconds, there is nothing we

can do except to discard everything - clothes, documents, and, yes,

even our car might be unsalvageable (in my case the car was partially

decontaminated with great effort after 2 years; now it doesn't bother

me when my relatives use it, but I still cannot).

> That is why Branislavs description of locating toxins in which

> momentary exposure creates enduring contamination and cannot be

> cleaned is so disturbing.

> Toxins that are stable enough and toxic enough to have the capacity

> to create " bad zones " of permanence with such ease changes the

> scenario entirely, and introduces an almost impossibly complex and

> expensive variable to a lifestyle of avoidance.

> If one encounters toxins of such potency, then clothing would have

> to be automatically abandoned every time.

I have no doubt whatsoever that such toxins/molds exist, but obviously

hardly anyone believes me. I have been hit two times this way, from a

distance that ranged between 2 to 30 meters. In both cases there was

no physical contact whatsoever, only the " cloud " from the offending

object/person.

-Branislav

[Guest guest]

Hello again..It;s iris..i wrote the info about Dr. Croft's

biospy after reading todays posts; in bad pain and I had many

typos. I did speak with him today. He does urine or biopsy,

the same price on his end.

He stated the biopsy is the best route, for a urine test will

reveal the trichothecene (he never said anything to me about

the 40 hour thing, however he is the one to ask, I guess) I would

want an actual Diagnosis, rather than recent exposre).

He stated pathology is the best way to establish a diagnosis. He

said the urine test could confrim it, but the skin biopsy can show

how advanced the poisoning is: he can determine from different

factors pretty much what stage of the illness one has.

I was pretty sure I was advanced, and I was correct.

He said a dermatologist is the best type of dr. to go to. tell them

you need a punch skin biopsy to see if you have been poisoned

by trichothecene. it should be somewhere on the leg, preferably

a few inches above the outer ankle. If you happen to have a rash,

have the biopsy taken from where the rash area is.

The main thing is go well into the subdermis. this will give

a better picture of uniform damage to the entire body.Trichothecene

lays down fibrinous strands or exudates of inflammation. The

outer layer shows a basketweave. It also shows narrowing of

the arteries. It will show if you've had chronic exposure

and if you are still being exposed. (recent exposure)..

This is his advice. It must be overnighted to him. I would have it

arrive on a weekday and check and make sure he will be in town.

He's done a great job helping me, as have Dr. Vojdani at

immunosciences lab with pcr

testing, etc, A very dedicated, caring man has done so much to help

people..and dr. in NC is absolutely wonderful.

He is a brilliant dr. with 30 years practice, and genuinely cares for

every patient.

I am holding on to faith and hope and I, again, thank KC and each

of you for support. hope I can repay you some day. I'm trying

very hard to stay positive.

take care all. Have to pull out at 3am..Be blest. Pray for tlee.

He was also diagnosed positive..

KC, wearing our shirts, with sickbuilding site, I plan to

during filming too.

iris

iris

staff are the nicest people I've ever met. His patients are not

statistics or numbers, but every life matters to him.

- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> bbw < wrote:

> He (Dr Croft) states that clothing is a good carrier to mold

spores

> and washing does is not very effective at removing, so recommends

> getting rid of exposed items.

>

>

> " her husband built her a brand new home from scratched,

> specifically due to her mold problems and she practically travels

> around in a bubble has high mycotoxins in spite

> of all that effort!! "

>

>

> , do you have any thoughts??

>

>

>

> Controlling contamination was the basis for the protocol I proposed

> to Dr when he told me that ampligen was my last hope - and

> it was financially out of reach: To avoid mycotoxins carried on

> contaminated clothing and in the hair.

> I created a mobile " bubble " and trained myself to detect subtle

> exposures instead of waiting for overt 'slams' before conducting

> avoidance and decontamination.

> When " hit " , I would take a shower and isolate my clothing in a

> special compartment - consistently doing this as a pre-emptive

> resolution of FUTURE upregulation instead of " toughing it out " as

> the inflammatory response really gets going.

> It was nothing less than acting " in advance " of immune upregulation

> that allowed my MCS responses to abate.

>

> I cannot park my mobile " decon module " in a spore plume, but I can

> pass through them without lasting effects.

> In all the years that I have been doing this, my experience has

been

> that clothing which was only momentarily exposed can be isolated

and

> cleaned by conventional means, with no special treatment.

> It was only long term exposure that made objects and clothing

> acquire sufficient toxin load to be uncleanable.

> I have lived a successful life for quite a while by relying

on " mold

> hits " as indicators of a toxic exposure which sets up a

remediatable

> scenario that can be resolved if action is taken quickly and pre-

> emptively.

> That is why Branislavs description of locating toxins in which

> momentary exposure creates enduring contamination and cannot be

> cleaned is so disturbing.

>

> Toxins that are stable enough and toxic enough to have the

capacity

> to create " bad zones " of permanence with such ease changes the

> scenario entirely, and introduces an almost impossibly complex and

> expensive variable to a lifestyle of avoidance.

> If one encounters toxins of such potency, then clothing would have

> to be automatically abandoned every time.

> -

>