Re: Might Mycotoxins be From Me?

[Guest guest]

If spores left in me, then I guess that is reason

treatment is long. Is that correct? I was

treated for Candida but it came back. I don't

think many doctor really know how to treat it. I

don't think treatment was long enough. You have

to do it long enough to also kill the spores that

hatch. Kind of like trying to kill fleas in a

carpet I think.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> if you have a candida infection as a result of

> all the anibioics and sreroids most of us have

> probably been on, that is treatable with diet

> and antifungals. a qualified doctor can assist

> you.

>

> barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> and other mycotoxin

> experts,

>

> If I have a fungal infection, systemic or in a

> number of organs,

> wouldn't fungus be filling me with spores that

> are emitting myctoxins

> as my immune system fights with them. Then no

> mater how far I run

> from spore plumes or moldy houses, etc, I will

> still be sick??

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

The issues of mycotoxins aren't completely settled yet. I'll try to

answer both this post and your other one about mycotoxins emanating

from spores with what little I know. There are several concepts

interwoven and they need to be clarified to make much sense of this.

BTW, I am far from what I would call an expert. Much of what follows

is based on a presentation yesterday by a true expert, Dr Eugene

Cole, along with the information he and Dr Abbott have included

in the S500 and S520 standards.

Mycotoxins are commonly described as a component of the cell wall of

fungi that may be released when the cell dies and breaks apart. Water

restorers and mold remediators need to be aware of this because when

they dry buildings and contents the fungal cells will dry and break

apart, releasing the mycotoxins. Perhaps another reason to be careful

about using biocides and other methods to kill mold - release of

mycotoxins?

Mycotoxins are more like a " molecule " that is large enough to acts

more like a particle than a liquid, gas or vapor. They tend to be

inside the cell wall rather than on the surface so they are not

easily released from its surrounding tissue. Exposure will typically

occur in conjunction with exposure to the other components it is

still attached to. By itself, mycotoxins are small enough to become

airborne like dust but most are too small to be thoroughly removed

like " dust " with a HEPA filter. On the other hand, they are also too

large to readily evaporate into the air like the VOCs (which is what

you smell as a musty odor) and other gasses.

Endotoxins from bacteria, on the other hand, are smaller and located

closer to the surface of the cell wall. They are more easily freed

and aerosolized than mycotoxins, thus exposure to endotoxins is more

likely than to mycotoxins. And remember, when there is sufficient

moisture for mold growth, there is almost always bacterial growth and

usually in greater quantities. Endotoxin or mycotoxin expsoure? That

is a tough question but I'd probably prefer exposure to mycotoxins

than to endotoxins. Check it out through Google. Jeanine? You are a

thorough researcher. What can you find out?

It would be very difficult for a human body to " give off " or

" emanate " mycotoxins for the above reasons and because fungi inside

bodies (infection) reproduce by cell division or budding rather than

by making spores. Any spores created aren't the airborne kinds of

spores (obviously) because they can't easily get out of the body and

would be quite damp - therefore heavy and not " evaporating. "

Mycotoxins from spores would have to release from the cells and then

" emanate " through the skin like an odor, but they are not that small.

So how would they get out? Sweat and other body fluids? Would they

not be released if you are not sweating, for example? More like how

" body odor " emanates?

So a question for the group is do those of you with fungal infections

give off an odor that others detect as " moldy " or " musty " (or some

other description?)

Finally, the physical and chemical properties of mycotoxins are not

like radiation which does " emanate, " with some types penetrating

several inches of lead.

Mycotoxins have not been much discussed or researched until recently.

Texas Tech, for example, only recently released the first practical

lab detection method for airborne mycotoxins. There is much to be

learned. And remember, just because the explanation hasn't been

developed and verified, doesn't mean you aren't reacting to

" something, " whether mycotoxin, endotoxin or some other component.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> and other mycotoxin experts,

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> If I have a fungal infection, systemic or in a number of organs,

> wouldn't fungus be filling me with spores that are emitting myctoxins

> as my immune system fights with them. Then no mater how far I run

> from spore plumes or moldy houses, etc, I will still be sick??

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> I hate to run from house and it be me that is the source.

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