Re: Anyone here who is currently VERY ill?........

[Guest guest]

yes, its probably in your ac. you need to quit stiring it up and

just get out of there. and yes, 6 months is going to make you much

more ill. please get out and give your body some recovering time

while you learn some info. on what your dealing with, and how to deal

with it. I know its hard but you are not helping your health. please

wear a mask if you remove any more rugs, turn off ac and open

windows.shower and change right

afterwards.

--- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@...>

wrote:

>

> The past week has been awful....I disposed of about 6 rugs

> today,,,,have about 8 more....in my bedroom I took rugs out

yesterday,

> but my eyes STILL burn ,mainly when the air cond, is

blowing....does

> that mean mold in the vents or the a.c unit itself???? " About " how

> much time do I have to " move " out....HATE to after only 2 years in

> new house, nice neighborhood......would I have 6 months to

sell/donate

> (most) my belongings and get house on market, or should I get out

NOW?

> I know now is best, but I don't have money to stay elsewhere and

would

> need to come home to get things ready for donation.....would 6

months

> worsen my health a lot? Rifgt now is 3rd day in row where morning

> almost went to ER! Afternoon is some better. The FATIGUE is the

> worst, and I'm VERY dizzy with rubbery legs....going to PC in 2

> hrs...if he admits me to hospital and feel better on release after

> spending$$$$$, when I go home, I'll come right back down with the

same

> health symptoms!!! I'm alone so must do for myself. Thanks for

> help. Shybasset

>

[Guest guest]

---you may want to go by a tent, I wouldn't use anything out of your

home because it very possably is contaminated. even your cloths,

pillows and blankets, even better if you can barrow these things from

someone because new items can could also bother you, but I would even

wash these with ALL free and clear detergent first, in case you have

developed sensativitys to certain things. right now you might not

even realize this has happened to you so its just being safe. the

last thing you need is more insults on your body. if you go stay with

a friend, immeditly shower and put your cloths straight in a plastic

bag and get them out of your friends house, you dont want to

contaminate theri

home.

In , " who " <jeaninem660@...>

wrote:

>

> yes, its probably in your ac. you need to quit stiring it up and

> just get out of there. and yes, 6 months is going to make you much

> more ill. please get out and give your body some recovering time

> while you learn some info. on what your dealing with, and how to

deal

> with it. I know its hard but you are not helping your health.

please

> wear a mask if you remove any more rugs, turn off ac and open

> windows.shower and change right

>

afterwards.

>

>

> >

> > The past week has been awful....I disposed of about 6 rugs

> > today,,,,have about 8 more....in my bedroom I took rugs out

> yesterday,

> > but my eyes STILL burn ,mainly when the air cond, is

> blowing....does

> > that mean mold in the vents or the a.c unit itself???? " About "

how

> > much time do I have to " move " out....HATE to after only 2 years

in

> > new house, nice neighborhood......would I have 6 months to

> sell/donate

> > (most) my belongings and get house on market, or should I get out

> NOW?

> > I know now is best, but I don't have money to stay elsewhere and

> would

> > need to come home to get things ready for donation.....would 6

> months

> > worsen my health a lot? Rifgt now is 3rd day in row where morning

> > almost went to ER! Afternoon is some better. The FATIGUE is the

> > worst, and I'm VERY dizzy with rubbery legs....going to PC in 2

> > hrs...if he admits me to hospital and feel better on release

after

> > spending$$$$$, when I go home, I'll come right back down with the

> same

> > health symptoms!!! I'm alone so must do for myself. Thanks for

> > help. Shybasset

> >

>

[Guest guest]

- yes, i should have stated that you really shouldn't be messing

with the rugs and some masks are better than none, but most masks are

not going to keep you from inhaleing toxins. its best you that you

just get out of

there. -

- In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> yes, its probably in your ac. you need to quit stiring it up and

> just get out of there. and yes, 6 months is going to make you much

> more ill. please get out and give your body some recovering time

> while you learn some info. on what your dealing with, and how to

deal

> with it. I know its hard but you are not helping your health.

please

> wear a mask if you remove any more rugs, turn off ac and open

> windows.shower and change right

>

afterwards.

>

>

> >

> > The past week has been awful....I disposed of about 6 rugs

> > today,,,,have about 8 more....in my bedroom I took rugs out

> yesterday,

> > but my eyes STILL burn ,mainly when the air cond, is

> blowing....does

> > that mean mold in the vents or the a.c unit itself???? " About "

how

> > much time do I have to " move " out....HATE to after only 2 years

in

> > new house, nice neighborhood......would I have 6 months to

> sell/donate

> > (most) my belongings and get house on market, or should I get out

> NOW?

> > I know now is best, but I don't have money to stay elsewhere and

> would

> > need to come home to get things ready for donation.....would 6

> months

> > worsen my health a lot? Rifgt now is 3rd day in row where morning

> > almost went to ER! Afternoon is some better. The FATIGUE is the

> > worst, and I'm VERY dizzy with rubbery legs....going to PC in 2

> > hrs...if he admits me to hospital and feel better on release

after

> > spending$$$$$, when I go home, I'll come right back down with the

> same

> > health symptoms!!! I'm alone so must do for myself. Thanks for

> > help. Shybasset

> >

>

[Guest guest]

skybasset,

Summer heat and humidity are probably making

everything worse right now. Consider taking a

small apt right away so you aren't injured any

more and plan to come in a clean out what you can

with mask, etc. Getting away from it as much as

you can makes a big difference. When

temperatures cool off, and you get some things

cleared out, perhaps you can move back in, but

mold problems will be worse now. Problem I see

is finding a place that is safe. Try finding

someplace you can stay a short time in before

signing up for longer stay, maybe like an

Extended Stay place. That's exactly what I am

going through right now myself with almost the

exact same symptoms but I have been to doctors

and have diagnosis of mycotoxicosis.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> The past week has been awful....I disposed of

> about 6 rugs

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am very sick and sound the same as you. See a toxic mold

specialist right away. I will write you offline. I've seen two this

summer alone and wish I had done it sooner. I tried so hard to find

help at home. It's not worth the wasted time. My toxic exposure

probably was the cause of my cancer a couple years ago. I had tissues

examined by toxicologist just recently. You sound pretty injured

already. I would not stick around house, especially in the summer

humidity and heat. Even if you can stay some place else for the rest

of the air conditioning season only, it would be a big step in right

direction. Also you can see if you improve with change in living

space.

--- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@...>

wrote:

>

> The past week has been awful....I disposed of about 6 rugs

> today,,,,have about 8 more....in my bedroom I took rugs out

[Guest guest]

barb--were your igm and igg to various molds elevated???

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: skybasset,

Summer heat and humidity are probably making

everything worse right now. Consider taking a

small apt right away so you aren't injured any

more and plan to come in a clean out what you can

with mask, etc. Getting away from it as much as

you can makes a big difference. When

temperatures cool off, and you get some things

cleared out, perhaps you can move back in, but

mold problems will be worse now. Problem I see

is finding a place that is safe. Try finding

someplace you can stay a short time in before

signing up for longer stay, maybe like an

Extended Stay place. That's exactly what I am

going through right now myself with almost the

exact same symptoms but I have been to doctors

and have diagnosis of mycotoxicosis.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> The past week has been awful....I disposed of

> about 6 rugs

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[Guest guest]

I didn't have Igm's taken. They drew some blood

for tests I don't have results back yet and also

another urine mycotoxin test I don't haven't sent

out yet, but IgG's of MAST class FOUR, highest

for 4 molds, one of which is Fusarium. That one

I can't figure out. Other is Candida doesn't

surprise me, Cladosporum (house is full of it),

and Stemphylium (never heard of it). I have MAST

CLASS three for six other molds. MAST CLASS two

for three molds and there was no mold that I only

tested a class one on and none that I didn't have

any antibodies to.

I think recent blood test includes IgM's and

IgA's. I'll let you know.

One thing I read is that fusarium is more likely

ingested than inhaled, which might account for

reason I only picked one up in mold plate, so

could have gotten it from food, since illness

really started with a medication that damaged my

stomach and gi lining with painfully sore throat,

could have allowed mold that I take in with food

that normally would not have hurt me. I don't

know. That would mean I would have Fusarium

infection of gi tract. That's pretty unusual I

think but not sure.

I have medicine for sinus infection which I do

have so maybe just there and no place else. I

hope.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> barb--were your igm and igg to various molds

> elevated???

>

[Guest guest]

Whatever you can do to minimize that moving time is best. In

retrospect, I would have hired somebody to do it if I could have

afforded to, and thrown everything porous out.

Wash the rest in ammonia.. seriously..

Try to get reimbursed for ths in advance (right, I KNOW) because its

VERY expensive!

The mold toxins coat everything with a thin layer that makes them make

you ill later..

For every day you are so intimately involved in the moving/cleanup,

you lose a big chunk of your health.. even after its over and you are

removed from exposure, you keep getting worse for a long time.. it

percolates around in your system..

It also makes you SO TIRED...

At least that has been my experience.

Wear a N95 respirator. Ventilate home AGGRESSIVELY. Use hand and EYE

protection. Take lots of pictures.

If it was me, I would take lots of supplemental Vit C+E, zinc,

N-acetylcysteine, alpha-lipoic-acid, milk thistle, carnosine,

idebenone, piracetam, thiamin and esp. CHOLESTYRAMINE..

Ask your doctor about this..

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> Whatever you can do to minimize that moving time is best. In

> retrospect, I would have hired somebody to do it if I could have

> afforded to, and thrown everything porous out.

Livesimply, we tried to warn you in the strongest possible terms

that you would wish to have done things differently.

Our advice was far stronger than the wording you use in your

current advice, yet we still didn't manage to convey the seriousness

of the situation sufficiently to pursuade you to do exactly what you

now wish you had done.

/message/39319

Can you help us to understand why our advice didn't our advice seem

compelling enough at the time?

In retrospect, is there some other way we could have presented this

information in some much stronger way to help get you through this

stage with fewer missteps?

-

[Guest guest]

-, how rude, i dont think 'I told you so' is going to help

anyone. you know from your own experience that no one gets it until

they have been threw it or seen someone they love go threw it and

even than its hard to understand. you go on and on about how no one

listened to you back than, while guess what, people still aren't

listening and theri not going to until its splashed all over the news

and reconized as the health hazard that it is.

most people dont come here until theri allready suffering and

starting to put it together and believe me, if theri brain is getting

affected, theri not thinking real clearly and it may take getting to

the point where you fell like your dieing for your brain alarm to go

off. if you can fiqure out how to get the world to wake up and

reconize this, you will have acomplished something. this is what we

all want and are trying to do.

there is a process here and I think you know what Im talking about.

its called 'time'. I know you didn't know anything about mold before

you got ill from it, and I know that it took you a while to figure

out what you have sence than. you are no special mold detecter. after

anyone affected gets away from it, theri sensativitys surface and

theri bodys are in protection and detection mode.

Barb for example might not tottally get how you can detect and know

when mold is around but I do and she probably well once she gets away

from it for awhile.just how bad you were affected is going to

deturmine just how sensative you will be to it.and what you were

exposed to is what you are going to be sensative to. nothing like

some adviodence to highten your sences to things that have affected

your body to the point it reacts with even the smallest amount in the

air.and believe me, when youre dealing with allergy irratants, food

allergy irratants mold,mycotoxins and other toxins theres no way to

aviod it all inless you have a bubble on your head. as far as

mycotoxin exposure goes, its the same thing that happens with any

toxin exposure,toxin overload well make you react to all toxins but

still the ones that caused it well be the worst. ones who are lucky

enough to only suffer from allergenic and even pathogenic molds are

still going to get very ill but the toxin exposure is tottally

different and wouldn't it be wrong to give advice to someone with the

lessor effects and have them burn theri home on your advice to later

realize it could have be saved? I have knowticed that you give no

newcomers any advice at all. but you are good at pointing out things

in other peoples posts which I dont know about anyone else but I dont

need that done for me, I still have a brain and it still works, just

not quite as well as it used to. yes, you have had more time sence

your exposure to think about things, maybe to much. yes, it would be

nice if others could learn from our mistakes but as you should know

that rarely ever

happens.

-- In

, " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> LiveSimply <quackadillian@> wrote:

> >

> > Whatever you can do to minimize that moving time is best. In

> > retrospect, I would have hired somebody to do it if I could have

> > afforded to, and thrown everything porous out.

>

>

> Livesimply, we tried to warn you in the strongest possible terms

> that you would wish to have done things differently.

> Our advice was far stronger than the wording you use in your

> current advice, yet we still didn't manage to convey the

seriousness

> of the situation sufficiently to pursuade you to do exactly what

you

> now wish you had done.

>

> /message/39319

>

> Can you help us to understand why our advice didn't our advice

seem

> compelling enough at the time?

> In retrospect, is there some other way we could have presented

this

> information in some much stronger way to help get you through this

> stage with fewer missteps?

> -

>

[Guest guest]

-Please don't take me wrong, it's not that I dislike you, it's only

like you have said yourself,it's your arragance. I have allready

dealt with that to much in my life and with what I've been through,

it just really is not something I wish to deal with here.I even like

you posting Shoemakers thoughts, I like to know what everyone thinks

than compare it to my experence. it is pretty amaseing and

devastateing at the same

time.

-- In , " who "

<jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> -, how rude, i dont think 'I told you so' is going to help

> anyone. you know from your own experience that no one gets it until

> they have been threw it or seen someone they love go threw it and

> even than its hard to understand. you go on and on about how no one

> listened to you back than, while guess what, people still aren't

> listening and theri not going to until its splashed all over the

news

> and reconized as the health hazard that it is.

> most people dont come here until theri allready suffering and

> starting to put it together and believe me, if theri brain is

getting

> affected, theri not thinking real clearly and it may take getting

to

> the point where you fell like your dieing for your brain alarm to

go

> off. if you can fiqure out how to get the world to wake up and

> reconize this, you will have acomplished something. this is what we

> all want and are trying to do.

> there is a process here and I think you know what Im talking

about.

> its called 'time'. I know you didn't know anything about mold

before

> you got ill from it, and I know that it took you a while to figure

> out what you have sence than. you are no special mold detecter.

after

> anyone affected gets away from it, theri sensativitys surface and

> theri bodys are in protection and detection mode.

> Barb for example might not tottally get how you can detect and

know

> when mold is around but I do and she probably well once she gets

away

> from it for awhile.just how bad you were affected is going to

> deturmine just how sensative you will be to it.and what you were

> exposed to is what you are going to be sensative to. nothing like

> some adviodence to highten your sences to things that have affected

> your body to the point it reacts with even the smallest amount in

the

> air.and believe me, when youre dealing with allergy irratants, food

> allergy irratants mold,mycotoxins and other toxins theres no way to

> aviod it all inless you have a bubble on your head. as far as

> mycotoxin exposure goes, its the same thing that happens with any

> toxin exposure,toxin overload well make you react to all toxins but

> still the ones that caused it well be the worst. ones who are lucky

> enough to only suffer from allergenic and even pathogenic molds are

> still going to get very ill but the toxin exposure is tottally

> different and wouldn't it be wrong to give advice to someone with

the

> lessor effects and have them burn theri home on your advice to

later

> realize it could have be saved? I have knowticed that you give no

> newcomers any advice at all. but you are good at pointing out

things

> in other peoples posts which I dont know about anyone else but I

dont

> need that done for me, I still have a brain and it still works,

just

> not quite as well as it used to. yes, you have had more time sence

> your exposure to think about things, maybe to much. yes, it would

be

> nice if others could learn from our mistakes but as you should know

> that rarely ever

>

happens.

> -- In

> , " erikmoldwarrior "

> <erikmoldwarrior@> wrote:

> >

> > LiveSimply <quackadillian@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Whatever you can do to minimize that moving time is best. In

> > > retrospect, I would have hired somebody to do it if I could have

> > > afforded to, and thrown everything porous out.

> >

> >

> > Livesimply, we tried to warn you in the strongest possible terms

> > that you would wish to have done things differently.

> > Our advice was far stronger than the wording you use in your

> > current advice, yet we still didn't manage to convey the

> seriousness

> > of the situation sufficiently to pursuade you to do exactly what

> you

> > now wish you had done.

> >

> > /message/39319

> >

> > Can you help us to understand why our advice didn't our advice

> seem

> > compelling enough at the time?

> > In retrospect, is there some other way we could have presented

> this

> > information in some much stronger way to help get you through

this

> > stage with fewer missteps?

> > -

> >

>