Re: hey barb1283.....mytotoxicosis.....what is the difference.................

[Guest guest]

That depends on how sick you are. The way I visualize it is that your

body can only take so much of these toxins, and then it starts saying

- I have had enough - in no uncertain terms.. When you reach that

point, you need to listen to it..

Most of us here have gotten to that point and now we get very sick

even when exposed to low levels of mold that wouldn't sicken other

people.. (YET)

I think that this lasts for the rest of your life and its a natural

function of your immune system which gears up immediately to fight

HARD when it senses these poisons that have, in the past, almost

overwhelmed it.

This doesn't seem like such a complicated thing but as there is

politics involved.. (decontaminating moldy buildings can be very

expensive) a lot of people have a vested interest in poo-pooing the

very real health issues because they simply don't want to deal with

it...

For example, all around the country, cities and 'older' suburbs have

first been looted and then abandoned by the people and businesses that

built them and at the same time, they have lost the tax base they need

to do these repairs, while at the same time they often have crushing

pension debts.. (this is a slash and burn style economics, isn't it?)

They have been occupied by formerly poor people fleeing the cities, in

hopes of better schools, less crime, etc. but those problems have

followed them because the jobs have also departed..

They can't afford to tear down and rebuild their schools.. but that is

what they (well, really WE ALL) have to do..

Clearly, we need a different way of taxing that takes these issues

into account.. don't you think?

[Guest guest]

I am beyond that point. I need to get oy now but am to ill to drive.my spouse

is out of town.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: That depends on how sick

you are. The way I visualize it is that your

body can only take so much of these toxins, and then it starts saying

- I have had enough - in no uncertain terms.. When you reach that

point, you need to listen to it..

Most of us here have gotten to that point and now we get very sick

even when exposed to low levels of mold that wouldn't sicken other

people.. (YET)

I think that this lasts for the rest of your life and its a natural

function of your immune system which gears up immediately to fight

HARD when it senses these poisons that have, in the past, almost

overwhelmed it.

This doesn't seem like such a complicated thing but as there is

politics involved.. (decontaminating moldy buildings can be very

expensive) a lot of people have a vested interest in poo-pooing the

very real health issues because they simply don't want to deal with

it...

For example, all around the country, cities and 'older' suburbs have

first been looted and then abandoned by the people and businesses that

built them and at the same time, they have lost the tax base they need

to do these repairs, while at the same time they often have crushing

pension debts.. (this is a slash and burn style economics, isn't it?)

They have been occupied by formerly poor people fleeing the cities, in

hopes of better schools, less crime, etc. but those problems have

followed them because the jobs have also departed..

They can't afford to tear down and rebuild their schools.. but that is

what they (well, really WE ALL) have to do..

Clearly, we need a different way of taxing that takes these issues

into account.. don't you think?

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Is it AFTER you upped the a/c that you notice

eyes burning? If so, you may have problem that I

am having, when air is cooler downstairs than

attic, attic air comes down into living quarters.

The more the difference, the more exchange of

air from attic, assuming there is an attic there

that could cause trouble. This is my first

thought to what you said. Attic air may be bad.

I was feeling better but then started to feel

sick again when summer heated up and humidity

kicked in.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new

> and will read more

> about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I

> upped the air cond, I've

> noticed my eyes BURN all the time!!! I thought

> it was adverse reaction

> from steroid drops I had to take last spring,

> The DIZZINESS and

> FATIGUE and WEIGHT LOSS(down to 136, male,

> 59,5'8''). Read where some

> people not ony move houses, but have to

> COMPLETELY discard ALL

> belongings!!!! WHAT a NIGHTMARE!!!! Thanks for

> your support!!!

> Shybasset

[Guest guest]

I don't think there is a difference, inhalation,

ingestion, absorption through skin, all can cause

mycotoxicosis.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new

> and will read more

> about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I

> upped the air cond, I've

[Guest guest]

i did not know that ac sucked in attic air. i had the fan speed lowered today

on main unit/

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Is it AFTER you upped the a/c that you

notice

eyes burning? If so, you may have problem that I

am having, when air is cooler downstairs than

attic, attic air comes down into living quarters.

The more the difference, the more exchange of

air from attic, assuming there is an attic there

that could cause trouble. This is my first

thought to what you said. Attic air may be bad.

I was feeling better but then started to feel

sick again when summer heated up and humidity

kicked in.

--- shybasset <shybasset@...> wrote:

> between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new

> and will read more

> about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I

> upped the air cond, I've

> noticed my eyes BURN all the time!!! I thought

> it was adverse reaction

> from steroid drops I had to take last spring,

> The DIZZINESS and

> FATIGUE and WEIGHT LOSS(down to 136, male,

> 59,5'8''). Read where some

> people not ony move houses, but have to

> COMPLETELY discard ALL

> belongings!!!! WHAT a NIGHTMARE!!!! Thanks for

> your support!!!

> Shybasset

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This is problem I had this summer. Basement was cleaned up a couple

of years ago. My final improvement I thought was when I put a fresh

air intake into house. I felt soooo much better within a day. Even

pet was hoping around noticeably, so I felt I was over the hump with

my house, then summer hit and boom, I was back on the sofa feeling

sick. I talked to the indoor air quality people on other board and

discovered that in wintertime, heat escapes through ceiling and goes

into attic so heat flow is up and out top of house. However in

summer air flow reverses, and heat flows downward into house. I

thought heat always went up but evidentally it has something to do

with air pressure. When you cool air, it becomes less dense or

smaller in size and so make up air comes from attic. The air up

there is expanding and absorbing moisture and is heavier so wants to

flow downward, so I was getting attic air down into house. I knew

attic air was not good but I didn't think it would bother me down in

house, so now I have to get attic cleaned up too. They also said to

have floor of attic sealed so air from attic does not mix with the

house air, so going to do that. Think of things getting smaller

when cold or expanding when hot and you can picture it. Air

shrinking downstairs and air heating up in attic getting larger and

heavier so heavier air comes down into house. Someone said that

attic air comes down into home in 'air conditioning' season. Did

you have air in attic checked?

IDEAL thing would be to have a strong whole house dehumidifier and

just to keep dry in summer and not to cool much. Perhaps using fans

to move air around to cool, rather than air conditioning. I really

think air conditioning causes more trouble than it is worth.

>

> i did not know that ac sucked in attic air. i had the fan speed

lowered today on main unit/

[Guest guest]

Hi..iris here ( & Tlee)

Were many questions, so I'll just answer them here, as per my own

experiences. I was diagnosed with both invasive aspergillosis,

stachybotyotoxicosis and advanced stages of Trichothcene

poisoning in late jan. 2006. Lived in the toxic home from june 2003

till march 2005. Unknowingly took the toxins into next home.

recently (june 30th) had to vacate the 2nd home..lost most all

possessions, excpet our music studio and computers wheich are in

storage.

My blood pressure has been low a long time. At night I'd wake

up and check it..sometimes 50 over 30. 80 over 40 is " normal " for

me. The BURNING eyes..I have photos of how the 1st home burned my

eyes, skin, face. Actually it burned lungs, stomach, gi tract.

the re-exposre (when forced to vacte 2nd home) completely burned

me all over again. set me backwards. I was outdoors, with gloves

and mask..but the T-2 toxins and dry spores were on everything,

and an increased sensitivity made it very hard.

Now the mcs and sensitivity to molds and mycotoxins make life

very difficult. Looking for new home..but cannot even enter

myslef. mold or chemicals (new paints, persticides, air fresheners

and other things are totally debilitating.

Leaving it behind..that is what anyone needs to do. If you

are not 100% sure the itmes are clean from toxins..Please do NOT

take them with you..they will come back to haunt you.

Dr. Vojdani documented my case for to have both stachy 7 aspergillos

show up in your blood..is very rare. The biopsy confirmed the t-2

poisoning.

I did my first tv interview in health segment last week KC..hope it

will help many of us..I shared the sickbuilding site on the air.

Doing another segment soon, at the toxic home or in front of.

Oh, also had the high levels of trichothecene show up in

the insulation of toxic home. It showed a highly toxic

over 621ppb..

Gotta go..had more, but have no home, and they want the phone.

Love you all..iris & Tlee

Also Tlee got the same rare test results as I did last month. that

pretty much proves it di happen.

later.

iris

www.centurydemos.com

centurydemos@...

>

> between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new and will read more

> about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I upped the air cond,

I've

> noticed my eyes BURN all the time!!! I thought it was adverse

reaction

> from steroid drops I had to take last spring, The DIZZINESS and

> FATIGUE and WEIGHT LOSS(down to 136, male, 59,5'8''). Read where some

> people not ony move houses, but have to COMPLETELY discard ALL

> belongings!!!! WHAT a NIGHTMARE!!!! Thanks for your support!!!

> Shybasset

>

[Guest guest]

hi--You are in my prayers. This brought me to tears because I am in the same

situation. MCS is worse.

I hope you find a home. I am unable to leave mine and spouse will not look.

May God bless you.

Leigh

centurydemos <centurydemos@...> wrote:

Hi..iris here ( & Tlee)

Were many questions, so I'll just answer them here, as per my own

experiences. I was diagnosed with both invasive aspergillosis,

stachybotyotoxicosis and advanced stages of Trichothcene

poisoning in late jan. 2006. Lived in the toxic home from june 2003

till march 2005. Unknowingly took the toxins into next home.

recently (june 30th) had to vacate the 2nd home..lost most all

possessions, excpet our music studio and computers wheich are in

storage.

My blood pressure has been low a long time. At night I'd wake

up and check it..sometimes 50 over 30. 80 over 40 is " normal " for

me. The BURNING eyes..I have photos of how the 1st home burned my

eyes, skin, face. Actually it burned lungs, stomach, gi tract.

the re-exposre (when forced to vacte 2nd home) completely burned

me all over again. set me backwards. I was outdoors, with gloves

and mask..but the T-2 toxins and dry spores were on everything,

and an increased sensitivity made it very hard.

Now the mcs and sensitivity to molds and mycotoxins make life

very difficult. Looking for new home..but cannot even enter

myslef. mold or chemicals (new paints, persticides, air fresheners

and other things are totally debilitating.

Leaving it behind..that is what anyone needs to do. If you

are not 100% sure the itmes are clean from toxins..Please do NOT

take them with you..they will come back to haunt you.

Dr. Vojdani documented my case for to have both stachy 7 aspergillos

show up in your blood..is very rare. The biopsy confirmed the t-2

poisoning.

I did my first tv interview in health segment last week KC..hope it

will help many of us..I shared the sickbuilding site on the air.

Doing another segment soon, at the toxic home or in front of.

Oh, also had the high levels of trichothecene show up in

the insulation of toxic home. It showed a highly toxic

over 621ppb..

Gotta go..had more, but have no home, and they want the phone.

Love you all..iris & Tlee

Also Tlee got the same rare test results as I did last month. that

pretty much proves it di happen.

later.

iris

www.centurydemos.com

centurydemos@...

>

> between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new and will read more

> about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I upped the air cond,

I've

> noticed my eyes BURN all the time!!! I thought it was adverse

reaction

> from steroid drops I had to take last spring, The DIZZINESS and

> FATIGUE and WEIGHT LOSS(down to 136, male, 59,5'8''). Read where some

> people not ony move houses, but have to COMPLETELY discard ALL

> belongings!!!! WHAT a NIGHTMARE!!!! Thanks for your support!!!

> Shybasset

>

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my breathing problems are so bad i can not tolerate not operating the system. i

had a new cedar roof put on here 2 years ago and that is some of the problem.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: This is problem I had this summer.

Basement was cleaned up a couple

of years ago. My final improvement I thought was when I put a fresh

air intake into house. I felt soooo much better within a day. Even

pet was hoping around noticeably, so I felt I was over the hump with

my house, then summer hit and boom, I was back on the sofa feeling

sick. I talked to the indoor air quality people on other board and

discovered that in wintertime, heat escapes through ceiling and goes

into attic so heat flow is up and out top of house. However in

summer air flow reverses, and heat flows downward into house. I

thought heat always went up but evidentally it has something to do

with air pressure. When you cool air, it becomes less dense or

smaller in size and so make up air comes from attic. The air up

there is expanding and absorbing moisture and is heavier so wants to

flow downward, so I was getting attic air down into house. I knew

attic air was not good but I didn't think it would bother me down in

house, so now I have to get attic cleaned up too. They also said to

have floor of attic sealed so air from attic does not mix with the

house air, so going to do that. Think of things getting smaller

when cold or expanding when hot and you can picture it. Air

shrinking downstairs and air heating up in attic getting larger and

heavier so heavier air comes down into house. Someone said that

attic air comes down into home in 'air conditioning' season. Did

you have air in attic checked?

IDEAL thing would be to have a strong whole house dehumidifier and

just to keep dry in summer and not to cool much. Perhaps using fans

to move air around to cool, rather than air conditioning. I really

think air conditioning causes more trouble than it is worth.

>

> i did not know that ac sucked in attic air. i had the fan speed

lowered today on main unit/

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[Guest guest]

Leigh, does the cedar bother you or do you think

it is moldy?

Can you afford to put in a powerful whole house

dehumidifier like the Sante Fe? A couple

thousand dollars probably by the time it is

installed. Fletch may have better estimate

unless he did work himself. That would keep your

house very dry and you wouldn't need the a/c as

much. You can hook a fresh air intake into them

and it will dehumidify the incoming fresh air.

This problem can break you financially as well as

physically, right?

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> my breathing problems are so bad i can not

> tolerate not operating the system. i had a new

> cedar roof put on here 2 years ago and that is

> some of the problem.

>

[Guest guest]

i am blowing this cedar stachy hole which does not test stachy and buying a

house on 2 acres. i will figure out what to do to my next one when i get

there.///cedar gives off terpines, flame retardant, pesticides and fungicides.

house smells like pine sol. as the roof ages, it will mold. so i have been

poisoned by stachy and cedar.

i have a door open to the outside now and i am thrilled to not be freezing to

death with ac to keep down mold. i am busting out soon and not looking back. i

feel a modicum of energy just with a bit of fresh air. and the humidity is less

than when ac is on full tilt. next house--commercial units with fresh air

intake and dehumidifier on the line. about half dead from living here, have to

take whats left of me and get happy back.

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Leigh, does the cedar bother you or do

you think

it is moldy?

Can you afford to put in a powerful whole house

dehumidifier like the Sante Fe? A couple

thousand dollars probably by the time it is

installed. Fletch may have better estimate

unless he did work himself. That would keep your

house very dry and you wouldn't need the a/c as

much. You can hook a fresh air intake into them

and it will dehumidify the incoming fresh air.

This problem can break you financially as well as

physically, right?

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> my breathing problems are so bad i can not

> tolerate not operating the system. i had a new

> cedar roof put on here 2 years ago and that is

> some of the problem.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Iris, I was wondering if you ever did that amonia bath thing. I

just wanted to know what happened after. I was worried when you

talked about doing that. Just interested. Thanks,

>

> Hi..iris here ( & Tlee)

>

> Were many questions, so I'll just answer them here, as per my own

> experiences. I was diagnosed with both invasive aspergillosis,

> stachybotyotoxicosis and advanced stages of Trichothcene

> poisoning in late jan. 2006. Lived in the toxic home from june 2003

> till march 2005. Unknowingly took the toxins into next home.

>

> recently (june 30th) had to vacate the 2nd home..lost most all

> possessions, excpet our music studio and computers wheich are in

> storage.

>

> My blood pressure has been low a long time. At night I'd wake

> up and check it..sometimes 50 over 30. 80 over 40 is " normal " for

> me. The BURNING eyes..I have photos of how the 1st home burned my

> eyes, skin, face. Actually it burned lungs, stomach, gi tract.

>

> the re-exposre (when forced to vacte 2nd home) completely burned

> me all over again. set me backwards. I was outdoors, with gloves

> and mask..but the T-2 toxins and dry spores were on everything,

> and an increased sensitivity made it very hard.

>

> Now the mcs and sensitivity to molds and mycotoxins make life

> very difficult. Looking for new home..but cannot even enter

> myslef. mold or chemicals (new paints, persticides, air fresheners

> and other things are totally debilitating.

>

> Leaving it behind..that is what anyone needs to do. If you

> are not 100% sure the itmes are clean from toxins..Please do NOT

> take them with you..they will come back to haunt you.

>

> Dr. Vojdani documented my case for to have both stachy 7

aspergillos

> show up in your blood..is very rare. The biopsy confirmed the t-2

> poisoning.

>

> I did my first tv interview in health segment last week KC..hope

it

> will help many of us..I shared the sickbuilding site on the air.

>

> Doing another segment soon, at the toxic home or in front of.

>

> Oh, also had the high levels of trichothecene show up in

> the insulation of toxic home. It showed a highly toxic

> over 621ppb..

>

> Gotta go..had more, but have no home, and they want the phone.

> Love you all..iris & Tlee

>

> Also Tlee got the same rare test results as I did last month. that

> pretty much proves it di happen.

>

> later.

> iris

> www.centurydemos.com

> centurydemos@...

>

>

>

> --- In , " shybasset " <shybasset@>

wrote:

> >

> > between THAT and mold spore injestion? I'm new and will read more

> > about it, but thanks for reply.....seems as I upped the air cond,

> I've

> > noticed my eyes BURN all the time!!! I thought it was adverse

> reaction

> > from steroid drops I had to take last spring, The DIZZINESS and

> > FATIGUE and WEIGHT LOSS(down to 136, male, 59,5'8''). Read where

some

> > people not ony move houses, but have to COMPLETELY discard ALL

> > belongings!!!! WHAT a NIGHTMARE!!!! Thanks for your support!!!

> > Shybasset

> >

>