Re: Re: Anyone shown Mercury poisoning results to GP? Vaccine compensation?

[Guest guest]

2007/1/9, Lara :

> Also can anyone tell me how he can be tested for yeast ? > thank you

> Lara

At least 4 ways

1 Stool culture / analysis

2 Organic acid analysis

3 Immunological analyzes

4 - just a diet trial - and / or treatment trial

none of them are completely " Safe / true " ,

perhaps 2 is " best " , while 4 is " cheapest " ...

Geir Flatabø

[Guest guest]

2007/1/10, anneecbrynn :

> Sandy,

the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,

No

It tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are

" made " there.

> It gives

> no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,

Well it gives some clue,

ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals everywher

in the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and vice

versa..

Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will increase

faster than brain accumulate metals,

and when chelating,

kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins than expected...

[Guest guest]

Geir,

Are you saying that if you take the porphyrin test while chelating or close to chelation it will come up as "less" toxic than expected?

Thanks,

Re: Re: Anyone shown Mercury poisoning results to GP? Vaccine compensation?

2007/1/10, anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn >:> Sandy,the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,NoIt tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are"made " there.> It gives> no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,Well it gives some clue,ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals everywherin the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and viceversa..Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will increasefaster than brain accumulate metals,and when chelating,kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins than expected...

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if there is disagreement among professionals, it was always my understanding that the porphyrins were originated in the kidneys, but Andy is saying it is in the liver?

Can you assume if it is in either the liver or the kidneys it is everywhere in the body equally?

Re: Re: Anyone shown Mercury poisoning results to GP? Vaccine compensation?

2007/1/10, anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn >:> Sandy,the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,NoIt tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are"made " there.> It gives> no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,Well it gives some clue,ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals everywherin the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and viceversa..Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will increasefaster than brain accumulate metals,and when chelating,kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins than expected...

[Guest guest]

Probably yes.

Porphyrin test as a way to measure metal toxicity is rather new

like much else in Autism evaluation and treatment,

so to be true we don`t know / have experience of too much yet.

Autism mercury toxicity is seen mostly in brain( and gut and immunesystem ?),

and it takes time for body to adjust when removing metals,

probably are the porphyrins adjusting faster than the rest " .

Geir Flatabø

2007/1/11, Cochran :

Geir,

Are you saying that if you take the porphyrin test while chelating or close to chelation it will come up as " less " toxic than expected?

Thanks,

Re: Re: Anyone shown Mercury poisoning results to GP? Vaccine compensation?

2007/1/10, anneecbrynn :> Sandy,the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,

NoIt tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are " made " there.> It gives> no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,Well it gives some clue,

ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals everywherin the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and viceversa..Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will increase

faster than brain accumulate metals,and when chelating,kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins than expected...

[Guest guest]

We might be both wrong,

I`ve looked it up:

Porphyrins are a result of disturbed Heme synthesis. Absolutely main Hemesynthesis is in growing red blood cells, they are " made " mostly in bone marrow, in disease states liver might harbour red blood cell making. So also in fetus.

And then the main excretory route is kidneys.

Pyrroles also mentioned in Autism is a precursor to Porphyrins.

In necropsies and tissue samples, there is most Mercury to be found in brain and kindneys,

I`ve never understood why, but might be because of

blood / brain barrier, keeping it inside, and

kidneys beeing prone to pick up Hg meant to be excreted through urine.

So when chelating, kidney and peripheral mercury first leaves, lowering porphyrins,

while brain mercury goes out at a slower pace.

Geir Flatabø

2007/1/11, Cochran :

I'm wondering if there is disagreement among professionals, it was always my understanding that the porphyrins were originated in the kidneys, but Andy is saying it is in the liver?

Can you assume if it is in either the liver or the kidneys it is everywhere in the body equally?

Re: Re: Anyone shown Mercury poisoning results to GP? Vaccine compensation?

2007/1/10, anneecbrynn :> Sandy,the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,

NoIt tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are " made " there.> It gives> no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,Well it gives some clue,

ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals everywherin the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and viceversa..Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will increase

faster than brain accumulate metals,and when chelating,kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins than expected...

[Guest guest]

From what we have seen in other patients, Porphyrins is low

immideately after IV chelation , and rises in 3 weeks,

but have not looked at it systematically,

Lab Philipe ought to know..

Geir Flatabø

2007/1/11, anneecbrynn :

> Geir,

>

> Thanks for futhering this discussion! Do you think there is an

> optimum period of time after chelating (a three day round, say) to

> run a porphyrins test?

>

> Anne

>

>

> >

> > 2007/1/10, anneecbrynn :

> > > Sandy,

> > the porphyrin test results only indicate liver toxicity,

> >

> > No

> > It tells about the kidney / renal metal load, as the porphyrins are

> > " made " there.

> >

> > > It gives

> > > no indication of brain burden, etc. > Best,

> >

> > Well it gives some clue,

> > ususally ther will in long term be equilibration of metals

> everywher

> > in the body, if high in brain, then also high in kindneys - and

> vice

> > versa..

> > Onøy when interrupting by new toxic load, the porphyrins will

> increase

> > faster than brain accumulate metals,

> > and when chelating,

> > kidneys will loose metals faster, and will show less porphyrins

> than expected...

> >

>

>

>

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