Re: urine mycotoxin tests -results??

[Guest guest]

How do these people afford to keep testing everything?

I've been repeatedly told my insurance wouldn't cover it and they are

all very expensive.

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> How do these people afford to keep testing everything?

>

> I've been repeatedly told my insurance wouldn't cover it and they are

> all very expensive.

That is too ironic!

Testing and medical bills broke me.

And when Dr finally told me " You are at a point where most

people with CFS commit suicide " and that the impossibly expensive

ampligen was my only hope, but that it was financially out of reach,

I went all-out concentrating on doing my own testing to determine just

how much how mycotoxins were affecting me.

It wasn't until I performed my own simple tests and acted in

accordance with the results that I finally managed to crawl out of

what appeared to be an impossibly deep hole.

-

[Guest guest]

kathryn miller wrote:

>

> - Do you remember the type of test that is performed to find

mycotoxins in the tissue from a biopsy? Thanks Kathie

>

No, I sure don't.

Years ago the test was horribly expensive and only indicated the

presence, but did not quantify levels.

And the doctors did not recognize any mycotoxin standards for

toxicity so you still couldn't use it to support your case or get

treatment.

So I didn't bother.

-

[Guest guest]

Haley, it's just the urine mycotoxin test that Dr

Croft does, sent directly to him. He legite,

does testing for Dr Rea on certain things.

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Hmmmm. I have yet to see a mycotoxin test that

> is only $100... My neighbor spent upwards of

> $3K finding out which toxin killed her son.

> I've spent several hundred ruling things out

> but haven't yet found what I've got...

>

> ~Haley

>

[Guest guest]

I believe dr. hooper does dr. rea's testing now. they are in the same complex.

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Haley, it's

just the urine mycotoxin test that Dr

Croft does, sent directly to him. He legite,

does testing for Dr Rea on certain things.

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Hmmmm. I have yet to see a mycotoxin test that

> is only $100... My neighbor spent upwards of

> $3K finding out which toxin killed her son.

> I've spent several hundred ruling things out

> but haven't yet found what I've got...

>

> ~Haley

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Leigh, I don't know for certain but Dr Croft

just does certain types of tests. I think Rea

uses Dr Croft. From what I have heard from other

people that go there Dr Rea uses a number of

resources, people, sends things out to other

places, etc.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> I believe dr. hooper does dr. rea's testing

> now. they are in the same complex.

>

[Guest guest]

Leigh, This is really unimportant to the topic.

I was just telling person where she can get urine

test for one hundred dollars for mycotoxins and

that is Dr Croft. Someone thought that was too

cheap for valid mycotoxin test, so I mentioned he

is/was used by Dr Rea to validate his competence

in spite of inexpensive price. Whether he is

doing them now or not isn't important. However,

since it has become a topic at the moment,

hopefully short one, I just talked to the Center

just a couple of weeks ago regarding an

appointment for myself and a test I wanted and

she said he would sent that out to be done and so

I should not expect results to be available while

I am there, so all tests are not done there. So

if Hooper, whoever he is, is at the center, then

he does not do all the testing. Mycotoxin urine

test many people have taken for one hundred

dollars is done by Dr Croft in Wisconsin, at

address already posted. If Dr Rea doesn't use

him now, he used to. He also does mycotoxin

testing for WI allergy clinic many go to. I just

don't think the test is that helpful in that you

do not know if mycotoxins you have are from old

exposure or new one since they hang around so

long. However if you want to know, it easy to

have done. No prescription is required. He is a

research phd in mycotoxicology and other fungal

related things.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> lately, it is hooper.

>

> bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

> Hi Leigh, I don't know for

> certain but Dr Croft

> just does certain types of tests. I think Rea

> uses Dr Croft. From what I have heard from

> other

> people that go there Dr Rea uses a number of

> resources, people, sends things out to other

> places, etc.

>

> --- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

> wrote:

>

> > I believe dr. hooper does dr. rea's testing

> > now. they are in the same complex.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Hooper has done urine testing for me, but generally they do one mycotoxin

group at a time... If Dr. Croft can do all mycotoxins for under a hundred,

that's a bargain, but, I kinda don't think it works that way. For instance,

I've had separate tests for Trichothecene and Aftlotoxins -

~Haley

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote:

I believe dr. hooper does dr. rea's testing now. they are in the same

complex.

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Haley, it's just the urine mycotoxin test that

Dr

Croft does, sent directly to him. He legite,

does testing for Dr Rea on certain things.

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Hmmmm. I have yet to see a mycotoxin test that

> is only $100... My neighbor spent upwards of

> $3K finding out which toxin killed her son.

> I've spent several hundred ruling things out

> but haven't yet found what I've got...

>

> ~Haley

>

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[Guest guest]

I don't doubt Dr. Croft is totally legit - he developed the urine tests and all.

But which specific mycotoxins can be identified through this test/series of

tests? My point is simply that I haven't heard of one test looking for a full

range of mycotoxins.

~Haley

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

Haley, it's just the urine mycotoxin test that Dr

Croft does, sent directly to him. He legite,

does testing for Dr Rea on certain things.

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Hmmmm. I have yet to see a mycotoxin test that

> is only $100... My neighbor spent upwards of

> $3K finding out which toxin killed her son.

> I've spent several hundred ruling things out

> but haven't yet found what I've got...

>

> ~Haley

>

~Haley

[Guest guest]

exactly.

Haley <myhaze@...> wrote: Dr. Hooper has

done urine testing for me, but generally they do one mycotoxin group at a

time... If Dr. Croft can do all mycotoxins for under a hundred, that's a

bargain, but, I kinda don't think it works that way. For instance, I've had

separate tests for Trichothecene and Aftlotoxins -

~Haley

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote:

I believe dr. hooper does dr. rea's testing now. they are in the same

complex.

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Haley, it's just the urine mycotoxin test that

Dr

Croft does, sent directly to him. He legite,

does testing for Dr Rea on certain things.

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Hmmmm. I have yet to see a mycotoxin test that

> is only $100... My neighbor spent upwards of

> $3K finding out which toxin killed her son.

> I've spent several hundred ruling things out

> but haven't yet found what I've got...

>

> ~Haley

>

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[Guest guest]

Could someone post Dr. Croft's address and whatever info one needs to

send with the sample?

If anyone has a sample report they could photograph or scan too, I;d

really like to see it. (you can remove any identifying information)

[Guest guest]

A. Croft

Environmental Diagnostics Group, Inc.

N. 9178 County Rd. A

Crivitz, WI 54114

715-757-3756

doccroft@...

http://www.mold-survivor.com/fungalexposure.html

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Could someone post Dr. Croft's address and whatever info one needs to

> send with the sample?

>

> If anyone has a sample report they could photograph or scan too, I;d

> really like to see it. (you can remove any identifying information)

>

[Guest guest]

as far as i know, dr. crofts urine test is for trichathecene

mycotoxins, i cant say what the cost is for sure. i do know he either

is in the prosses of, or has a patent on it, and to my lastest

knowledge, he still works closely with dr.

Rea

> >

> > Could someone post Dr. Croft's address and whatever info one

needs to

> > send with the sample?

> >

> > If anyone has a sample report they could photograph or scan too,

I;d

> > really like to see it. (you can remove any identifying

information)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here are excerpts from 2 emails I received from Dr. Croft. I never did this

because I was specifically interested in T-2 toxin, not trichothecenes in

general. As far as I know, he does not break the trichothecenes down into

specific ones and it only shows if you have been exposed within the last 40

hours. Since these are old, I don't know if the cost has changed.

April 7, 2004

The urine test and the detection of trichothecene mycotoxins within your

urine dates the exposure to the last 40 hours.

Dr. Croft

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July 15th, 2005

Here is what I believe you should do, send me a urine assay, collect 1 liter

of urine, label date of collection and your name on it. Write me a note asking

me to assay the urine for Trichothecene Mycotoxins and place sample into a water

bottle that does not leak. Send to Dr. A. Croft, N9178 County Road A.,

Crivitz, WI 54114. Please enclose a check for $250.00. You can send over night

via FedEX.

Dr. Croft

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[Guest guest]

Dr Crofts tests:

I pulled out test results from him. He only

tests for Trichothecene mycotoxins OR that is all

he tested for me. It was a 24 hour collection.

He also tested for bacteria of which there was

none. He said in results I scored an 8 out of a

possible 18. In conclusion he writes that " There

is no safe level of Tricothecene mycotoxins. The

central nervous system including the brain and

spinal cord, and lungs are primary target organs.

This mycotoxin can affect every cell in the

body, with the brain, lungs, immune sysem,

gastrointestinal and reproductive organs being

the most vulnerable. The health effects are

cumulative in their effects on the body and

exposure should be avoided at all costs. ...It

goes on.

You can call Dr Hooper and ask if he will do

urine test for you without a Rx or see if your

doctor will order one if you want to know about

other mycotoxins. I just suggested Dr Croft only

in the light that no Rx was necessary and cost is

reasonable, in response to post about expenses of

testing. I don't know if he tests for aflatoxin.

After Dr Hooper does tests, what are some

suggestions as to how to get rid of them? I know

they do saunas down there. Is that the main way

he recommends?

--- Haley <myhaze@...> wrote:

> Dr. Hooper has done urine testing for me, but

> generally they do one mycotoxin group at a

> time... If Dr. Croft can do all mycotoxins for

> under a hundred, that's a bargain, but, I kinda

> don't think it works that way. For instance,

> I've had separate tests for Trichothecene and

> Aftlotoxins

[Guest guest]

Thanks KC. I would have looked it up but was at

work today. Everything is so expensive, to me it

was one of least expensive tests I took,

especially when you consider you don't need to

see a doctor to get a Rx to have it done and

don't need to see the doctor again to get the

results. Then again so often I have paid for the

time and money expense for office visit hoping to

be tested and I come away without any test, so

there is another savings you have to include. I

like these do it yourself things. As you said,

someone said $100 and I thought he was referring

to the urine test from Dr Croft and just

defending that his tests could be trusted. I

don't have cancelled check from 2004 to check.

Sorry I was wrong on the price. Thanks for

helping out everyone.

--- tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

> A. Croft

> Environmental Diagnostics Group, Inc.

> N. 9178 County Rd. A

> Crivitz, WI 54114

> 715-757-3756

> doccroft@...

>

http://www.mold-survivor.com/fungalexposure.html

>

[Guest guest]

The 40 hour time frame is is really shocking to

me and was not mentioned in letter I got from

him, since I did get it out to look at! That

means at the time I took my test, after having

cleaned out the house and air tests being good

that I was still getting a whopping 8 out of 18

on test, when he says any amount is too much!

According to him, zero is correct amount.

I also am very surprised since another person who

also scored near me on this test and whom many

people here probably, her husband built her a

brand new home from scratched, specifically due

to her mold problems and she practically travels

around in a bubble has high mycotoxins in spite

of all that effort!! Also trips to Dallas, the

saunas there and at home, etc, and she still has

those high levels. Many of you probably know who

I mean, but don't want to tell her story for her,

to mean that her last test she scored so high, is

unbelievable. That just leads me to believe what

I have for a long time that the fungus is INSIDE

ME, where it is making my own mycotoxins.

Certainly I have not practiced avoidance like

has but this woman I'm referring to

certainly did and she was not having any more

success at getting rid of them. I might be the

source, which is a depressing scenerio. ***Oh

well, I'll hold on to only thing I may have been

right on this discussion, that Dr Croft is a

respected expert in mycotoxin research.

--- Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:

> Here are excerpts from 2 emails I received from

> Dr. Croft. I never did this because I was

> specifically interested in T-2 toxin, not

> trichothecenes in general. As far as I know, he

>

[Guest guest]

I think Croft examines other tissue besides

urine. Person I know mentioned earlier, he

examined tissues from abdominal surgery from her

which were removed in surgery and he did that for

Dr Rea, but I don't know the status of their

affiliation. Anyway, woman had cancer and I was

hoping to have Dr Rea do same for me as I had

surgery that found cancer in 2004. One doctor I

saw recently thought results of pathology lab

looked like fungus could be involved, so would

like discuss with Dr Rea. It would be nice to

know what is probable cause. I was ALREADY in

this mold group prior to need for surgery and

suspecting mold and fungus but as we all know

noone to listen to or care to check it out, then

I went in to remove something and there was small

amount of cancer, very small but there just the

same, pre stage one, on ovarian cyst, so would

like this done. Maybe I should redo mycotoxin

urine test to see if levels have been reduced

since I put fresh air intake in, and done some

detoxing. If they are the same, I will be very

discouraged.

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> as far as i know, dr. crofts urine test is for

> trichathecene

> mycotoxins, i cant say what the cost is for

> sure. i do know he either

> is in the prosses of, or has a patent on it,

> and to my lastest

> knowledge, he still works closely with dr.

> Rea

>

>

[Guest guest]

One LITER of urine.. whoa..

That sounds like it is probably wrong as I doubt if most of us can pee

a full liter except over a day or two... Especially not if you are

sweating (i.e. hot weather) that fluid is going out through your skin,

much more than your urine..

IMO...

better pack it well or the USPS might get angry!