Re: Flooding in UK OT now origins of heartinmymouth/Native

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I was/am also involved with a native american indian group (my

uncle was 1/2 native american Indian from Canada on his fathers side

" Uessians " *

??What does this mean? . .

~Becky

What's the word for " speaking three languages " ? Trilingual.

What's the word for " speaking two languages " ? Bilingual.

What's the word for " speaking only one language " ? American.

Actually i think if we are to call ourselves American although

some of us like 1st people for Native Americans like the Chicksaw

and the name comes from Amerigo Vaspucci? Shouldn't they teach

Portugese in public school or at least one indigenous language.

But i regress my great grandmother was Polly Blue a Hugenot and

indigenous person. Her tribe is not acknowledged by Native

peoples and if you are not raised in a tribe there is a feeling

that you can't claim your blood line or own pipestone.

yan ta Ya ya Ho Wa

Kwakacamish

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> I was/am also involved with a native american indian group (my

> uncle was 1/2 native american Indian from Canada on his fathers side

> " Uessians " *

> ??What does this mean? . .

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U.S.-ian. It's a synthesized name for a citizen of the U.S. People

from Korea are Koreans, people from Russia are Russians; people from

the US should be Uessians, not Americans. Everyone from the American

countries is denoted by the name of their country--Canadians,

Paraguayans, Brazilians, Guatamalans--except US residents, who have

appropriated for their own use the name of not one but *two*

continents.

Anyway, that's what Uessian means.

~B

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my great grandmother was Polly Blue a Hugenot and

> indigenous person. Her tribe is not acknowledged by Native

> peoples and if you are not raised in a tribe there is a feeling

> that you can't claim your blood line or own pipestone.

> yan ta Ya ya Ho Wa

> Kwakacamish

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Seems that ethnocentrism is not limited to US residents of northern

European descent. Exclusionary attitudes and practices hurt

everyone.

Do you have any familiarity with tradition scented materials used by

the indigenous peoples related to your family--or any others? I know

the common ones, but I can't find much information about the more

esoteric or geographically limited ones.

I'm interested in the connection between the indigenous peoples'

cultures, medical traditions, culinary traditions, and

perfumery/cosmetics. For most peoples living close to the earth,

these areas of life were much more intertwined than in our " modern "

societies. I don't think we've made progress in this area.

Thanks!

~Becky

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Becky, some of the medicine people dont tell you what they are using....as far

as scent, Indian perfume (horsemint), Patchouli, tho not ancient, its huge with

pow wow dancers, Sweet grass, Wild sage, the silver or white . My spouse is not

on the Dawe's rolls. An uncle who had the info died in a fire and that went with

him (he stated it would NEVER be known) and I know many native peoples did not

get recognized by the govt or tribes because they didn't sign one more paper,

the one they would need. Pinion , cedar and different barks were used as well.

I know full bloods who are not recognized because they do not have a CDIB card

and those who do have one will say 'I resent that I have to have a pedigree' but

if you set up at a pow wow or claim allegiance to a tribe, you better have one

because they will check it.

I can track my husbands family thru the trail of tears, one of those who

traveled with them has a descendent who is a bonified cherokee and did get a

number is now a Senator. Many left the trail in missouri, died, often those who

took census mispelled the names and some paid census takers to list them as

white. I do have two census they are checked off as 'indian, mullato or negro'

and then suddenly the next census white. I have picks from 1870 to 1900 of

clearly native peoples , his ggrandmother in hand made moccasins and a braid.

Used a cradle board , the whole ball of wax. So, that said, My husband was

'gifted' an eagle feather and later an eagle claw. He can't let anyone know

because its against the law for those without a CDIB card to own those. Even tho

he is indian.

Plants that could be powdered and worn were used in the old days. Indiane

perfume was used to stuff in buckskins around areas one would sweat to keep that

from making the buck skin smell.

I'll get out my books. I have some scents written down. Contrary to what history

said, these peoples were clean and knew plants that would lather, clean their

hair and their garments.

Some are sacred so if so, then I can't share that. But general info I can.

I do however know that a soap in Austin is made from indian perfume. I have

harvested quite a bit of it. I'll let you know how it turns out.

evie

on the irish side, my mom always like a particular rose, citrus rinds, and

lavender. Especially lavender. You can use that for scent, medicine, lit, it

smells similar to sweet grass and we all know that lavender was a common perfume

for ladies long ago.

incense and Myrrrh, Copal are not unknown .

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> U.S.-ian. It's a synthesized name for a citizen of the U.S. People

> from Korea are Koreans, people from Russia are Russians; people from

> the US should be Uessians, not Americans. Everyone from the American

> countries is denoted by the name of their country--Canadians,

> Paraguayans, Brazilians, Guatamalans--except US residents, who have

> appropriated for their own use the name of not one but *two*

> continents.

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Hi Folks.....

I beg to differ.........

I am an American, and if you insist otherwise....them's fightin'

words....<G>....!

I'm also a Wisconsinite.....

As far as the synthesized name....as above it's incomplete...

It would be a United States of American......

On dosen't abbreviate the countries' names in other cases......

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W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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> Hi Folks.....

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> I beg to differ.........

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> I am an American, and if you insist otherwise....them's fightin'

> words....<G>....!

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>> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> A.J.P. (GIA)

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Hi ,

My apologies for trampling on toes--I'm not looking for a fight here

in any way. I live in North Dakota, USA, and have lived in ND and

Minnesota my entire life (almost half a century).

I work for the university system, and deal with ethnocentrism every

workday.

I think Ambrosia is right: the problem is humans.

Sorry to have offended.

~Becky

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>> Hi Folks.....

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>> I beg to differ.........

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>> I am an American, and if you insist otherwise....them's fightin'

>> words....<G>....!

> Hi ,

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> My apologies for trampling on toes--I'm not looking for a fight here

> in any way. I live in North Dakota, USA, and have lived in ND and

> Minnesota my entire life (almost half a century).

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> I work for the university system, and deal with ethnocentrism every

> workday.

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> I think Ambrosia is right: the problem is humans.

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> Sorry to have offended.

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Hiya Becky....

No offense taken....<G>.....

Folks can call me a United States of American any time.....

Just as our good friends to the North are Canadians or to the South are

Mexicans, Brazilians, Colombians, etc.....

But a Uessian....

The proper synthesis is rather awkward in it's long form, so better if

it's just American....

And I'd too agree with Ambrosia...it's the nature of the species..

I call us Homo Sap biologically......I find it hard to often refer to us

as Sapiens sapiens......

That would mean the wise, wise man.....

Looking around, I'd find that hard to swallow at times...

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W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

Who's ethnically Canadian and Finlander......

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> Hiya Becky....

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> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> A.J.P. (GIA)

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> Who's ethnically Canadian and Finlander......

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my best friend Dr. Betsy is the granddaughter of a lovely Finnish woman and her

mother is pure Finnish.

Bb I don't think I answered your question though you want Canadian Finns, only.

OOPS

Me, I am Scots-Irish and Northumbrian, hope that counts. Bb

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LOL........I have a friend who was born in San and I asked him how to

translate into Spanish 'soap making' and he gave me static and said 'if I did it

like you said I'd sound dumb. you have to say 'how to make soap' and then he

said 'how come you asked me? (couldnt have been the cheech marin accent!) and I

said 'well you said you're mexican and this book is going to also be sold there

and he said 'well , when I was in viet nam they wasn't shooting at the mexican

flag, they was shootin at me and that red white and blue!'

 

We are a nation of many ethinicities. Out of one, many. But it also helps to

know the history of your ancestors , see how they lived, what their traditions

are, how they came to be here , mine came mainly in 1892 so at least I can state

my family never owned slaves....in fact I think they were endentured slaves LOL!

 

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