My son's only 3 and drugs offered by paed

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In a message dated 20/12/2006 21:03:13 GMT Standard Time, bbrowne123@... writes:

Am asking if any of your children are like this? My son jumps up and down constantly, runs/bolts whenver he gets the chance, never sits still. I dont believe for one minute that this is due to "autism" whatever that is. I think its due to the fact that something is "driving" him to distraction.

>>Sam was exactly like this when he was younger, all that has improved with biomed, he is 'purposefully active' now. HNI Enzymes helped a lot, chelation too but mostly I think sorting gut bugs and getting his supplement cocktail right.

Does he have play skills at all? (Sam has hardly any STILL), he may be active in this way because he not sure what else to actually do as well as the sensory issues. Hard work for sure for sure, my thought are with you

Mandi x

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took m y boy to the paed today (only use him to get O.T/SLT etc)

She was not " happy " with the way my son bounces off the walls and

said that all his " movement " is stimming and that its probably going

to get worse, in that he is sensory seeking, etc.

He said that i may want to " medicate " when he gets older and also

said i looked " tired " and would i like to try " something " with him.

I told him to shove it basically, that i would never give drugs to

my son for my benefit.

However, he had a point in that my son is only 3 and I can just

about handle his jumping all over the place. He climbs, he runs, he

falls on the floor, his compliance is virtually zero.

Am asking if any of your children are like this? My son jumps up and

down constantly, runs/bolts whenver he gets the chance, never sits

still. I dont believe for one minute that this is due to " autism "

whatever that is. I think its due to the fact that something

is " driving " him to distraction.

What are people's thoughts on the " hyper " kids?? My boy weighs 42

pounds and he is exceptionally strong. The older I get the less

strength i have and i worry about how i actually will handle him if

biomed can't get this under control. The school cant handle him

either which is why i had to take him out.

thanks people

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What i was wondering from you all is what is your theories on "hyperactivity" apart from the biomed aspects. is there more to being "hyper" and having stimming through movement, than just biomed issues?

>>Maybe - Sam is much calmer since we have been doing the brushing - Neuro Developmental Therapy. I need to write a proper post about it. Was your lad born by Caesarian? I took my middle NT with us last time and he has every single retined reflex there is to have - my jaw was on the floor watching him slowly reflex into servere spastic pose in front of my eyes Bob the brushing man said by defination every child born by C section IS developmentally delayed. Passing through the birth canal is one ofthe first triggers foe these immature reflexes to resolve - Tom footling breech, Joe lateral lie and Sam my choice given the mess my tummy was in and he was 3rd delivery in 2.3 years

I have some info saved on it somewhere, I highly recommned an assessment

Mandi x

PS the other issue is of course Glutamates/Yasko stuff. Did you ever try 5HTP and or GABA?

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I can understand your paediatrician's point of view in so far as a

bigger child might be unmanageable. A toddler can be picked up and

"managed" even a larger child cannot be. My daughter was briefly in a

lea special autism school. The level of random violence was horrific.

The school was staffed by huge, six foot tall men in their 20/30s whose

main job seemed to be to manhandle the boys when they started to hit

people. They hit people when not allowed to do what they wanted. So it

is very important to get this right. In my experience Mandi is right

and bio-med will help enormously. Why don't you ask the paediatrician

what he is suggesting and then make suggestions of your own that you

would like to try first? How well does he sleep for instance? My

daughter always looked grey and peaky. Does your son look well or does

he have underlying discomfort that the paediatrician could investigate?

Sally

bbrowne123 wrote:

took m y boy to the paed today (only use him. T to get O.T/SLT etc)

She was not "happy" with the way my son bounces off the walls and

said that all his "movement" is stimming and that its probably going

to get worse, in that he is sensory seeking, etc.

He said that i may want to "medicate" when he gets older and also

said i looked "tired" and would i like to try "something" with him.

I told him to shove it basically, that i would never give drugs to

my son for my benefit.

However, he had a point in that my son is only 3 and I can just

about handle his jumping all over the place. He climbs, he runs, he

falls on the floor, his compliance is virtually zero.

Am asking if any of your children are like this? My son jumps up and

down constantly, runs/bolts whenver he gets the chance, never sits

still. I dont believe for one minute that this is due to "autism"

whatever that is. I think its due to the fact that something

is "driving" him to distraction.

What are people's thoughts on the "hyper" kids?? My boy weighs 42

pounds and he is exceptionally strong. The older I get the less

strength i have and i worry about how i actually will handle him if

biomed can't get this under control. The school cant handle him

either which is why i had to take him out.

thanks people

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Hi thanks for the input on this. No, my son looks very healthy, very

large, rosy cheeks. His guts are in turmoil but the doc can't or won't

help with that which is why we have private doctors. We are 3/4

through the mccandless protocols moving to chelation in February.

I think that in our boy's case part of his hyperactivity is

behavioural, he is bored at home with me and because he hasnt play

skills, he doesnt know what to do with himself. WE help him through

ABA but its still a rough road. If i had my son outside in the park

all day every day, it would help, but who can do that.

What i was wondering from you all is what is your theories

on " hyperactivity " apart from the biomed aspects. is there more to

being " hyper " and having stimming through movement, than just biomed

issues?

thanks

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Could you take him swimming? How about those soft play rooms? I'm not

much good at bio-med advice. Sounds as though you know a lot more than

me. It seems to me though that lots of 3 year old boys need constant

movement. They remain that way for years.Aimless, constant movement --

you see it in teenage boys all the time. It's not pathological. It just

needs channelling. That's hard with any 3-year-old. Movement is good --

it develops all sorts of skills many of which help the brain develop.

You need socially acceptable exhausting activities in December. Apart

from swimming, none occur to me. We did lots of swimming. It's good,

you both end up good swimmers. I'll think some more and maybe someone

else will have more useful thoughts. If you can't bargain with the paed

could you ask for a referral to a different one?

Sally

bbrowne123 wrote:

Hi thanks for the input on this. No, my son looks very healthy,

very

large, rosy cheeks. His guts are in turmoil but the doc can't or won't

help with that which is why we have private doctors. We are 3/4

through the mccandless protocols moving to chelation in February.

I think that in our boy's case part of his hyperactivity is

behavioural, he is bored at home with me and because he hasnt play

skills, he doesnt know what to do with himself. WE help him through

ABA but its still a rough road. If i had my son outside in the park

all day every day, it would help, but who can do that.

What i was wondering from you all is what is your theories

on "hyperactivity" apart from the biomed aspects. is there more to

being "hyper" and having stimming through movement, than just biomed

issues?

thanks

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Hi there

We had similar issues with our son (also very large for his age and very strong) - some diet or gut related but also some major sensory issues - a few months with an OT specialising in sensory integration made all the difference - as she said he seemed to "click" neurologically and made great progress in a short time span and no longer need the same sensory feedback from running up and down etc. as before - don't know if this helps you?

best wishes

Sharon

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We just started using a combination of L-Theanine and GABA for calming for

our son and it really seems to be working - major encouragement for me!!

His verbal stimming has been way down and he had a blood draw yesterday

without yelling, for the first time ever. I *think* L-Theanine is fine for

everyone and GABA fine for most, but I'd doublecheck this if I were you.

HTH.

Abigail

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On the non-biomedical front, would he enjoy trampolining? You can get small

ones that fit indoors that also have a bar to hold onto. All our kids love

trampolining,, and it's surprisingly tiring.

Abigail

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HI,

What about a Trampoline, we have a massive one in the garden that

has been the best money i ever spent on something for my ds and his

NT sister.

If your child is still quite small maybe one of those smaller indoor

ones would be suitable if you have room?

they a brilliant for wearing out kids and keeping them occupied.

Nikki

>

> Hi thanks for the input on this. No, my son looks very healthy,

very

> large, rosy cheeks. His guts are in turmoil but the doc can't or

won't

> help with that which is why we have private doctors. We are 3/4

> through the mccandless protocols moving to chelation in February.

> I think that in our boy's case part of his hyperactivity is

> behavioural, he is bored at home with me and because he hasnt play

> skills, he doesnt know what to do with himself. WE help him

through

> ABA but its still a rough road. If i had my son outside in the

park

> all day every day, it would help, but who can do that.

>

> What i was wondering from you all is what is your theories

> on " hyperactivity " apart from the biomed aspects. is there more to

> being " hyper " and having stimming through movement, than just

biomed

> issues?

>

> thanks

>

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All the suggestions so far are worth pursuing. TP toys do an indoor

trampoline for £50 with a handle that can take a child up to 30kilos.

Henry has worn his out so I have bought him a heavy duty adult

rebounder (he's 7 and 27 kilos) which is 1 metre in diameter and cost

£79 from on-line. It can take up to 130kg, so Mum and Dad

can get fit too (one at a time)!

Diet and biomed may very well help a lot. I also suggest cranial

osteopathy if you can find a paediatric practitioner as they have the

skills to find out whether mechanical stresses in the body can be

contributing to difficult behavious (ie, the child's in pain). Henry

goes every few weeks, with additional appointments if he has had an

obvious injury. The osteopath says Henry sometimes shows signs of

having had injuries that would put most children in hospital, whereas

I just notice he is on a shorter fuse than usual, with bruising and

perhaps some head-banging. Yesterday he was treated because I'd

noticed 2 nasty bruises under his knee and it turned out he had had a

big crash onto his knee that had sent much of the stress up the femur

into the hip joint, so work included freeing off the pelvis and then

a sharp pull on the leg from the ankle. Henry was very cheerful

afterwards. Usually he has a jammed head...Sessions cost us £27,

would be more expensive in London.

Margaret

PS Paed refused lower bowel X-ray/ultrasound AGAIN today - despite my

saying the constipation nurse and I agree H is very overloaded and

reason for the X-ray is to persuade Dad to co-operate with the

treatment protocol for constipation. I also said I'd pay for the same

at the Nuffield Hospital -they could do it tomorrow.

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Hi, thanks to everyone and their great ideas. I will get a

trampoline for sure. Cranial sacral therapy sounds good too. We have

been and it did make a difference. Our boy WAS born by caesarian as

mumasd suggests and he has always had a " bumby " head. he has high

pain tolerance too and always has a bruise of some kind that i only

find out about after the fact.

good ideas so thanks everyone

>

> All the suggestions so far are worth pursuing. TP toys do an

indoor

> trampoline for £50 with a handle that can take a child up to

30kilos.

> Henry has worn his out so I have bought him a heavy duty adult

> rebounder (he's 7 and 27 kilos) which is 1 metre in diameter and

cost

> £79 from on-line. It can take up to 130kg, so Mum and

Dad

> can get fit too (one at a time)!

> Diet and biomed may very well help a lot. I also suggest cranial

> osteopathy if you can find a paediatric practitioner as they have

the

> skills to find out whether mechanical stresses in the body can be

> contributing to difficult behavious (ie, the child's in pain).

Henry

> goes every few weeks, with additional appointments if he has had

an

> obvious injury. The osteopath says Henry sometimes shows signs of

> having had injuries that would put most children in hospital,

whereas

> I just notice he is on a shorter fuse than usual, with bruising

and

> perhaps some head-banging. Yesterday he was treated because I'd

> noticed 2 nasty bruises under his knee and it turned out he had

had a

> big crash onto his knee that had sent much of the stress up the

femur

> into the hip joint, so work included freeing off the pelvis and

then

> a sharp pull on the leg from the ankle. Henry was very cheerful

> afterwards. Usually he has a jammed head...Sessions cost us £27,

> would be more expensive in London.

> Margaret

>

> PS Paed refused lower bowel X-ray/ultrasound AGAIN today - despite

my

> saying the constipation nurse and I agree H is very overloaded and

> reason for the X-ray is to persuade Dad to co-operate with the

> treatment protocol for constipation. I also said I'd pay for the

same

> at the Nuffield Hospital -they could do it tomorrow.

>