Re: RE:North Carolina Mountains

[Guest guest]

It's near n NC and it's in the mountains so it's considerably

cooler than hendersonville. my thinking is it's too cold there for

mold to grow. The mold that makes me sick anyway's. Maybe this is

naive but I am willing to do anything other than what I am doing here

in fl next to all these moldy trailers. If I open the windows I get

all the mold wafting in from the neighbors, and the occasional pest

control guy spraying their yards 10 feet away from my window. If I

close them and run my ac it grows colony's inside of it and

aerosolizes the toxins for me to breath. Plus all of the car exhaust

in this area (Clearwater Tampa)

I think I will do much better but time will tell. If it doesn't work

than I guess I can always look for that deserted island with no

vegetation.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>: I was born and raised in North Carolina and spent lots of time in the

Blowing Rock/ville area. Where are you planning to put your trailer???

Not to spoil your idea, but some areas in the smokies can be moldy. I know

because I searched for a summer house in the mountains for years and could never

find one that was not a mold hole. People think they save money when they

winterize their summer homes but they really wreck them by turning off the heat.

Leigh

[Guest guest]

I visited in the summer and stayed in an old house with a basement

that floods all of the time. The house is empty most of the time and

the heat is only run when it is occupied. The roof is so old the

asphalt shingles don't bend at all they just snap and flake off. There

is no evidence of a roof leak but this defy's logic given the

condition of the roof. The floor joist under the house have white

stains on them like some type of mold. The basement smells of mildew.

I felt great in that house. If I had Dr Dean Edell's psychosomatic

disorder you think I would have died from hysteria.

But I felt great.

Go figure

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>james--perhaps they are visiting in winter when things are frozen.

[Guest guest]

WAS THAT BEFORE YOU DEVELOPED MOLD TOXICITY? I USED TO COULD DO THINGS LIKE

THAT TOO.

Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

I visited in the summer and stayed in an old house with a basement

that floods all of the time. The house is empty most of the time and

the heat is only run when it is occupied. The roof is so old the

asphalt shingles don't bend at all they just snap and flake off. There

is no evidence of a roof leak but this defy's logic given the

condition of the roof. The floor joist under the house have white

stains on them like some type of mold. The basement smells of mildew.

I felt great in that house. If I had Dr Dean Edell's psychosomatic

disorder you think I would have died from hysteria.

But I felt great.

Go figure

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>james--perhaps they are visiting in winter when things are frozen.

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[Guest guest]

i think you will do better. I am doing terrible in Dallas with all the heat

humidity plus I live in the old part of town so there are lots of trees and my

neighbors all water their lawns up to 4 times daily. Today I saw about 6

terminex trucks in the area. It is not the best plus my spouse is not

supportive. I am getting a maid tomorrow and he bellowing like a bull that he

does not want one here. Give me a break for once.

Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

It's near n NC and it's in the mountains so it's considerably

cooler than hendersonville. my thinking is it's too cold there for

mold to grow. The mold that makes me sick anyway's. Maybe this is

naive but I am willing to do anything other than what I am doing here

in fl next to all these moldy trailers. If I open the windows I get

all the mold wafting in from the neighbors, and the occasional pest

control guy spraying their yards 10 feet away from my window. If I

close them and run my ac it grows colony's inside of it and

aerosolizes the toxins for me to breath. Plus all of the car exhaust

in this area (Clearwater Tampa)

I think I will do much better but time will tell. If it doesn't work

than I guess I can always look for that deserted island with no

vegetation.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>: I was born and raised in North Carolina and spent lots of time in the

Blowing Rock/ville area. Where are you planning to put your trailer???

Not to spoil your idea, but some areas in the smokies can be moldy. I know

because I searched for a summer house in the mountains for years and could never

find one that was not a mold hole. People think they save money when they

winterize their summer homes but they really wreck them by turning off the heat.

Leigh

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, " Carl E. Grimes " wrote:

>

> ,

> Mold is NOT one thing. It IS the millions of things. Yet everyone,

> including the experts, talks about mold as if it were just one

thing. That's like saying animals kill people, without

differentiating between tigers and kittens. Furthermore, felines

are not all of the animals. Canarys are not hazardous, and I've

never been endangered by a great white shark in my livingroom.

>

Re: Mold sample - advice needed

Sickbuildings Jul 14 2005

People point out any mold they see on bread or cheese and say " There

it is - your mortal enemy. You have to run, right? " .

And I say " Hell, I'll eat that stuff with my peanut butter sandwich " .

I don't give a damn about mold that isn't of the toxin producing

type.

My fight with doctors was that ONLY a few SPECIFIC molds were

bothersome to me.

I've had mold all over the place that doesn't worry me at all, as

long as I'm not reacting to it.

But on the other hand, I was " perceptifying " a friends house and

felt " The Wrong Stuff " in the tiled shower walls in the bathroom.

I pointed at the spot and said " There " .

We busted through the tile (under full HAZMAT protocols) and there

it was.

My green binooculars were steeped in Stachy and knocked me flat even

after being washed and completely submerged in soapy water.

Conversely-

Lots of basements, dirt floors and moldy basements don't bother me

at all.

None of this " testing " discussion applies to people like me.

We are WAY beyond being able to use tests as a useful guide to

action.

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:14:40 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>WAS THAT BEFORE YOU DEVELOPED MOLD TOXICITY? I USED TO COULD DO THINGS LIKE

THAT TOO.

No, it was a few months ago, I have suffered from American Medical

Ripoff's for close to ten years now.

But it seems like every time I leave my residence I almost always get

better. You would think that would be incentive enough to take the

advice most in this group give to shuck all my belongings and move to

a new mold free location. But I have to be stupid, I just can't dump a

trailer I paid close to 20 grand for.

If the move doesn't work that is what I will have to do though. I

can't take this much longer.

[Guest guest]

Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

> But it seems like every time I leave my residence I almost always

get better. You would think that would be incentive enough to take the

advice most in this group give to shuck all my belongings and move to

a new mold free location. But I have to be stupid, I just can't dump a

trailer I paid close to 20 grand for.

If the move doesn't work that is what I will have to do though. I

can't take this much longer.

>

I've spent a lot of time going through RV yards, and there are some

brands that come " pre moldy " by being manufactured with contaminated

materials, and there an awful lot of " really great deals " on used RV's:

" Oh, we just decided it's time to sell and want to get rid of it

immediately. There's a little mold, but don't worry about that " .

It's horrible being trapped into a situation where you know that what

you must do is going to financially destroy you.

But what is the alternative? If you are steadily going downhill, the

further you go that direction, the harder it is to climb back up.

Been there and done it, and from my perspective, it's better to walk

out sooner than crawl out later.

-

[Guest guest]

I AGREE

ERIC

>

> > But it seems like every time I leave my residence I almost always

> get better. You would think that would be incentive enough to take

the

> advice most in this group give to shuck all my belongings and move

to

> a new mold free location. But I have to be stupid, I just can't

dump a

> trailer I paid close to 20 grand for.

> If the move doesn't work that is what I will have to do though. I

> can't take this much longer.

> >

>

>

> I've spent a lot of time going through RV yards, and there are

some

> brands that come " pre moldy " by being manufactured with

contaminated

> materials, and there an awful lot of " really great deals " on used

RV's:

>

> " Oh, we just decided it's time to sell and want to get rid of it

> immediately. There's a little mold, but don't worry about that " .

>

> It's horrible being trapped into a situation where you know that

what

> you must do is going to financially destroy you.

> But what is the alternative? If you are steadily going downhill,

the

> further you go that direction, the harder it is to climb back up.

> Been there and done it, and from my perspective, it's better to

walk

> out sooner than crawl out later.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

I and a few others here are seeing where your at with this.

chances are that you have developed MCS, if not, you may be real

close to it. with me, the full blown effects of MCS either did not

fully get activated until I was out of the mold or was not fully

reconized until some of the other effects mellowed out and I learned

and got some other illnesses under some type of control. I've

suffered about every effect and for a while they all ran together

makeing it hard to really realize because basically every part of my

body was affected in some way. including my brain that was causeing

me not to be able to consentrate long enough to add 2 + 2. kind of

embarrassing to look back now and remember getting strange looks

because I would sometimes say something that had nothing to do with

the conversation. remember looking at my daughter with disbelief when

she told me I was doing this because I had no Idea. this was right

after I got out of the mold when she told me this and I cried because

I thought I was loseing my mind or had lost it. how wierd is this

effect. I remember a few people giving me that strange look and

realize now that what ever I said had nothing to do with the

conversation going on. I think god everyday that I have recovered

from this as well as I have. a bad MCS attack can turn my brain to

mush. all this and up to a certain point of my exposure, if someone

would have tried to tell me I was doing this, I wouldn't have

believed them. I didn't even see it the way they did. my ability to

consentrate was zilch. I knew I was haveing problems consentrateing

and with memory but never realized I was saying things that had

nothing to do with the conversation going on. I think this had to do

with the lack of consentration because my mind was like a farris

wheel with a different memory in each seat and the farris wheel was

contantly spinning round and round. in my first home this effect was

very very mellow. in the second home I lost all control over my

thinking process. just something for everyone to think about while

they still

can.

>

> > But it seems like every time I leave my residence I almost always

> get better. You would think that would be incentive enough to take

the

> advice most in this group give to shuck all my belongings and move

to

> a new mold free location. But I have to be stupid, I just can't

dump a

> trailer I paid close to 20 grand for.

> If the move doesn't work that is what I will have to do though. I

> can't take this much longer.

> >

>

>

> I've spent a lot of time going through RV yards, and there are

some

> brands that come " pre moldy " by being manufactured with

contaminated

> materials, and there an awful lot of " really great deals " on used

RV's:

>

> " Oh, we just decided it's time to sell and want to get rid of it

> immediately. There's a little mold, but don't worry about that " .

>

> It's horrible being trapped into a situation where you know that

what

> you must do is going to financially destroy you.

> But what is the alternative? If you are steadily going downhill,

the

> further you go that direction, the harder it is to climb back up.

> Been there and done it, and from my perspective, it's better to

walk

> out sooner than crawl out later.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:57:23 +0000, you wrote:

> I and a few others here are seeing where your at with this.

>chances are that you have developed MCS,

Based on my personal experience, and this is my opinion only, I

consider mcs, cfs, sbs, fybro, and all these other names, are given

to one illness. In other words the symptoms are so similar that I am

willing to say they are all based in one thing. Exposure to mold.

You can remove me from chemicals but keep me exposed to mold and I

will continue to be sick. If you do the opposite I will get better. An

example is I was over at my dad's house in his garage around well

maintained homes where mold is not as prevalent. I was working on a

carburetor on one of his chainsaws I took precautions to limit my

exposure to gas fumes and carburetor cleaners but still had exposure

and felt no profound effects. Actually felt better than a normal day

in my trailer. I can think of dozens of experience like this. I can't

think of any where I was exposed to mold but not chemicals felt ok.

When I am suffering from mold exposure I wouldn't dream of getting

near these substances, I know exactly what people are saying when they

say they are chemically sensitive. It is my opinion they are

mistaking chemicals for mold.. You remove them from the mold but

expose them to chemicals (small amount's that they swear would put

them in a coma) without their knowledge and they won't react. (my

opinion)

There are gray areas here, if I were stuck in the same room with

someone that had a half gallon of perfume smeared all over their body

I might react to this. I have felt crappy on several occasion after

such circumstances. But also had exposure to mold so I can't say

whether it was both mold and perfume or weather the perfume alone

could do this to me. Or weather the effects of mold are exasperated by

the synergistic effects of both assaults on my body.

Conversely just minute amounts of mold make me profoundly sick.

As far as I am concerned I have had mcs ever since my exposure to

pesticides working as a lawn maint contractor ten years ago.

I just prefer to call it mold sensitivity.

[Guest guest]

I cant take this much longer either

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

> But it seems like every time I leave my residence I almost always

get better. You would think that would be incentive enough to take the

advice most in this group give to shuck all my belongings and move to

a new mold free location. But I have to be stupid, I just can't dump a

trailer I paid close to 20 grand for.

If the move doesn't work that is what I will have to do though. I

can't take this much longer.

>

I've spent a lot of time going through RV yards, and there are some

brands that come " pre moldy " by being manufactured with contaminated

materials, and there an awful lot of " really great deals " on used RV's:

" Oh, we just decided it's time to sell and want to get rid of it

immediately. There's a little mold, but don't worry about that " .

It's horrible being trapped into a situation where you know that what

you must do is going to financially destroy you.

But what is the alternative? If you are steadily going downhill, the

further you go that direction, the harder it is to climb back up.

Been there and done it, and from my perspective, it's better to walk

out sooner than crawl out later.

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[Guest guest]

I'm feeling this way also. Getting tired of

working on the house. It's hard to be up for

this when you don't feel well. I thought I had

the air in pretty good condition and then summer

heat and humidity hit and apparently it needs a

lot more work and then there is no guarantee. I

have the a/c cranked up so much to keep humidity

down, I walk around in a coat, and don't feel

well either. a/c always made me feel a little

nauseaous when it is much colder inside than

outside. The dehumidification of buildings

should be ENTIRELY separate from the refrigerant.

I don't need to be refrigerated until the

temperature gets about 85 degrees, then just a

little is enough. I could live without it

entirely I think. Just a fan. It would be

better for house too. Now however house needs

more than just dehumification. Attic needs to be

cleaned, upstairs ceiling needs to be sealed,

cracked fixed, on and on and on and on.

--- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...>

wrote:

> I cant take this much longer either

>

>

[Guest guest]

Christ wrote:

> You can remove me from chemicals but keep me exposed to mold and

I will continue to be sick. If you do the opposite I will get

better. An example is I was over at my dad's house in his garage

around well maintained homes where mold is not as prevalent. I was

working on a carburetor on one of his chainsaws I took precautions

to limit my exposure to gas fumes and carburetor cleaners but still

had exposure and felt no profound effects. Actually felt better than

a normal day in my trailer. I can think of dozens of experience like

this. I can't think of any where I was exposed to mold but not

chemicals felt ok.

>

> When I am suffering from mold exposure I wouldn't dream of

getting near these substances, I know exactly what people are saying

when they say they are chemically sensitive. It is my opinion they

are mistaking chemicals for mold.. You remove them from the mold but

> expose them to chemicals (small amount's that they swear would put

> them in a coma) without their knowledge and they won't react. (my

> opinion)

And that is my opinion as well.

That is the peculiarity that had me shouting at doctors that there

was a SPECIFICITY to mold that was paramount.

And when I attempted to convey this clue to MCS groups, (and to this

group) some people reacted even more badly than denialist doctors.

Which is too bad, because they might have taken advantage of this to

put more emphasis on mold avoidance as a means to abate their

chemical sensitivities.

I actually was able to do the precise test you propose with someone

who was blaming formaldehyde. There was no reaction until we got to

the formaldehyde laden panels which had mold damage, but she still

swore that " It must be formaldehyde, because my doctor told me that

mold reactivity is impossible " .

, you have make your move before winter comes so you won't be

trapped inside by the cold. Hot though it may be now, summer is

passing by quickly.

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[Guest guest]

Good point, I am trying to make everything come together.

I now know that closing up my trailer is not what makes me so sick.

It's running the ac. So I think I should do much better up there. No

moldy trailers next to me, and I won't be forced to run the ac.

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:18:19 +0000, you wrote:

> , you have make your move before winter comes so you won't be

>trapped inside by the cold. Hot though it may be now, summer is

>passing by quickly.