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WOW! Jami! Keep up the great work! I'm way more body fat than you

but have had great results so far regardless of the scale. I also

use a formula for body fat. :) Fantastic results!

Kari

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra workouts

here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free meals each

week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less than

recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training days,

1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me sick. I

use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this last week

for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days only, but

went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I always do

cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight training. I wait 1

hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon after weight training. I

added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a very low intensity for weeks

6-9, and we often walk during the weekends. I experimented with

resting this week and got a big lean body mass gain, so I was

probably supressing my results a bit by doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free meal

days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last night

was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving (was

it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the palm/fist

method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge 3 my goal

will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for that.

I will check again next week but I was so excited with my results I

had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't burn

into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

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WOW! Jami! Keep up the great work! I'm way more body fat than you

but have had great results so far regardless of the scale. I also

use a formula for body fat. :) Fantastic results!

Kari

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra workouts

here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free meals each

week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less than

recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training days,

1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me sick. I

use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this last week

for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days only, but

went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I always do

cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight training. I wait 1

hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon after weight training. I

added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a very low intensity for weeks

6-9, and we often walk during the weekends. I experimented with

resting this week and got a big lean body mass gain, so I was

probably supressing my results a bit by doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free meal

days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last night

was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving (was

it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the palm/fist

method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge 3 my goal

will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for that.

I will check again next week but I was so excited with my results I

had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't burn

into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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rates.

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Way to go Jami!! Great work, great results. Quite inspiring-

I whole-heartedly agree with you on reading the book- it takes

several readings to really get all of it. I catch something new or

at a deeper level every time I read it.

Keep up the terrific progress!

Ann

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra workouts

here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free meals each

week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less than

recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training days,

1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me sick. I

use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this last week

for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days only, but

went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I always do

cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight training. I wait 1

hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon after weight training. I

added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a very low intensity for weeks

6-9, and we often walk during the weekends. I experimented with

resting this week and got a big lean body mass gain, so I was

probably supressing my results a bit by doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free meal

days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last night

was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving (was

it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the palm/fist

method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge 3 my goal

will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for that.

I will check again next week but I was so excited with my results I

had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't burn

into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low

rates.

>

>

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Way to go Jami!! Great work, great results. Quite inspiring-

I whole-heartedly agree with you on reading the book- it takes

several readings to really get all of it. I catch something new or

at a deeper level every time I read it.

Keep up the terrific progress!

Ann

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra workouts

here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free meals each

week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less than

recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training days,

1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me sick. I

use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this last week

for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days only, but

went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I always do

cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight training. I wait 1

hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon after weight training. I

added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a very low intensity for weeks

6-9, and we often walk during the weekends. I experimented with

resting this week and got a big lean body mass gain, so I was

probably supressing my results a bit by doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free meal

days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last night

was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving (was

it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the palm/fist

method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge 3 my goal

will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for that.

I will check again next week but I was so excited with my results I

had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't burn

into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low

rates.

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Really great results Jami! Five inches off your waist, wow! It's good

that you took your body fat readings and measurements. A scale watcher

would definitely have been distraught about only losing 3 pounds on

the scale, not realizing that there was 15 pounds of fat gone. Sweet!

On 4/7/06, Jami Perkins <heyjami@...> wrote:

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-1 lb of fat

every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but apparently

that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

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Jami

Congratulations! Those results are WONDERFUL!! Super job and a

great example for the rest of us! Are you sharing pics by any

chance?

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra

workouts here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free

meals each week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less

than recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training

days, 1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me

sick. I use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this

last week for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days

only, but went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I

always do cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight

training. I wait 1 hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon

after weight training. I added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a

very low intensity for weeks 6-9, and we often walk during the

weekends. I experimented with resting this week and got a big lean

body mass gain, so I was probably supressing my results a bit by

doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free

meal days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last

night was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving

(was it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the

palm/fist method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge

3 my goal will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for

that. I will check again next week but I was so excited with my

results I had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't

burn into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

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low rates.

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Jami

Congratulations! Those results are WONDERFUL!! Super job and a

great example for the rest of us! Are you sharing pics by any

chance?

>

> I am the Poster Child for not watching the scale:

>

> Start (note that I didn't take measurements until week 2):

> Weight: 163.5

> Bodyfat: 32.6% (lean body mass 115.4, fat lbs 48.1)

>

> Today's Weight: 160.8

> Bodyfat: 20.4% (lean body mass 128, fat 32.8)

>

> So, lost 15.3 lbs of fat, gained 12.6 lbs of lean body mass.

> 1.39 lbs of fat left my body every week! My goal was to lose .5-

1 lb of fat every week!

>

> Measurements:

> Waist, down 4.75 " (35 to 30.25)

> Hips, down 2.75 " (43 to 40.25)

> Thigh, down 1.5 " (25 to 23.5)

> Knee, down 3.25 " ! (20 to 16.75) (ok, that was weird to me but

apparently that's where I stored a lot of fat!)

> Calf, down 1 " (17 to 16)

> Upper arm, down .5 " (14 to 13.5)

>

> I used biofitness' website to calculate bodyfat but I also have

calipers that verify the numbers biofitness provides.

>

> I have missed maybe 1 workout but have added a few extra

workouts here and there. I have eaten clean and enjoyed 1-2 free

meals each week (I did do 1 free day). I take Betagen (far less

than recommended, daily for 4 weeks and now only on weight training

days, 1 scoop). I tried fat burners for a week but they make me

sick. I use 1 T of flax oil every day (upped to 3 T per day this

last week for the psycho diet). I did the psycho diet for 2 days

only, but went right back to the 20/40/40 BFL method quickly. I

always do cardio on an empty stomach, and sometimes weight

training. I wait 1 hr after cardio but usually eat pretty soon

after weight training. I added in 40-60 mins of extra cardio at a

very low intensity for weeks 6-9, and we often walk during the

weekends. I experimented with resting this week and got a big lean

body mass gain, so I was probably supressing my results a bit by

doing too much extra cardio.

>

> I ate all my meals and averaged 1300 calories on non free meal

days (I don't count flax oil and veggies), and 1800-2000 on free

meal days. I was not hungry but satisfied and comfortable. Last

night was the first night in the whole challenge that I was starving

(was it the CLA?) and so I ate some peanuts. I cannot do the

palm/fist method because I simply eat too much. Maybe for challenge

3 my goal will be to learn/practice that method. ;-)

>

> I took final measurements today because I'm doing the Get Fit 6-

week challenge and that ends on Sunday so I needed results for

that. I will check again next week but I was so excited with my

results I had to share.

>

> Looking forward to continuing on and posting more results! My

lesson learned is that the lean body mass gain can not be

discounted. It's part of the whole thing. And I do want to have

more lean mass so that I can eat more and burn more calories at

rest!!! I actually don't mind being the weight that I am, I want to

see some better legs and arms in my next challenge.

>

> I've reread the book and I'm trying to focus on the workout

intensity. Squeezing at the top of the rep and lowering slowly.

Bill has some good stuff in there that I didn't catch (or didn't

burn into my head) with the first 4-5 readings. Read it again.

>

> I think that everyone deserves to give it their all for 12 solid

weeks. No matter what the scale or measurements are saying, give

your body time to show you what it can do. When I read that I was a

mesomorph I did NOT believe it but low and behold, I put on lean

muscle mass and lost fat (pretty easily is not the word I'm looking

for because I worked for every oz gained and lost!). I'm really

looking forward to my next challenge to reveal the leanness and

muscles I'm building. I also look forward to hearing about YOUR

results and musings.

>

> I can not believe I'm 4 fat lbs away from 18% bodyfat! I can't

wait... maybe by my birthday 4/27 I'll reach it!

>

> Jami

> Mom to Aiden, nearly 2 yrs and Caitlin, 4 yrs.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously

low rates.

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