RE: Help Again!!!! - Marcie

[Guest guest]

Marcie,

I was really glad to hear you finally got on SSD.

Years ago when I had my apt. tested and the results

didn't show any Stachy, I couldn't understand why I

was so sick, but now I do, because there is

Aspergillus, Penicillium, Fusarium, Cladosporium, and

numerous others in the building.

You mentioned you just had your 21st IVIG. Could you

please tell me what that is. I've never heard of that.

Best of luck to you.

Barb E.

--- Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

> To everyone,

>

> I got the test results back from the second sample

> of mold from my office. The results showed

> Stachybotrys( which I knew about ) but it also had

> Aspergillius and Penicillium. Now I know why my body

> is so riddled with fungi and why I just found out

> my spinal cord is degenerating. I just had my 21st

> IVIG and lab work....so I will find out in 4 weeks

> if they have to increase the dose.( up to 60 grams

> already) My Immune system is not responding.

> My granddaughter just gave me some of her clothes

> and I got into a size 5. I am 5'9 " tall and look

> awful. HELP!!!!!

> I will be trying to go to see Dr. Alfred

> soon. Got approved for SSD. Finally!!!

> Marcie

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[Guest guest]

Marcie, Congratulations.

As for your weight, if Candida and fungi are

compromising your GI tract, it can cause

inflamation in GI tract. An inflamed gut does

not absorb nutritients well and may cause

'wasting' due to lack of nutrients no matter how

well you eat. You may try liquid nutrients and

things that are easy for your gi system to

digest. (Maybe look into Specific Carbohydrate

Diet by Elaine G-something) I'm trying a product

from Kirkman Labs called amino support, amino

acids in powder form that I dissolve in juice and

going to cut out meats since I am not digesting

meats or proteins. I got that reference to

Kirkman's from an autism group. Autistic kids

have alot of gut problems and so do I. Also from

same source Brainchild Nutritionals, something

like that, tell me if you can't find, have liquid

vitamins and minerals formulated for hypoallergic

people. I'm trying those also.

I have leaky gut due to fungus and candida and

tests show I have very little amino acids which

is the foundation of building and maintaining

muscle (your body tone and strenth) even though I

was trying to eat a high protein diet. Other

blood tests showed I had undigested protein in my

blood, so I was eating it but not digesting it

(due to gut lining being sore and inflamed).

Inflamation makes your gut lining very poroused

too and undigested particles of food that have

not been broken down enough for your body to use

as nutrion gets into blood stream and your immune

system goes after it like it is a virus or

bacteria entering your body, so it drains your

immune system energy, wasted energy attacking

food particles that shouldn't be there at all,

making you weaker.

Dr told me to take pancreatic enzymes whenever I

eat a protein meals but I'm getting stomach aches

from the whole thing so I'm going to go with easy

to digest food for awhile and take amino acids

dissolved in liquid like this for protein and

stop eating meat for awhile.

I hope this helps. Write me offline if you have

any questions. I could have explained this

better.

Doctor said your immune system will not go after

undigested fruit and vegetables since it doesn't

identify those as a possible virus or bacteria,

so I probably will eat a lot of fruits and

vegetables and cut out meat and get the protein

from this amino acid powder and there are

incomplete proteins in fruits and vegetables that

will be adequate I think.

> --- Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...>

> wrote:

>

> > To everyone,

> >

> > I got the test results back from the second

> sample

> > of mold from my office. The results showed

> > Stachybotrys( which I knew about ) but it

> also had

> > Aspergillius and Penicillium. Now I know why

> my

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I have Immuno Gobblin Infusions every 4 weeks because my IGg levels are so

low. The other antibody levels are close behind it. My IGg was only 307 when

first tested.

Thanks,

Marcie

Barbara <floridabound03200@...> wrote:

Marcie,

I was really glad to hear you finally got on SSD.

Years ago when I had my apt. tested and the results

didn't show any Stachy, I couldn't understand why I

was so sick, but now I do, because there is

Aspergillus, Penicillium, Fusarium, Cladosporium, and

numerous others in the building.

You mentioned you just had your 21st IVIG. Could you

please tell me what that is. I've never heard of that.

Best of luck to you.

Barb E.

--- Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

> To everyone,

>

> I got the test results back from the second sample

> of mold from my office. The results showed

> Stachybotrys( which I knew about ) but it also had

> Aspergillius and Penicillium. Now I know why my body

> is so riddled with fungi and why I just found out

> my spinal cord is degenerating. I just had my 21st

> IVIG and lab work....so I will find out in 4 weeks

> if they have to increase the dose.( up to 60 grams

> already) My Immune system is not responding.

> My granddaughter just gave me some of her clothes

> and I got into a size 5. I am 5'9 " tall and look

> awful. HELP!!!!!

> I will be trying to go to see Dr. Alfred

> soon. Got approved for SSD. Finally!!!

> Marcie

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[Guest guest]

Marcie,

Can you explain this thing about IgG levels. I had a MAST test that

included IgG. IgG's that were high meant I had an infection of that

agent or was in my environment. IgG's that were low just meant I

wasn't infected or sick. So how can they figure you are sick even

though you have low IgG's?? Did they give you a diagnosis or say what

is making you ill?

--- In , Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

> I have Immuno Gobblin Infusions every 4 weeks because my IGg

levels are so low. The other antibody levels are close behind it. My

IGg was only 307 when first tested.

> Thanks,

> Marcie

>

>

[Guest guest]

" IgG's that were high meant I had an infection of that

agent or was in my environment. IgG's that were low just meant I

wasn't infected or sick. "

A while back, I had an IgG food test done, and the same goes for what you said

above: foods I cannot tolerate, I had high IgG levels. I don't understand how

IgG levels can be too low. IgA levels can be low or absent, and that isn't a

good thing, although I don't remember why. IgA are gut Ig's though.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

Olif,

It was explained to me that high IgG's to *foods* indicate

hyperpermability of gut due to inflamation. This condition is

coined leaky gut but can be very serious to your health, as it means

inflamation of gi tract. When gi tract is inflamed, it is impaired

and cannot digest your food properly. This can lead to nutrional

deficients which weaken you. The damaged lining of gi can allow

undigested particles of food into blood stream, not digested enough

for body to use them. If these are PROTEIN substances the body can

confuse them for a foreign invader and send out IgGs to protect body

from them. This leads to high IgG's to certain food, usually

protein foods. The high IgG keeps your immune system busy which can

make you feel sick. So high IgG's aren't food allergies but sign

you aren't digesting food well enough for nutrients to be absorbed

normally and food particles leaking into your blood stream but gi

tract. High IgG's to molds indicate a fungal infection somewhere or

lots of mold in your environment currently.

I'm sure someone who is immune compromised may not make enough

antibodies but how can you tell if someone has low IgG because they

aren't sick versus someone who has low IgG due to being sick but

immune compromised? I wish I understood that. I'm interested since

I think I'm too weak to fight what I have but how can one tell?

ly you can Google for everything. No need to ask anything then

but input from others who have have experienced this is more helpful.

>

> Olif <OVanPelt@...> >

> A while back, I had an IgG food test done, and the same goes for

what you said above: foods I cannot tolerate, I had high IgG levels.

I don't understand how IgG levels can be too low. IgA levels can be

low or absent, and that isn't a good thing, although I don't

remember why. IgA are gut Ig's though.

>

> -Olif

>

[Guest guest]

" Olif--Not to be flippant but I would suggest that you google IGG, IGA, etc. I

personally have low iga levels which means more upper respiratory infections,

etc. If you have low iga, it is not recommended to take gamma globulins due to

the risk of a bad reaction. I hope this helps. Leigh "

I don't think you mean me, Leigh. There was someone else who is getting shots

for low IgG, not IgA. It still doesn't make sense to me though, because high

IgG's mean your body is reacting. I know low IgA's aren't good. I always see it

mentioned in connection with gluten intolerance. I don't know enough about IgA's

to know if this has anything to do with your condition.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

" It was explained to me that high IgG's to *foods* indicate

hyperpermability of gut due to inflamation. "

Hi, Barb and thanks. I do know that I have a leaky gut. The more I read though,

the more I run into the chicken and egg scenario. Gluten can do a lot of damage

to a gut and possibly cause the gut permeability. I am also learning that a

Candida infection can do the same to the gut as they branch out looking for more

food. I don't know what my cause is, but my immune system seems compromised,

even after tremendous cleanup of my diet for almost a year now.

My ND is suspecting toxins to be my problem. I am suspecting specifically mold

toxins. Is it possible for mold to break your system down enough to cause a

leaky gut?

Are low IgG's ever a bad thing? I thought only low IgA was bad. Also, if I am

understanding this correctly, an IgG isn't permanent, because it is a result of

a damaged gut, like you said, Barb. An IgA to a food is permanent, right? Don't

they test IgA for celiac (I don't think allopathic doctors do). It is possible

to have an IgA and IgG to the same food. I haven't been tested for IgA's. I

couldn't tolerate milk as a baby and my IgG for milk was through the roof. I

strongly suspect I have an IgA to dairy and possibly gluten. (Actually my IgG

for gluten was fine, but I can't eat it.) I believe my other IgG's are

temporary. I really do wonder if this is all possibly related to mold though...

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

Well, IgG is an antibody and I have to/you have to figure out what

it's role is to answer questions. Doctor said it comes first to

meet a foreign substance in blood stream. All he said was food

particles should not be in your blood stream so the fact I had IgG

in my blood for foods indicated I had food in blood stream, where it

shouldn't be. He said if properly digested down into nutrients,

they wouldn't stimulate IgG because they would not be perceived as a

foreign substance. He said if gi tract heals and digests food

properly food will not get in and blood tests would show no IgG's to

food. He said a person with healthy gi will not have any IgG's for

food. He said IgG's for food is not a food allergy. I don't know

anything about IgA since I was not tested for that and haven't read

anything about them, so can't answer that. My

allergist/immunologist just did IgE and IgG and he said IgE's are

true allergies. They don't know how to rid your body reacting to

IgE except by avoidance or some sort of treatment to help you to get

used to these substances gradually, shots, drops, etc. He said I

have only very mild and few allergies, a little to cat, and dog, and

a particular type of grass. SKIN TESTS done by allergist here where

I live said I was VERY allergic to practically EVERYTHING, and he

suggested I take TWO 24 hour Rx allergies medicines every day, so

that is why I went to this other person for more extensive testing.

However he said he doesn't know why allergist rely on skin testing,

because there are so many other things that will make skin react to

test than the 'allergen'. That's the extent of my knowledge. Lots

of things can compromise gi: a medicine I took that dried my throat

up and compromised my immune system I think was my culprit. I've

been sick ever since I took it, Candida certainly is big culprit,

other infections of gi tract, and other things. Yes, I would

thinking figuring out why gi is compromised would be best, or just

doing things that are healing if one can't find the cause second

best option.

If you have leaky gut, most likely you would have high IgG's for

whatever protein you are eating the most of. It wouldn't indicate

allergy for that food, just that that food is more likely in blood

if you are eating it. So if you are eating lots of ham with

compromised gi, pork is going to have IgG. If you just had a large

egg omelet, egg IgG's are going to be high. Whatever it is you are

eating, that's what will be there. My doctor said it is protein

foods only that stimulate IgG antibodies and inflamatory process

since the body considers their protein structure more like a virus

or bug of some sort...bugs are high in protein!! He said fruits and

vegetables do not provoke this response, so I may go vegetarian for

awhile and see if that helps.

>

> Hi, Barb and thanks. I do know that I have a leaky gut. The more I

read though, the more I run into the chicken and egg scenario.

Gluten can do a lot of damage to a gut and possibly

[Guest guest]

Olif, I forgot to mention doctor said to take pancreatic enzyme, you

can buy over the counter, with every protein meal, to help digest the

protein as a solution. I've been doing that but think it may just

work better to go vegetarian. Even though veggies might not provoke

reaction of immune system I notice I have trouble digesting fibrous

food also, so may go vegetarian and also take digestive enzyme with

the veggie meal to aid digestion. Just thought I would post the

solution I was given and what I'm trying too.

> Hi, Barb and thanks. I do know that I have a leaky gut. The more I

read though, the more I run into the chicken and egg scenario.

[Guest guest]

" He said fruits and

vegetables do not provoke this response, so I may go vegetarian for

awhile and see if that helps. "

Even fruits and veggies have some protein. I tested very high on cane sugar. I

also tested positive ranging from low to high on lettuce, asparagus,

blueberries, peaches, cucumbers and grapes. Some of these I was eating a lot of

at one time. Some of them I rarely ate though. I think the best solution is a

rotation diet, rotating your foods every 4 days. It is just difficult and you

have to be very organized. I still haven't started one, but maybe one of these

days...

I do find that cutting grains out of my diet helps my digestion, as far as

bloating goes. I just have a difficult time staying full. Cooked veggies are

also easier to digest than raw. The reverse is true for meat, but I don't think

many of us will start eating raw meat. I am not anyway. :-)

My ND says that type A bloodtypes often have digestion problems. I don't know

how true this...She also noticed they typically have problems with wheat and

dairy, but these proteins are very difficult to digest anyway.

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

" Olif, I forgot to mention doctor said to take pancreatic enzyme, you

can buy over the counter, with every protein meal, to help digest the

protein as a solution. "

Thanks! I have noticed that betaine HCl helps me too. If you ever have any kind

of indigestion it will help. It also makes sure the stomach contents are the

right pH when they enter your small intestines. If it isn't the right pH, the

food doesn't get digested correctly. The pH signals something...the pancrease to

release the enzymes, I think.

My ND has me taking MediClear. Anyone can buy it online. It is supposed to aide

in digestion, detoxification, and inflammation. I have only been using it for 2

weeks, but I did get a detox reaction. My joints were aching for 3 days,

starting about day 3. I never previously had any kind of joint pain, so I really

think it must have been detox.

-Olif