Re: Re: Mold Sampling: Chain of Custody Form

July 18, 2006

Jeanine,

I'm not sure which Barb you're talking to, but this is

the link for Texas Tech

http://www.ttuhsc.edu/SOM/microbiology/mainweb/aiaq/aiaqhome.html

Barb E.

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> Barb, can you post a link to this ,please, and

> thank

> you

>

> > >

> > > > I'm sending a mold sample to University of

> Texas

> > > > Center for Indoor Air

> > > > Research. They said I need to fill out, sign

> and

> > > > send along a " Chain

> > > > of Custody Form " that is on their site, along

> with

> > > > sample to be

> > > > tested. Does anyone know why a chain of

> custody

> > > > form would need to be

> > > > signed. Are they afraid I may want it back,

> or

> > > > what? Just kidding of

> > > > course. Anyway, does this mean if stachy were

> > > > found, etc., they could

> > > > report it to some agency or something. I just

> > > > wondering. I know for

> > > > Home Depot tests, I filled out name, address

> and

> > > > where collected but

> > > > they didn't have any chain of custody form. I

> just

> > > > find it curious.

> > > > Anyone know about this?

> > > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

July 18, 2006

Barb,

I found it interesting that you had a wood stirring

utensil turn green, because that's the color I would

expect mold to be.

And I think it would also be interesting to know what

color showed up when Carl did the experiment with the

large cup.

The reason I find this so interesting, concerns the

fact that even though lab tests showed I have mold in

my apt., nothing has ever turned green in here.

I have pictures of green and black mold growing on the

basement walls, but in my apt., everything gets

covered with a brownish/rusty color.

I don't have to leave anythng damp, or wet, sitting

around, the brown just gets over everything, whether

it's wet or dry.

It gets on my clothes in the closet; my dishes in the

kitchen cabinet; the aluminum mini-blinds; the kitchen

chairs that are painted white; the vinyl mattress/box

spring covers; the walls; the doors; the windows; the

outside of the refrigerator; and it especially " likes "

the inside and outside of my microwave, the TV screen,

and my computer monitor.

Back in 2001, when I spoke to an Expert about mold, I

really had a hard time believing him when he told me

it would just keep getting worse, and about the health

problems it could cause. But now, every day I think

about what that man told me, because he was one

hundred percent correct.

Barb E.

--- bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

> Carl, the to know why there is chain of custody

> form is not important. I just wondered. I went

> through period lately of not feeling well, and I

> let some housework go. Even if I get behind in

> housework I don't let water stand around, sink,

> etc, but placed a pop bottle on counter and tired

> or lazy, I emptied it but didn't wash it out. A

> day or two later (embarassment) I noticed mold

> growing in it. Also a wood stirring utensil that

> I know I dry each time I use it has turned

> greenish in kitchen, so just want to know what

> type of mold it is. I think it is coming down

> from attic as damper was left open on fresh air

> intake in basement by accident and all the

> registers in house were directly connected to

> outside and blower was not on, so a big hole in

> house and air was not been sucked in by blower,

> as blower was off, so a nice low pressure zone.

> I think it may have caused down draft from attic

> or something. Upstairs smelled musty too, so I

> closed off fresh air intakes from the outside and

> problem has cleared up, air smells okay now and I

> feel better too. I felt terrible for a couple

> weeks, spent most of my time of sofa, couldn't

> get up for very long.

> I must attend to attic air or arrange to get it

> sealed off better. Anyway, since I am growing a

> nice amount of it in pop bottle, thought I would

> send it off and see what it is. Home Depot won't

> take a pop bottle, but Texas University place

> would. Said they can't guarantee it will travel

> okay but made some suggestions.

> I've only done the Home Depot thing before and

> there was no chain of custody report to fill out.

> Just was wondering.

> I was just surprised. Bottle is so very small,

> with tiny bottle opening at top, a day and half

> or two, mostly empty and got this growth. Then I

> noticed wood stir that I use and always wash and

> dry afterwards since it is unfinished wood

> turning green in same area. The growth is same

> color.

__________________________________________________

July 18, 2006

Hi Barb E,

It's not totally green but a good portion of it

is. yes I thought it was interesting too since I

EXPECT unfinished wood to be susceptible to mold

and so I clean it right after using it and dry it

best I can and it goes under a counter over hand

in a holder that was made for it where it can air

dry fairly quickly. I bought three of them. I

am now keeping the other two that aren't green in

the freezer. I don't know where else to put

them. They are made for way I am using them and

to be kept on counter top in kitchen equipment

holder. Everyone used to have these, so either

everyone has to buy new ones frequently or I have

more mold than the average person THE LAST FEW

WEEKS. I think the last few weeks since I have

also felt sick, felt the way I do when I as

around a lot of mold. I think it is coming down

from attic. The kitchen ceiling is a drop

ceiling since it has plumbing going through it

for upstairs bathroom, so that is possibility

too. I've often wondered if there is a problem

in upstairs plumbing since paint on kitchen

ceiling peels off easily. It's hard to get it to

keep a paint job. Doesn't seem moist to me

though, no watery looking spots. I will work on

getting attic cleaned up, if moldiness seems to

remain I will look into ceiling above kitchen I

guess. Something is causing this. The house

humidity is usually under 50%. Occasionally it

creeps up over 50 if a dehumidifier bucket gets

full or I blow a fuse or something.

--- Barbara <floridabound03200@...> wrote:

> Barb,

>

> I found it interesting that you had a wood

> stirring

> utensil turn green, because that's the color I

> would

> expect mold to be.

>

July 18, 2006

Hi Jeanine, thanks for the ideas. I have no

court case as it is my home and prior to that it

was family home clear back to 1946!!!, so I'd

have to sue the beloved person who left it to me

for letting it get run down before she died.

I just have to clean it up.

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry about my post on this yesterday, I was

> thinking about the

> request form that your lawyer has to fill out

> if you need

July 19, 2006

Who I agree I'm Living it with No way out I'm ill no help looks like my car will

be my home once again I just keep loosing every thing now I just don't know what

else to do no justice from the courts.

it's getting harder and harder to live in this place no help of at all.

Elvira

[] Re: Mold Sampling: Chain of Custody Form

I know how mold grows, and I also know how to pick a fresh loaf of

bread. I also know that the bread can be contaminated from the grain

used to make it, I know the moisture in bread can cause the bread to

grow mold even in a dry home that is mainly free from mold. I have 2

moldy homes, the enviroment in them is very different.but I have

realized that a home with continueing sorse of moisture and mold

growth over time contributes to the moisture problem itself. one is

still a fairly dry type home but leaks from a new roof has caused

mold to grow and along with that the moisture in the home has

increased. I lived in this home before the mold started and while it

slowly got worse. the secound home was one of those buys were the

problems were covered up to get it sold. I have found out sence the 4

horriable months that I lived in this death house just how many years

the home was abandoned and one whole corner of the brick home was

cracked seperated and sunk into the ground. there is severe moisture

problems in this home from several resoures. it never should have

been sold as liveable in the first place, but had a very pretty

bandaid on it. I have a building construction background. I

understand both of these homes and their mold problems better than

anyone. my victorian home is big enough that companys that came to do

tape tests and air tests got lost in it. or confused when trying to

follow the leak patteren from the roof to basement. I also know why

and how and have a really good idea of just how the mold spread and

where it is behind walls and other areas in both homes. I did the

investagateing. and the documentation. what I am saying about the

bread is that I have witnessed the different enviroments of each home

and I knoticed that toward the end of my stay in the first home I

noticed that my bread seamed to get moldy faster than usual. (mother

for 29 years). during my short stay at the second home I couldn't

keep any bread long enough to eat it. this home had a bad moisture

and mold problem. moisture was twice as high as outside air, I know,

I tested it. the difference in the enviroments inside each home did

play a part in this as well as how long fruit lasted that I had set

out in my fruit bowl on the table. weather it was the difference in

moisture or because of mold spores in the air or both,???. I am sure

of the effects each home had on me. and I'm sure that the more leaks

or moisture in your home the faster it well over take the home, and I

also know that stachybotrys mold does really well inside a home at

serviving dryer weather,or to be correct I should say dried spores

remained inside the walls and would grow with each rain or with

several days with high moisture in the outside air.and even while it

may of been very dry, wind would stir up what ever was in those walls

and it would filter into the rooms.I know, I lived through it. I try

not to judge anyone on this board, no one can presume to understand

exactually what the other has been through because every case is

different. this is a situation where even experts can learn from the

victims, and victims can learn from each other, and some people are

just finding out that there is such a thing as toxic fungi. or

mold/mycotoxins etc. but part of everyone getting along on this board

is the understanding that some may be affected worse than others and

to be nice about it. I can reconize some by their post if their

haveing a bad day. I cant say exactually what they are suffering

through but can

relate.

>

> Mold is too small to see. The seeds, called spores, are 10-100

times

> smaller than can be seen by the naked eye. What we see as mold is

> actually mold growth, part of a cycle of life for mold. A spore too

> small to see can germinate and grow larger and larger (like a plant

> in your garden) until we see it as a tiny speck. As it continues to

> grow the colony becomes bigger and that is what we commonly call

mold

> - but is actually mold growth - a " plant " rather than just a seed.

>

> Mold does not become visible and bigger by accumulating like dust

> bunnies under the bed or because there is a lot of it already in a

> house. Mold becomes visible by growing. Mold in the seed form - too

> small to see - is everywhere. But create the environment suitable

for

> growth - dampness - and it will grow. Continue those conditons -

> especially dampness - and it amplifies, meaning the seeds that grow

> create more seeds that grow which create more seeds that grow,

> doubling every few days or hours, depending.

>

> So two events are occurring: Invisible seeds grow into organisms

> large enough to see, and the organisms create more invisible seeds.

> Start with one spore inside a bread wrapper or under vinyl

wallpaper

> or inside a damp wall and under the right conditions you soon have

> billions of spores and thousands of visible colonies and perhaps

> millions of colonies not yet large enough to see.

>

> All of that mold (growth) is there because of dampness and food.

> Don't change the environment and the house becomes loaded with

mold.

> BUT more spores doesn't make the mold grow faster. There is just

more

> to start with.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Barb, the 2nd home I was exposed in was so bad, that fresh bread

> > would turn moldy in 2 days,am I'm talking like not seeing any on

it

> > one day and the next day it was covered with green and black

mold, so

> > it must go right threw the bread wrapper, or just opening it

allows

> > the spores in the air to containate it. last time I had to go in,

> > there were mold dots covering everthing in all different colors.

a lot

> > of yellow too. and under the house there was a layer of white

dust.

> > wish I could afford to test each color to know what type they

are. Im

> > thinking that if mold starts growing quickly,in your bread, or

fruit

> > turns bad quickly. you have a bad mold problem, it has to be in

the

> > air pretty heavy to contaminate things fast that way. also being

in a

> > house that bad, your not only breathing it but ingesting it as

well.

> >

>

July 19, 2006

Who I know to well I feel like I'm back to stage one I don't own but I'm

persecuted just because I try to bring awareness I don't leave home with out it.

it's all over my car T-Shirts I ware nothing else other than jeans and all the

stickers on my car is about mold Al Sharpton has a radio Show 1080 AM.

the Top Manager was on the show, I called but first I asked Mr. sharpton did he

remember me from 2003 at the NAACP National Convention My sign Read NO AID FOR

THE AFFLECTED COUNTING ON PROTECTION. and I said to Mr. Lee top manager of

Wal-Mart How not only his stories was contammnating our air so are many other!?.

Sharpton rushed me off the air it was too

Sharpton that is.

I need help to fine a Mold free Place to live HUD doesn't help I have Chronic

Pain a Miami Policeman did that to me at a 2002 fund raiser 2/7/02 on Top of the

mold. I guess it's back to sleeping in my car I see no angle so far it been 6

years begging for help as you see what you have said is so true look at me no

place to turn and the Courts aren't fair!?.

Elvira

[] Re: Mold Sampling: Chain of Custody Form

Dont give up Elvira, maybe with all the floody going on everywhere,

things will be forced to change. I think hud and the health

departments are going to half to start dealing with this, and

hopefully landlords to. to bad fema only deals with large disasters,

because each of us with our own personal disaster are ignored.

believe me, I know the problems of finding a lawyer with the real

knowledge required to do these cases. theres not one damn thing fair

about what we are suffering

through.

> >

> > Mold is too small to see. The seeds, called spores, are 10-100

> times

> > smaller than can be seen by the naked eye. What we see as mold

is

> > actually mold growth, part of a cycle of life for mold. A spore

too

> > small to see can germinate and grow larger and larger (like a

plant

> > in your garden) until we see it as a tiny speck. As it

continues to

> > grow the colony becomes bigger and that is what we commonly

call

> mold

> > - but is actually mold growth - a " plant " rather than just a

seed.

> >

> > Mold does not become visible and bigger by accumulating like

dust

> > bunnies under the bed or because there is a lot of it already

in a

> > house. Mold becomes visible by growing. Mold in the seed form -

too

> > small to see - is everywhere. But create the environment

suitable

> for

> > growth - dampness - and it will grow. Continue those conditons -

> > especially dampness - and it amplifies, meaning the seeds that

grow

> > create more seeds that grow which create more seeds that grow,

> > doubling every few days or hours, depending.

> >

> > So two events are occurring: Invisible seeds grow into

organisms

> > large enough to see, and the organisms create more invisible

seeds.

> > Start with one spore inside a bread wrapper or under vinyl

> wallpaper

> > or inside a damp wall and under the right conditions you soon

have

> > billions of spores and thousands of visible colonies and

perhaps

> > millions of colonies not yet large enough to see.

> >

> > All of that mold (growth) is there because of dampness and

food.

> > Don't change the environment and the house becomes loaded with

> mold.

> > BUT more spores doesn't make the mold grow faster. There is

just

> more

> > to start with.

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> > -----

> > > Barb, the 2nd home I was exposed in was so bad, that fresh

bread

> > > would turn moldy in 2 days,am I'm talking like not seeing any

on

> it

> > > one day and the next day it was covered with green and black

> mold, so

> > > it must go right threw the bread wrapper, or just opening it

> allows

> > > the spores in the air to containate it. last time I had to go

in,

> > > there were mold dots covering everthing in all different

colors.

> a lot

> > > of yellow too. and under the house there was a layer of white

> dust.

> > > wish I could afford to test each color to know what type they

> are. Im

> > > thinking that if mold starts growing quickly,in your bread,

or

> fruit

> > > turns bad quickly. you have a bad mold problem, it has to be

in

> the

> > > air pretty heavy to contaminate things fast that way. also

being

> in a

> > > house that bad, your not only breathing it but ingesting it

as

> well.

> > >

> >

>

July 20, 2006

Elvira,

If you can't afford a big apartment like your old, tax-subsidized one,

on your income, maybe you should consider sharing a place or moving

somewhere else.

Clearly, dealing with the government is *more trouble than it is worth*.

That is what they are trying to tell you but can't, legally.

Don't you think?

July 21, 2006

1.Clearly, dealing with the government is *more trouble than it is worth*.

Should it be that way? our Government it's the people working for our Government

you should question not me.

2.If you can't afford a big apartment like your old, tax-subsidized one,

on your income, maybe you should consider sharing a place or moving

somewhere else.

HUmmmmmm, believe me I'm looking, don't mine sharing as long as when you use

like my old I feel Hummmm,

3.That is what they are trying to tell you but can't, legally.

I have rights don't you Think the Government and Doctor say I can have a 2/2 by

the way they don't have that right, who ever they are.

I worked hard and wish I was able to work now I made what I get in 2 days some

time one, do you really think I want to live this way!?. there are others they

are called retirement people and disable are you telling me we don't have

rights. I fight for my rights win or loose and this is my right as yours, Here

today gone tomorrow what if? you are asking the wrong question to the wrong

person.

4.Don't you think?

NOPE, I think I have Rights like every one else are you telling me I don't?

don't believe every thing you hear investigating is so much better are you from

HUD Or Legal aid or maybe the slumb Lanlord. I mean no offence but the question

you ask are just soooooooooo like motive I'm seeking good help Nothing more or

less.

Elvira

Re: [] Re: Mold Sampling: Chain of Custody Form

Elvira,

If you can't afford a big apartment like your old, tax-subsidized one,

on your income, maybe you should consider sharing a place or moving

somewhere else.

Clearly, dealing with the government is *more trouble than it is worth*.

That is what they are trying to tell you but can't, legally.

Don't you think?

July 21, 2006

I so agree Who.

Elvira

[] Re: Mold Sampling: Chain of Custody Form

Im not telling her to give up. nothing gets done when you give up.

actually more renters that are getting rented moldy apartments need to

put their foot down, thats like saying that because my 2 houses are

still standing, that I could rent them out instead of tearing them

down. that I could just not care about makeing people ill, as long as I

I made money off of it. nothing gets changed by giveing

up.

>

> Elvira,

>

> If you can't afford a big apartment like your old, tax-subsidized one,

> on your income, maybe you should consider sharing a place or moving

> somewhere else.

>

> Clearly, dealing with the government is *more trouble than it is

worth*.

>

> That is what they are trying to tell you but can't, legally.

>

> Don't you think?

>

July 23, 2006

Elvira, I am really sorry. I was in a cranky and cynical mood.

Actually, I was in a similar situation myself - one that got steadily

worse for many years until the last year turned into a total nightare.

My conclusion coming out of it was that since our society puts

ownership on a pedastal the way it does, that as a renter, ultimately,

there is little one can do to change a situation if the woner of the

rental does not want to maintain the space, in other words, if they

want you out, they will find a way to get you out.

I agree with you that the situation - that you (and I) couldn't find

another space taht we could afford, etc. is unjust but that is not

the owner's problem.

Right now, the government is cutting funds for public housing. many of

the residents have nowhere to go and they end up dying or being forced

out on to the street. What needs to happen is those people need to

stop wasting their energies on pointless exercises in drama (nobody

will come to their aid..as it would be very expensive and they don't

have the power to get those resources) and organize to become

self-sufficient.

This means STARTING ALTERNATIVE HOUSING SITUATIONS - that they can

somehow OWN, and CHANGING THE LAWS SO THAT LANDLORDS ARE UNAMBIGUOUSLY

FORCED TO MAINTAIN HOUSING THEY RENT.

They should make examples of landlords who ignore housing codes and

rent dangerous apartments.. but this will be very hard because the

powerless are SO powerless these days.. Their ONLY weapon is

embarassing them and that is hard as so many landlords couldn't care

less about their reputations.. (I know mine didn't. ) They just care

about profit and they LOVE mold if it can be used to force their

unprofitable (read poor/subsidized/rent controlled) tenants to MOVE.

They love it.

Until we have medical consensus and more we won't have LAWS.. Until we

have laws, legal wins will almost never happen.. (poor people can't

get lawyers - this is the way the system has been designed..)

For example, we URGENTLY need to LEGISLATE STANDARDS THAT EFFECTIVELY

PROHIBIT LANDLORDS FROM IGNORING TOXIC MOLD SITUATIONS - even if it

may result in housing stock being removed from the market.. perhaps we

could prevent that by setting up a 'remediation corps' that would

affordably clean up housing on the condition that it not be sold as

condos for ten years or something..

Alternatively, land is cheap in many rural areas.. perhaps

non-affluent people can buy land together, somehow create a legal

framework and building code that allowed it, and then and set up small

(affordable) co-housing situations..

On 7/20/06, elvira52 <Elvira52@...> wrote:

>

> 1.Clearly, dealing with the government is *more trouble than it is worth*.

>

IT IS: THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT. WE WON'T HAVE A CHANGE IN THAT UNTIL WE

HAVE ELECTION REFORM AND CORPORATE PEOPLE CAN'T BUY LEGISLATION.

> Should it be that way?

NO!!!

our Government it's the people working for our Government you should

question not me.

Don't blame government employees, blame the legislators who are in

essence working for the housing developers.. For every housing

development they can tear down and replace with 'affordable low-income

condos - for people making >$50k/year - get the picture) the more

money they 'make'..in contributions.. See opensecrets.org for your

local info.. this connection is EXPLICIT..

>

> 2.If you can't afford a big apartment like your old, tax-subsidized one,

> on your income, maybe you should consider sharing a place or moving

> somewhere else.

>

> HUmmmmmm, believe me I'm looking, don't mine sharing as long as when you use

like my old I feel Hummmm,

I'm sorry, I think I was being needlessly rude. I really wish it

wasn't that way but it seems to be everywhere. My fears are that as

poor people become more and more marginalized things will get ugly as

more and more people get literally pushed off the map.. Most people

don't see it coming but I read a lot of history and I see a dangerous

time ahead if we can't get people off their butts on this issue.

Affordable housing is a crucial issue.. And REAL ownership is

CRUCIAL.. Otherwise we are headed towards a modern-day equivalent of

feudalism..

>

> 3.That is what they are trying to tell you but can't, legally.

>

> I have rights don't you?

I would LIKE to think so but upon close examination I am finding out I

DIDN'T / DON'T.

The system puts a lot of energy into making us THINK we do, though,,,

Its all a big fake charade.. basically..

>Think the Government and Doctor say I can have a 2/2 by the way they

don't have that right, who ever they are.

??? I'm sorry, I don;t understand what you meant there.. A right to a

subsidized apartment even if its uninhabitable, is still a right to an

uninhabitable apartment. Unless the law says that it must be habitable

and it won't ever be that way for US until we have EXPLICIT STANDARDS

ON TOXIC MOLD IN BUILDINGS..

>

> I worked hard and wish I was able to work now I made what I get in 2 days some

time one, do you really think I want to live this way!?.

Nobody does but that won;t help them. How do you think most people

will feel when in ten or twenty years only half (or less) the

percentage of people have jobs as now and housing is four times as

dear..money wise? They will be angry but as the story goes, if we are

frogs in a pot of water that is slowly boiled we won't have the common

sense to jump out.

Just because jobs and housing won't exist for many won't in any way

lessen their need for them or the negative consequences of not having

them.

>There are others they are called retirement people and disable are

you telling me we don't have rights.

There is no right to housing in the United States. If we want to

create such a right, we would need to do so through the electoral

system.

There is also no right to employment. In fact, a corporation has a

duty to their owners - their stockholders - to reduce costs to the

greatest extent possible, which often means cutting costs by moving

jobs overseas or automating them out of existence. That efficiency is

what has made American business so productive. Ultimately, many

businesses won't need many employees at all, which will make them very

profitable. (but of course, who will buy their products if nobody has

jobs - but few executives have the forsight to realize that - as it

was in the Depression - this is - or it will become - their problem!)

>I fight for my rights win or loose and this is my right as yours,

Here today gone tomorrow what if? you are asking the wrong question to

the wrong person.

Go Elvira! Give em hell! I'm 100% behind you in many ways, you might

not see it, though..

But I think people need to fight smarter and with a clearer goal in

mind than simply their own immediate situations.. because the odds are

stacked against them in more ways than they can ever imagine without

LAWS THAT CRIMINALIZE MOLD POISONING..

>

> 4.Don't you think?

>

> NOPE, I think I have Rights like every one else are you telling me I don't?

No, I am telling you that you have .. which is no rights.. None of us

have rights in this area yet..

>don't believe every thing you hear investigating is so much better

are you from HUD

Nooo.. not in a million years..

>Or Legal aid or maybe the slumb Lanlord. I mean no offence but the

question you ask are just soooooooooo like motive I'm seeking good

help Nothing more or less.

>

GOOD LUCK!!! But I am not very optimistic for your chances.. Lawyers

are businesspeople in the sense that they won't take cases they don't

think they can win.. Without a law they can use to get you a money

judgement, they don't take cases.. and the 'establishment' has been

very successful in preventing every possible way people like you could

prevail. What you need is a pro-bono lawyer or a fighting legal

foundation to take your case..

Have you tried the Southern Poverty Law Center? (at

http://www.splcenter.org/

)

They are very good..

But seriously.. doing that would take years.. in the meantime, you

need a home.. Don't expect anyone to GIVE you a new anything, they

seem to want to force you out. You will need to force them to give you

a habitable home. It won't be easy. And it will take more brain power

than I think ANY of us can/could have/ muster up when living in mold..

its like a oxymoron.. (If you are well enough to fight, you can't be

sick enough to win.. if you are so sick you deserve to win, in their

logic, you won't be able to organize yourself well enough to

fight..get the picture.. Net result.. justice never gets done..

July 23, 2006

LiviSimply,

I do understand, I'm just stressed out. You see I worry so much about the

Children affected by all this, elder's Disable lonely no where to turn. this is

much deeper than what you say below, # 1 the Housing Voucher isn't for the

people it's for home buyers many of them are now loosing those home Government

Plot. nothing more awards that's being taken away by lie's high Taxes, I agree

it's a Nightmare brought on by wrongs of 911, I disagree it is the owners

problem.

1.if they

want you out, they will find a way to get you out.

Only because the Courts is on there sides if people like us start some type of

campaign on the Courts this could change every one it's like WHO, whom I think

is a great person didn't rent her moldy homes I call that class.

2.For example, we URGENTLY need to LEGISLATE STANDARDS THAT EFFECTIVELY

PROHIBIT LANDLORDS FROM IGNORING TOXIC MOLD SITUATIONS - even if it

may result in housing stock being removed from the market.. perhaps we

could prevent that by setting up a 'remediation corps' that would

affordably clean up housing on the condition that it not be sold as

condos for ten years or something..

I So agree, Great Idea we need action Not Words talk is Cheep there are things

moving on this issue if more people would start calling Radio stations as I do.

it seem they are waiting for something what I don't know already they are

replacing many Running HUD Housing. we must keep hope alive.

3.Alternatively, land is cheap in many rural areas.. perhaps

non-affluent people can buy land together, somehow create a legal

framework and building code that allowed it, and then and set up small

(affordable) co-housing situations..

Well I'm the Granddaughter of the West African Slaves and Cherokee Indians that

received the 160 Acers of Land at $1.00 it's still in the family. I can work

with one Acers, just need help I'm sure it can turn into more. You see I'm the

black sheep of the family but all this could change Great Idea any takers.

4.But I think people need to fight smarter and with a clearer goal in

mind than simply their own immediate situations.. because the odds are

stacked against them in more ways than they can ever imagine without

LAWS THAT CRIMINALIZE MOLD POISONING..

There are Laws the problem is getting the Courts to abide by them and I

understand to well.

Peace