Re: Re:Re: Re: new member/mold questions

July 25, 2006

I have No choice it take away order I can't smell it any way nor can I smell the

mold unless I move something around this is the 3 time I'm loosing my things.

How can you or can you get mold out of wood?

Elvira

[] Re: new member/mold

> questions

>

> live simply, please be careful about telling people

> to clean up

> their mold. it should be tested first dont you

> think so? what if it

> is stachy or other toxic fungi, a hepa mask does

> not protect you from

> mycotoxins. some situations do require

> professional clean up and some

> homes are beyond cleaning up. by telling someone

> to clean it up you

> may be telling them to stir up toxic fungi that

> well make them even

> more ill. you desideing to stay in your moldy

> home does not mean

> everyone should or can. if she is finding a lot

> of evidence of

> possible past and/or continueing mold growth,

> painted over, there is

> a chance the home had a mold problem prior to her

> buying it witch may

> of had remediation done on it before and its

> coming back. if it has

> had a long term mold problem it may be infested

> into the walls and

> cealing joists and no amount of cleaning is going

> to do any good but

> could make her much sicker by trying to clean it

> up. and please be

> careful about saying that mold has to have a

> serious moisture problem

> because that is not true either. stachybotrys can

> and does servive

> drier conditions. think about it. stachy becomes

> dangerous when it

> becomes airborne, it doesn't become airborne

> until it dries.

> mycotoxins attach to the spores and can be

> released everytime it gets

> stirred up.its been tested and found that it

> remains toxic for

> several years even when dry, every single spore

> should be removed,

> thats basically imposible and may be part of the

> reason that

> remediation doesn't always work. unless she wants

> to live with gutted

> out walls to try to keep even one little spore

> from again becomeing

> many. also, I have to wonder where you live and

> what you do in the

> winter when you cant open the windows. I was even

> more exposed in my

> home during winter months because the heating

> system caused those dry

> mold spores to stay stirred up. I would take

> great caution when

> telling someone to clean it up, as your and their

> situation could be

> a lot

> different.

>

> > > Hi, I am a new member. I am also new to

> researching mold, and I

> have some questions if someone could please help

> me.

> > >

> > > We moved into an older home 4 years ago.

> Within a couple weeks of

> moving in, we had >mold growing on the 2nd floor

> bathroom ceiling

> (they must have painted to cover it up). >Shortly

> after that, it

> began growing on the walls. It is a black mold,

> but probably not

> *the* >black mold. We have since treated the

> walls with killz, but

> the black mold still grows in the >toilet bowl,

> toothbrush holder,

> etc.

> >

> > Do you have a vent fan in your bathroom

> ceiling. If not, you need to

> > install one now. Mold does not grow that way

> without major humidity

> in

> > the air.

> >

> > >I also didn't make a connection until last

> weekend, but the

> basement

> > walls were also painted, and they left a small

> dehumidifier in the

> > basement.

> > >We run it in the summer, because it does get

> humid down there. We

> > probably need a larger unit, though, because

> this one looks more

> like

> > room-size.

> >

> > What is the humidity like in your area? You may

> simply need more

> > ventilation, like blower fans blowing both into

> and out of your

> > basement. I am not an expert, but I would say,

> yes, perhaps also

> > larger dehumidifiers. if you can't leave the

> windows open...In any

> > case, measure it.. they have relative humidity

> meters - do whatever

> it

> > takes to keep your RH no higher than 55 or 60%.

> Even lower, if

> > possible.

> >

> > >About 6 months ago, we tore out a small piece

> of plaster from the

> > ceiling on the staircase going upstairs (from

> 1st to 2nd floor). I

> > noticed that the wood underneath was black, but

> thought maybe there

> > had been a fire. I am now suspecting that it

> was mold, because the

> > wood didn't look burnt, even though it was

> black.

> > >

> > > About a year ago, I started experiencing

> extreme fatigue. I have

> had it for about 14 months now. I have tried diet

> changes (removing

> food sensitivities), and recently an anti-Candida

> protocol. I also

> started seeing an ND last weekend. She ruled out

> Candida, since I

> wasn't having any die-off after a month of

> treatment.

> >

> > I get this too when I get toxic mold exposure.

> I can't speak for

> > others, but let me share what has helped me..

> First, you need to

> > increase the amount of fresh air in your house

> or if that isn't

> > possible during the daytime because of AC, run

> big HEPA filter

> units,

> > as much filtration as possible. If you can't

> afford HEPA, buy big 20

> > fans and duct tape the purple micro-allergenic

> Filtrete filters to

> the

> > intake side of them with the arrows in the

> right direction..

> >

> > I had good luck with a Whirpool whispure AP450

> (around $250) It was

> a

> > good investment..

> >

>

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July 25, 2006

Vinegar keeps me from sleeping in my car or paying rent and Homeless we need

tenet Rights where the Landlord should have the ducks clean. how many times a

year I don't know my land Lord has $2.00 filters that has to change to because

it's in the story doesn't mean it's safe.

HUD do have tenets meetings or they use to if not it should be for all just like

they do for the Rich HUD people.

Elvira

[] Re: new member/mold

> > questions

> >

> > live simply, please be careful about telling

> people

> > to clean up

> > their mold. it should be tested first dont you

> > think so? what if it

> > is stachy or other toxic fungi, a hepa mask

> does

> > not protect you from

> > mycotoxins. some situations do require

> > professional clean up and some

> > homes are beyond cleaning up. by telling

> someone

> > to clean it up you

> > may be telling them to stir up toxic fungi

> that

> > well make them even

> > more ill. you desideing to stay in your moldy

> > home does not mean

> > everyone should or can. if she is finding a

> lot

> > of evidence of

> > possible past and/or continueing mold growth,

> > painted over, there is

> > a chance the home had a mold problem prior to

> her

> > buying it witch may

> > of had remediation done on it before and its

> > coming back. if it has

> > had a long term mold problem it may be

> infested

> > into the walls and

> > cealing joists and no amount of cleaning is

> going

> > to do any good but

> > could make her much sicker by trying to clean

> it

> > up. and please be

> > careful about saying that mold has to have a

> > serious moisture problem

> > because that is not true either. stachybotrys

> can

> > and does servive

> > drier conditions. think about it. stachy

> becomes

> > dangerous when it

> > becomes airborne, it doesn't become airborne

> > until it dries.

> > mycotoxins attach to the spores and can be

> > released everytime it gets

> > stirred up.its been tested and found that it

> > remains toxic for

> > several years even when dry, every single

> spore

> > should be removed,

> > thats basically imposible and may be part of

> the

> > reason that

> > remediation doesn't always work. unless she

> wants

> > to live with gutted

> > out walls to try to keep even one little spore

> > from again becomeing

> > many. also, I have to wonder where you live

> and

> > what you do in the

> > winter when you cant open the windows. I was

> even

> > more exposed in my

> > home during winter months because the heating

> > system caused those dry

> > mold spores to stay stirred up. I would take

> > great caution when

> > telling someone to clean it up, as your and

> their

> > situation could be

> > a lot

> > different.

> >

> > > > Hi, I am a new member. I am also new to

> > researching mold, and I

> > have some questions if someone could please

> help

> > me.

> > > >

> > > > We moved into an older home 4 years ago.

> > Within a couple weeks of

> > moving in, we had >mold growing on the 2nd

> floor

> > bathroom ceiling

> > (they must have painted to cover it up).

> >Shortly

> > after that, it

> > began growing on the walls. It is a black

> mold,

> > but probably not

> > *the* >black mold. We have since treated the

> > walls with killz, but

> > the black mold still grows in the >toilet

> bowl,

> > toothbrush holder,

> > etc.

> > >

> > > Do you have a vent fan in your bathroom

> > ceiling. If not, you need to

> > > install one now. Mold does not grow that way

> > without major humidity

> > in

> > > the air.

> > >

> > > >I also didn't make a connection until last

> > weekend, but the

> > basement

> > > walls were also painted, and they left a

> small

> > dehumidifier in the

> > > basement.

> > > >We run it in the summer, because it does

> get

> > humid down there. We

> > > probably need a larger unit, though, because

> > this one looks more

> > like

> > > room-size.

> > >

> > > What is the humidity like in your area? You

> may

> > simply need more

> > > ventilation, like blower fans blowing both

> into

> > and out of your

> > > basement. I am not an expert, but I would

> say,

> > yes, perhaps also

> > > larger dehumidifiers. if you can't leave the

> > windows open...In any

> > > case, measure it.. they have relative

> humidity

>

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July 25, 2006

>How can you or can you get mold out of wood?

>

> Elvira

There are at least two parts to this question. 1. Surface mold, and

2. Internal mold (aka wood rot).

1. Surface mold is only on the surface with roots penetrating maybe a

millimeter or so into unfinished wood. This mold is not able to eat

the wood, only surface debris and biofilms. It reproduces with spores

which are easily airborne, thus we can get easily exposed to them.

After the loose spores and vegetation is removed from the surface by

HEPA vacuuming and damp wiping, then the wood can be sanded, wire

brushed or ice blasted for final removal (with appropriate

containment etc). However, there may still be odors in the wood that

are caused by or are associated with the mold on the wood surface

that have to be dealt with. That's when a good sealant might be

useful, as long as you don't react to the sealant and a few other

contingencies. As long as 2. below isn't also present.

2. Internal mold growth is the kind that actually eats the wood

including below the surface and also from the inside, which is why it

is called rot. This type of mold cannot be removed from surfaces

because it is not just on the surface but throughout the whole piece

of wood. Because its structural integrity is also likely to be

compromised it usually should be removed and replaced. However (1),

this type of mold is rarely connected to mold allergies, asthma

triggers and othe types of exposures because it usually doesn't

sporulate or at least not on the surface. However (2), I'm not aware

of any studies that have addressed possible exposure effects from the

various mold products and wood decomposition by-products from rot.

The closest I've seen is the Institute of Medicine report from May

2004 that identified chemical releases from moisture damaged

materials. They didn't identify what those releases were so we

shouldn't assume they don't come from mold or because of mold or from

chemicals already in the materials. We don't know.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

July 25, 2006

LOL,

:-)

Elvira

[] Re: new member/mold

> questions

>

> live simply, please be careful about telling

> people to clean up

> their mold. it should be tested first dont you

> think so? what if it

> is stachy or other toxic fungi, a hepa mask does

> not protect you from

> mycotoxins. some situations do require

> professional clean up and some

> homes are beyond cleaning up. by telling someone

> to clean it up you

> may be telling them to stir up toxic fungi that

> well make them even

> more ill. you desideing to stay in your moldy home

> does not mean

> everyone should or can. if she is finding a lot of

> evidence of

> possible past and/or continueing mold growth,

> painted over, there is

> a chance the home had a mold problem prior to her

> buying it witch may

> of had remediation done on it before and its

> coming back. if it has

> had a long term mold problem it may be infested

> into the walls and

> cealing joists and no amount of cleaning is going

> to do any good but

> could make her much sicker by trying to clean it

> up. and please be

> careful about saying that mold has to have a

> serious moisture problem

> because that is not true either. stachybotrys can

> and does servive

> drier conditions. think about it. stachy becomes

> dangerous when it

> becomes airborne, it doesn't become airborne until

> it dries.

> mycotoxins attach to the spores and can be

> released everytime it gets

> stirred up.its been tested and found that it

> remains toxic for

> several years even when dry, every single spore

> should be removed,

> thats basically imposible and may be part of the

> reason that

> remediation doesn't always work. unless she wants

> to live with gutted

> out walls to try to keep even one little spore

> from again becomeing

> many. also, I have to wonder where you live and

> what you do in the

> winter when you cant open the windows. I was even

> more exposed in my

> home during winter months because the heating

> system caused those dry

> mold spores to stay stirred up. I would take great

> caution when

> telling someone to clean it up, as your and their

> situation could be

> a lot

> different.

>

> > > Hi, I am a new member. I am also new to

> researching mold, and I

> have some questions if someone could please help

> me.

> > >

> > > We moved into an older home 4 years ago.

> Within a couple weeks of

> moving in, we had >mold growing on the 2nd floor

> bathroom ceiling

> (they must have painted to cover it up). >Shortly

> after that, it

> began growing on the walls. It is a black mold,

> but probably not

> *the* >black mold. We have since treated the walls

> with killz, but

> the black mold still grows in the >toilet bowl,

> toothbrush holder,

> etc.

> >

> > Do you have a vent fan in your bathroom ceiling.

> If not, you need to

> > install one now. Mold does not grow that way

> without major humidity

> in

> > the air.

> >

> > >I also didn't make a connection until last

> weekend, but the

> basement

> > walls were also painted, and they left a small

> dehumidifier in the

> > basement.

> > >We run it in the summer, because it does get

> humid down there. We

> > probably need a larger unit, though, because

> this one looks more

> like

> > room-size.

> >

> > What is the humidity like in your area? You may

> simply need more

> > ventilation, like blower fans blowing both into

> and out of your

> > basement. I am not an expert, but I would say,

> yes, perhaps also

> > larger dehumidifiers. if you can't leave the

> windows open...In any

> > case, measure it.. they have relative humidity

> meters - do whatever

> it

> > takes to keep your RH no higher than 55 or 60%.

> Even lower, if

> > possible.

> >

> > >About 6 months ago, we tore out a small piece

> of plaster from the

> > ceiling on the staircase going upstairs (from

> 1st to 2nd floor). I

> > noticed that the wood underneath was black, but

> thought maybe there

> > had been a fire. I am now suspecting that it was

> mold, because the

> > wood didn't look burnt, even though it was

> black.

> > >

> > > About a year ago, I started experiencing

> extreme fatigue. I have

> had it for about 14 months now. I have tried diet

> changes (removing

> food sensitivities), and recently an anti-Candida

> protocol. I also

>

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July 25, 2006

Mr. Grimes,

Thank You I got ride of my other wood peaces when the illegally evicted me this

is all new also what about Leather I have a lot of bags that's Leather. and

other things what can I use to remove the mold from the Leather I love Wood and

Leather.

Elvira

Re: Re:Re: [] Re: new member/mold questions