Re: Goes without saying

May 6, 2007

so many drugs. there is a drug for everything. why do we need so

many drugs. Is there no way to reduce irritations in environment or

upbringing so that drugs are rare.

How many people on this board are on medications? all Of my BF NT

children are on meds, as well as my first ex husband. I have to

fight to not get my daughter on whatever med comes along My ex is so

med happy. Her wants her to be on something too. I know there are

occasions that people require medications but where is the research

to reduce drug needs or to actually adress the cause and not mask the

symptoms. That research never gets done. I would like to see

research that ended unnecessary drug use, or over use. what if there

was a disaster and no drugs could be made would we all die??

I am considering getting a doctorate after my grad work in

neuroscience ( I guess I will be poor forever if I study that ) oh

well poverty here I come

>

> " The proposed labeling changes would note that studies have not

shown

> this increased risk in adults older than 24 and that adults 65 and

> older taking antidepressants have a decreased risk of suicidal

> thoughts and behavior. "

>

> My sister (28 at the time) had to quit taking Zoloft because it

made

> her suicidal. She is on Paxil now, which doesn't stop the

depression

> one iota, but does decrease the OCD and she has not had AS MANY

> suicidal thoughts.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

May 6, 2007

So. LSD does the same thing.environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: "The proposed labeling changes would note that studies have not shownthis increased risk in adults older than 24 and that adults 65 andolder taking antidepressants have a decreased risk of suicidalthoughts and behavior."My sister (28 at the time) had to quit taking

Zoloft because it made her suicidal. She is on Paxil now, which doesn't stop the depression one iota, but does decrease the OCD and she has not had AS MANY suicidal thoughts.TomAdministrator

Don't pick lemons.

See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.

May 6, 2007

So. LSD does the same thing.environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: "The proposed labeling changes would note that studies have not shownthis increased risk in adults older than 24 and that adults 65 andolder taking antidepressants have a decreased risk of suicidalthoughts and behavior."My sister (28 at the time) had to quit taking

Zoloft because it made her suicidal. She is on Paxil now, which doesn't stop the depression one iota, but does decrease the OCD and she has not had AS MANY suicidal thoughts.TomAdministrator

Don't pick lemons.

See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.

May 8, 2007

don't know if anyone saw this.

Subject: BIPOLAR SPECTRUM DISORDER MAY BE UNDERRECOGNIZED AND

IMPROPERLY TREATED

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH

NIH News

National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH)

<http://www.nimh.nih.gov/>

EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: Monday, May 7, 2007, 4:00 p.m. EDT

CONTACT: Colleen Labbe or mee, NIMH Press Office,

301-443-4536,

<e-mail: NIMHpress@...>

BIPOLAR SPECTRUM DISORDER MAY BE UNDERRECOGNIZED AND IMPROPERLY

TREATED

A new study supports earlier estimates of the prevalence of

bipolar disorder

<http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/bipolarmenu.cfm> in

the U.S.

population, and suggests the illness may be more accurately

characterized as a

spectrum disorder. It also finds that many people with the illness

are not

receiving appropriate treatment. The study, published in the May 2007

issue of

" Archives of General Psychiatry " , analyzed data from the National

Comorbidity

Survey Replication (NCS-R), a nationwide survey of mental disorders

among 9,282

Americans ages 18 and older. The NCS-R was funded by the National

Institutes of

Health's National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).

NIMH researcher Kathleen Merikangas, Ph.D. and colleagues

identified

prevalence rates of three subtypes of bipolar spectrum disorder among

adults.

Bipolar I is considered the classic form of the illness, in which a

person

experiences recurrent episodes of mania and depression. People with

bipolar II

experience a milder form of mania called hypomania that alternates

with

depressive episodes. People with bipolar disorder not otherwise

specified

(BD-NOS), sometimes called subthreshold bipolar disorder, have manic

and

depressive symptoms as well, but they do not meet strict criteria for

any

specific type of bipolar disorder noted in the " Diagnostic and

Statistical

Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) " , the reference manual for

psychiatric

disorders. Nonetheless, BD-NOS still can significantly impair those

who have it.

The results indicate that bipolar I and bipolar II each occur in

about 1

percent of the population; BD-NOS occurs in about 2.4 percent of the

population.

The findings support international studies suggesting that, given its

multi-dimensional nature, bipolar disorder may be better

characterized as a

spectrum disorder.

" Bipolar disorder can manifest itself in several different ways.

But

regardless of type, the illness takes a huge toll, " said NIMH

Director R.

Insel, M.D. " The survey's findings reiterate the need for a more

refined

understanding of bipolar symptoms, so we can better target treatment. "

Most respondents with bipolar disorder reported receiving

treatment. Nearly

everyone who had bipolar I or II (89 to 95 percent) received some

type of

treatment, while 69 percent of those with BD-NOS were getting

treatment. Those

with bipolar I or II were more commonly treated by psychiatric

specialists,

while those with BD-NOS were more commonly treated by general medical

professionals.

However, not everyone received treatment considered optimal for

bipolar

disorder. Up to 97 percent of those who had some type of bipolar

illness said

they had coexisting psychiatric conditions, such as anxiety,

depression or

substance abuse disorders, and many were in treatment for those

conditions

rather than bipolar disorder. The researchers found that many were

receiving

medication treatment considered " inappropriate " for bipolar disorder,

e.g., they

were taking an antidepressant or other psychotropic medication in the

absence of

a mood stabilizing medication such as lithium, valproate, or

carbamazepine. Only

about 40 percent were receiving appropriate medication, considered a

mood

stabilizer, anticonvulsant or antipsychotic medication.

" Such a high rate of inappropriate medication use among people

with bipolar

spectrum disorder is a concern, " said Dr. Merikangas. " It is

potentially

dangerous because use of an antidepressant without the benefit of a

mood

stabilizer may actually worsen the condition. "

Merikangas and colleagues speculate that as people seek treatment

for

anxiety, depression or substance abuse disorders, their doctors,

especially if

they are not mental health specialists, may not be detecting an

underlying

bipolar condition in their patients.

" Because bipolar spectrum disorder commonly coexists with other

illnesses,

it is likely underrecognized, and therefore, undertreated. We need

better

screening tools and procedures for identifying bipolar spectrum

disorder, and

work with clinicians to help them better spot these bipolar

symptoms, " concluded

Dr. Merikangas.

The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) mission is to

reduce the

burden of mental and behavioral disorders through research on mind,

brain, and

behavior. More information is available at the NIMH website,

<http://www.nimh.nih.gov>.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical

Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of

the U. S.

Department of Health and Human Services. It is the primary federal

agency for

conducting and supporting basic, clinical, and translational medical

research,

and it investigates the causes, treatments, and cures for both common

and rare

diseases. For more information about NIH and its programs, visit

<http://www.nih.gov>.

May 8, 2007

RE: Drugs for everything! Saturday I went to a nature-walk here where I'm currently staying, the Elephant Butte Lake campgrounds in New Mexico. (Next to where the new "Virgin Galactic" commercial spaceport is being put in by the billionaire who founded Virgin Airlines. They've just had theire first successfull commercial launch, mostly sending deceased person's ashes up into space.) Anyway- I show up for the walk...I'm the only one there besides the ranger. We walk the pathway and he reads out of book what some twenty or so desert plants of the region are for. Nearly every one has at least one medical/herbal connection. Most have several. Of course, it's just recordings of what the Native Americans in this region used them for... But we got to talking (or perhaps me with my autism-ways went on a pedantic rant oblivious to normal turn-taking social conventions... can't recall

really...probably...) The pharmaceutical companies can't patent natural substances and foods, or vitamins even. So they're in competition against such things. And if herbal stores that are selling the plants have any literature in their stores commenting on what the plants might be good for then they're running a huge risk of being shut down for "practicing medicine without a license". And finally, doctors generally don't go to work at such stores for the simple reason that most medical schools spend a lot of indoctrination time about how terrible alternative medicines are because after all there were these (few) snake-oil salesmen back in the nineteenth century....!!! (Sigh.) Sometimes I feel like the Woody character in Sleeper when he wakes up in the far future and the doctors are telling him that everything they knew back then was wrong and that actually chocolate cake is a health food! Lately more and more it's looking like certain wine compounds, chocolate

(sans the fat, e.g. cocoa powder), ...even tobacco is being researched for effects that seem to diminish the risk of alzheimers and parkinsons.. Aren't there some books out there about something like "The Serotonin Diet" now? There are after all ways to try to pump up brain serotonin levels... (Probably could search on Judith and Wurtman for that... but I'm already boring myself.) Much of my life people have told me I should become a doctor- but I was already massively disillusioned about the whole medical field by the time I was only 19. Long story. Too much said already. Heph

May 8, 2007

RE: Drugs for everything! Saturday I went to a nature-walk here where I'm currently staying, the Elephant Butte Lake campgrounds in New Mexico. (Next to where the new "Virgin Galactic" commercial spaceport is being put in by the billionaire who founded Virgin Airlines. They've just had theire first successfull commercial launch, mostly sending deceased person's ashes up into space.) Anyway- I show up for the walk...I'm the only one there besides the ranger. We walk the pathway and he reads out of book what some twenty or so desert plants of the region are for. Nearly every one has at least one medical/herbal connection. Most have several. Of course, it's just recordings of what the Native Americans in this region used them for... But we got to talking (or perhaps me with my autism-ways went on a pedantic rant oblivious to normal turn-taking social conventions... can't recall

really...probably...) The pharmaceutical companies can't patent natural substances and foods, or vitamins even. So they're in competition against such things. And if herbal stores that are selling the plants have any literature in their stores commenting on what the plants might be good for then they're running a huge risk of being shut down for "practicing medicine without a license". And finally, doctors generally don't go to work at such stores for the simple reason that most medical schools spend a lot of indoctrination time about how terrible alternative medicines are because after all there were these (few) snake-oil salesmen back in the nineteenth century....!!! (Sigh.) Sometimes I feel like the Woody character in Sleeper when he wakes up in the far future and the doctors are telling him that everything they knew back then was wrong and that actually chocolate cake is a health food! Lately more and more it's looking like certain wine compounds, chocolate

(sans the fat, e.g. cocoa powder), ...even tobacco is being researched for effects that seem to diminish the risk of alzheimers and parkinsons.. Aren't there some books out there about something like "The Serotonin Diet" now? There are after all ways to try to pump up brain serotonin levels... (Probably could search on Judith and Wurtman for that... but I'm already boring myself.) Much of my life people have told me I should become a doctor- but I was already massively disillusioned about the whole medical field by the time I was only 19. Long story. Too much said already. Heph

May 8, 2007

" ...but I'm already boring myself.) "

not boring at all :-) It a shame many aspies made to feel such a

way :-(

I could elaborate, but a bit of overload here at moment, nothing to

do with your post though.

>

> RE: Drugs for everything!

>

> Saturday I went to a nature-walk here where I'm currently

staying, the Elephant Butte Lake campgrounds in New Mexico. (Next to

where the new " Virgin Galactic " commercial spaceport is being put in

by the billionaire who founded Virgin Airlines. They've just had

theire first successfull commercial launch, mostly sending deceased

person's ashes up into space.) Anyway- I show up for the walk...I'm

the only one there besides the ranger. We walk the pathway and he

reads out of book what some twenty or so desert plants of the region

are for. Nearly every one has at least one medical/herbal connection.

Most have several. Of course, it's just recordings of what the Native

Americans in this region used them for... But we got to talking (or

perhaps me with my autism-ways went on a pedantic rant oblivious to

normal turn-taking social conventions... can't recall

really...probably...) The pharmaceutical companies can't patent

natural substances and foods, or vitamins even. So

> they're in competition against such things. And if herbal stores

that are selling the plants have any literature in their stores

commenting on what the plants might be good for then they're running

a huge risk of being shut down for " practicing medicine without a

license " . And finally, doctors generally don't go to work at such

stores for the simple reason that most medical schools spend a lot of

indoctrination time about how terrible alternative medicines are

because after all there were these (few) snake-oil salesmen back in

the nineteenth century....!!! (Sigh.) Sometimes I feel like the Woody

character in Sleeper when he wakes up in the far future and the

doctors are telling him that everything they knew back then was wrong

and that actually chocolate cake is a health food! Lately more and

more it's looking like certain wine compounds, chocolate (sans the

fat, e.g. cocoa powder), ...even tobacco is being researched for

effects that seem to diminish the risk of

> alzheimers and parkinsons.. Aren't there some books out there

about something like " The Serotonin Diet " now? There are after all

ways to try to pump up brain serotonin levels... (Probably could

search on Judith and Wurtman for that... but I'm already

boring myself.) Much of my life people have told me I should become a

doctor- but I was already massively disillusioned about the whole

medical field by the time I was only 19. Long story. Too much said

already.

>

> Heph

>

May 8, 2007