Guest guest Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Hi Everyone, I've been mulling over the idea of practising gratitude. There's always been something that struck me the wrong way when I say " I'm grateful for X. " I think it's because " grateful " seems tied to not being deserving of it. As an example, supposed someone helps you out and then says " You should be grateful that I'm helping you. " What is the person really saying? He/she is saying that you don't DESERVE to be helped. So, when I say that I'm grateful for having friends, family, health, or whatever, it's as if on a subconscious level, I'm telling myself that I don't deserve these things. Rather than say I'm grateful, I'd rather say that I appreciate what I have in my life. I appreciate my wonderful friends and family. I appreciate my healthy body. I appreciate that there's a great on-line group where I am unconditionally accepted. Maybe this is just semantics, but it feels much different when I use appreciate, rather than grateful. I'm going to continue using appreciate and see if that creates a shift in my beliefs. Thanks everyone, Yuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 First of all, Yuna, thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I read it yesterday. I even went so far as to start searching that renowned repository of Truth--Wikipedia. LOL! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratitude Here are the two main conclusions I've come to. For now. :-) First, When I think of gratitude--as in, the practice of gratitude--I think of it as directed to a higher power. Friday night through Saturday, I generally think of this as prayer. Weekdays, it's sometimes prayer, sometimes thoughts directed to The Universe. The idea of " deserving " doesn't come into play--although there is sometimes an element of humility. And an element of awe. When I'm thinking of it that way-- " appreciation " doesn't have the same weight. Appreciation for a fine wine is more... neutral? Time-bound?... than being grateful for the grapes.... So for this usage, gratitude still feels like the word I want to use. The other--well, not really conclusion, but thought I want to pursue--is that if someone is pulling the " you'd better be grateful I'm doing this for you " routine, well, that's a situation where I'd have a hard time feeling true gratitude. I don't know if I'd manage to feel appreciative, either. Resentment is more likely, actually. Is there someone in your life who actually says this to you? If so, I can completely understand your issues with the word " grateful " . Or, do you *feel* like people are thinking this? In which case, I can understand your feelings about " deserving " . Though I must say, the times I've felt that some had better appreciate what I'm doing, I can't remember feeling that they didn't *deserve* it. They'd just better be aware that I'm such a wonderful, caring, self-sacrificing person that I'll go out of my way for someone even when it's not comfortable or convenient.... In other words, the " you'd better be grateful " is more of an ego trip and/or martyr complex on the part of the other person, NOT a reflection on you and whether or not you deserve the favor. Part of this whole journey for me has been learning to say no when saying yes will make me feel resentful, or make me feel like the other person had *better be* grateful.... After I started getting better at that myself, I started getting better at only requesting things from people who will tell me yes when they mean it, and no if they don't want to. Then the whole negative weight to gratitude/deserving isn't part of the equation. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the word you chose to use. And I definitely don't think it's *just* semantics. Words are more than just a collection of letters. ________________________________ From: ylesca12 <ylesca12@...> weightloss Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 4:31:54 PM Subject: Grateful vs. Appreciative Hi Everyone, I've been mulling over the idea of practising gratitude. There's always been something that struck me the wrong way when I say " I'm grateful for X. " I think it's because " grateful " seems tied to not being deserving of it. As an example, supposed someone helps you out and then says " You should be grateful that I'm helping you. " What is the person really saying? He/she is saying that you don't DESERVE to be helped. So, when I say that I'm grateful for having friends, family, health, or whatever, it's as if on a subconscious level, I'm telling myself that I don't deserve these things. Rather than say I'm grateful, I'd rather say that I appreciate what I have in my life. I appreciate my wonderful friends and family. I appreciate my healthy body. I appreciate that there's a great on-line group where I am unconditionally accepted. Maybe this is just semantics, but it feels much different when I use appreciate, rather than grateful. I'm going to continue using appreciate and see if that creates a shift in my beliefs. Thanks everyone, Yuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Hi , Thank you for an equally thought-provoking response! Hmm, I do see that there is another way to interpret gratitude and it doesn't have to come along with this " you don't deserve it " connotation. There isn't somebody in my life now who makes me feel that way (and I have enough self confidence and esteem to NOT put up with bad treatment), but I probably got that feeling from my childhood, always feeling like I didn't deserve it when people were nice to me. It's funny how even though there may not be a particular event, the collective of our childhood experiences can create limiting beliefs or feelings. Even being an adult now and rationally knowing that those beliefs aren't true, they still color my actions and perceptions. Having tried out the word " appreciative, " I don't particularly like it either. Like you said, it isn't strong enough to capture the feeling. I'm going to try " thankful, " and see how that feels. Thanks for sharing your insights. Yuna > > First of all, Yuna, thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I haven't been > able to stop thinking about it since I read it yesterday. I even went so far as > to start searching that renowned repository of Truth--Wikipedia. LOL! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratitude > > Here are the two main conclusions I've come to. For now. :-) > > First, When I think of gratitude--as in, the practice of gratitude--I think of > it as directed to a higher power. Friday night through Saturday, I generally > think of this as prayer. Weekdays, it's sometimes prayer, sometimes thoughts > directed to The Universe. The idea of " deserving " doesn't come into > play--although there is sometimes an element of humility. And an element of awe. > > > When I'm thinking of it that way-- " appreciation " doesn't have the same weight. > Appreciation for a fine wine is more... neutral? Time-bound?... than being > grateful for the grapes.... > > So for this usage, gratitude still feels like the word I want to use. > > The other--well, not really conclusion, but thought I want to pursue--is that if > someone is pulling the " you'd better be grateful I'm doing this for you " > routine, well, that's a situation where I'd have a hard time feeling true > gratitude. I don't know if I'd manage to feel appreciative, either. Resentment > is more likely, actually. > > > > Is there someone in your life who actually says this to you? If so, I can > completely understand your issues with the word " grateful " . Or, do you *feel* > like people are thinking this? In which case, I can understand your feelings > about " deserving " . > > > Though I must say, the times I've felt that some had better appreciate what I'm > doing, I can't remember feeling that they didn't *deserve* it. They'd just > better be aware that I'm such a wonderful, caring, self-sacrificing person that > I'll go out of my way for someone even when it's not comfortable or > convenient.... In other words, the " you'd better be grateful " is more of an ego > trip and/or martyr complex on the part of the other person, NOT a reflection on > you and whether or not you deserve the favor. > > Part of this whole journey for me has been learning to say no when saying yes > will make me feel resentful, or make me feel like the other person had *better > be* grateful.... After I started getting better at that myself, I started > getting better at only requesting things from people who will tell me yes when > they mean it, and no if they don't want to. Then the whole negative weight to > gratitude/deserving isn't part of the equation. > > > I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the word you chose to use. And > I definitely don't think it's *just* semantics. Words are more than just a > collection of letters. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ylesca12 <ylesca12@...> > weightloss > Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 4:31:54 PM > Subject: Grateful vs. Appreciative > > > Hi Everyone, > > I've been mulling over the idea of practising gratitude. There's always been > something that struck me the wrong way when I say " I'm grateful for X. " I think > it's because " grateful " seems tied to not being deserving of it. > > As an example, supposed someone helps you out and then says " You should be > grateful that I'm helping you. " What is the person really saying? He/she is > saying that you don't DESERVE to be helped. So, when I say that I'm grateful > for having friends, family, health, or whatever, it's as if on a subconscious > level, I'm telling myself that I don't deserve these things. > > Rather than say I'm grateful, I'd rather say that I appreciate what I have in my > life. I appreciate my wonderful friends and family. I appreciate my healthy > body. I appreciate that there's a great on-line group where I am > unconditionally accepted. > > Maybe this is just semantics, but it feels much different when I use appreciate, > rather than grateful. I'm going to continue using appreciate and see if that > creates a shift in my beliefs. > > Thanks everyone, > Yuna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Bravo ! Whether within our own thoughts, spoken or written, words have the power to transform the world we live in. Love, laughter, heroism, friendship, and virtually every emotion we feel as human beings can be inspired by words. Unfortunately, fear, anger, and hatred, can also be invoked by words. Language is at its best when used to inspire others to find the best in themselves. ________________________________ From: <lsageev@...> weightloss Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Grateful vs. Appreciative First of all, Yuna, thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I read it yesterday. I even went so far as to start searching that renowned repository of Truth--Wikipedia. LOL! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratitude Here are the two main conclusions I've come to. For now. :-) First, When I think of gratitude--as in, the practice of gratitude--I think of it as directed to a higher power. Friday night through Saturday, I generally think of this as prayer. Weekdays, it's sometimes prayer, sometimes thoughts directed to The Universe. The idea of " deserving " doesn't come into play--although there is sometimes an element of humility. And an element of awe. When I'm thinking of it that way-- " appreciation " doesn't have the same weight. Appreciation for a fine wine is more... neutral? Time-bound?... than being grateful for the grapes.... So for this usage, gratitude still feels like the word I want to use. The other--well, not really conclusion, but thought I want to pursue--is that if someone is pulling the " you'd better be grateful I'm doing this for you " routine, well, that's a situation where I'd have a hard time feeling true gratitude. I don't know if I'd manage to feel appreciative, either. Resentment is more likely, actually. Is there someone in your life who actually says this to you? If so, I can completely understand your issues with the word " grateful " . Or, do you *feel* like people are thinking this? In which case, I can understand your feelings about " deserving " . Though I must say, the times I've felt that some had better appreciate what I'm doing, I can't remember feeling that they didn't *deserve* it. They'd just better be aware that I'm such a wonderful, caring, self-sacrificing person that I'll go out of my way for someone even when it's not comfortable or convenient.... In other words, the " you'd better be grateful " is more of an ego trip and/or martyr complex on the part of the other person, NOT a reflection on you and whether or not you deserve the favor. Part of this whole journey for me has been learning to say no when saying yes will make me feel resentful, or make me feel like the other person had *better be* grateful.... After I started getting better at that myself, I started getting better at only requesting things from people who will tell me yes when they mean it, and no if they don't want to. Then the whole negative weight to gratitude/deserving isn't part of the equation. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the word you chose to use. And I definitely don't think it's *just* semantics. Words are more than just a collection of letters. ________________________________ From: ylesca12 <ylesca12@...> weightloss Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 4:31:54 PM Subject: Grateful vs. Appreciative Hi Everyone, I've been mulling over the idea of practising gratitude. There's always been something that struck me the wrong way when I say " I'm grateful for X. " I think it's because " grateful " seems tied to not being deserving of it. As an example, supposed someone helps you out and then says " You should be grateful that I'm helping you. " What is the person really saying? He/she is saying that you don't DESERVE to be helped. So, when I say that I'm grateful for having friends, family, health, or whatever, it's as if on a subconscious level, I'm telling myself that I don't deserve these things. Rather than say I'm grateful, I'd rather say that I appreciate what I have in my life. I appreciate my wonderful friends and family. I appreciate my healthy body. I appreciate that there's a great on-line group where I am unconditionally accepted. Maybe this is just semantics, but it feels much different when I use appreciate, rather than grateful. I'm going to continue using appreciate and see if that creates a shift in my beliefs. Thanks everyone, Yuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I like thankful, too. Has a happier connotation. Good thought, Yuna. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® Grateful vs. Appreciative > > > Hi Everyone, > > I've been mulling over the idea of practising gratitude. There's always been > something that struck me the wrong way when I say " I'm grateful for X. " I think > it's because " grateful " seems tied to not being deserving of it. > > As an example, supposed someone helps you out and then says " You should be > grateful that I'm helping you. " What is the person really saying? He/she is > saying that you don't DESERVE to be helped. So, when I say that I'm grateful > for having friends, family, health, or whatever, it's as if on a subconscious > level, I'm telling myself that I don't deserve these things. > > Rather than say I'm grateful, I'd rather say that I appreciate what I have in my > life. I appreciate my wonderful friends and family. I appreciate my healthy > body. I appreciate that there's a great on-line group where I am > unconditionally accepted. > > Maybe this is just semantics, but it feels much different when I use appreciate, > rather than grateful. I'm going to continue using appreciate and see if that > creates a shift in my beliefs. > > Thanks everyone, > Yuna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Part of this whole journey for me has been learning to say no when saying yes will make me feel resentful, or make me feel like the other person had *better be* grateful.... I have also have had to learn to graciously and firmly say No to this or that. It is part of the People Pleaser Personality. For the last four or five years my husband had told me he hated my Helping Heart and Helping Hands. I would be so hurt and angry at him but, I finally get it. I would help others so much I was never there for him or even me. Hugs and Positive Thoughts Constance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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