Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 My answer is that a job is better than no job, and the person ought to perform the services agreed upon regardless of what their pay or benefits are. If they cannot make a living on the salary provided, or if benefits are inferior, then it makes no sense for anyone to take the job in the first place. It HAS been shown that workers with poor benefits make poor workers, but it may also be that poor workers cannot find any other job than those with poor benefits. The irony here is that workers these days perform so poorly and companies take such big losses because of it, that the companies themselves are cutting pay and benefits to the workers. It is also ironic that such a civilized country as America is slowly becoming uncivilized in terms of pay and benefits when compared with Europe, mostly because people have poor work ethics here. Tom Administrator Your Responses Are Noted If someone without disabilities is only paid minimum wage or close to it are they more apt to follow the rules when serving those with disabilities? Especially if they think they can get a job elsewhere paying the same. Not only that but the ware and tare on their vehicle is much greater then a pizza delivery person and without any tips! If an individual providing transportation services is paid $12 an hour and receives benefits then I believe he or she is going to follow the rules in order to keep their jobs. The fundability of certain program I believe reduces the quality of the services provided in ways that may affect the safety and well being of those receiving services. It's not a causal relation that I think itself is liable, but worthy enough to note. Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 My answer is that a job is better than no job, and the person ought to perform the services agreed upon regardless of what their pay or benefits are. If they cannot make a living on the salary provided, or if benefits are inferior, then it makes no sense for anyone to take the job in the first place. It HAS been shown that workers with poor benefits make poor workers, but it may also be that poor workers cannot find any other job than those with poor benefits. The irony here is that workers these days perform so poorly and companies take such big losses because of it, that the companies themselves are cutting pay and benefits to the workers. It is also ironic that such a civilized country as America is slowly becoming uncivilized in terms of pay and benefits when compared with Europe, mostly because people have poor work ethics here. Tom Administrator Your Responses Are Noted If someone without disabilities is only paid minimum wage or close to it are they more apt to follow the rules when serving those with disabilities? Especially if they think they can get a job elsewhere paying the same. Not only that but the ware and tare on their vehicle is much greater then a pizza delivery person and without any tips! If an individual providing transportation services is paid $12 an hour and receives benefits then I believe he or she is going to follow the rules in order to keep their jobs. The fundability of certain program I believe reduces the quality of the services provided in ways that may affect the safety and well being of those receiving services. It's not a causal relation that I think itself is liable, but worthy enough to note. Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Your Responses Are Noted If someone without disabilities is only paid minimum wage or close to it are they more apt to follow the rules when serving those with disabilities? Especially if they think they can get a job elsewhere paying the same. Not only that but the ware and tare on their vehicle is much greater then a pizza delivery person and without any tips! If an individual providing transportation services is paid $12 an hour and receives benefits then I believe he or she is going to follow the rules in order to keep their jobs. The fundability of certain program I believe reduces the quality of the services provided in ways that may affect the safety and well being of those receiving services. It's not a causal relation that I think itself is liable, but worthy enough to note. ************************************************************************ What you are discussing are health issues with regards to services and smoking in a vehicle, not autism issues alone. This is where the waters are being muddied and the Media Release is misleading. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 It's my right to as a person with autism and especially when I self-advocate. Your objection is deemed political and is not concerned. My form of advocacy is adaptaiton in order to preserve the quality of certain services after my parents pass away. This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style.. I'm usually socially non-applicable. Least excluding a select few whom have got to know me. So this court case is going to be a socially event which is indeed healthy. It is like awakening from regularity of one world and into the reality of another. To me this is my autism ground hog day. It might change the future forever with some sort of social wave affect legally. Its all based upon a sensitive legal topic and invalidating a yes or no question to second hand smoke. People whom are sensitive or even normally responsive to the smoke and whom have disabilities should be protected regardless. The question is inappropriate and both unlawful and violating of contracts to conduct the act of smoking while in the car none the less. For 30-75 this will be my interest and no avoidable undertaking in preparation. From theoretics based upon discriminating sciences to the law I will argue with concern to neglatory business practices based upon known health factors of smokers whom cannot take breaks while on duty. The susceptibility ignored and not accommodated for as a smokers disability is in my regard negligence. Thus resulting in the greater likelihood of violations of the laws, contracts and neglectfully raising the risk of exposure to the person with developmental disabilities. The accommodation need be one where a smoker needs to have breaks. Without these breaks he or she is likely to have withdrawal symptoms that could affect his or her ability to operate within the function of the job safely. The safety of any individual while in transport comes first due functionability dysfunctions of operating the transport. This along with the environmental well being of the individual being exposed. Regardless it is indisputable that a smoker cannot smoke while in the vehicle by law and by contracts agreed upon. This applicable in commercial operations while employed to serve any kind of client in transport regardless of functionability. The question is pressure in these protected circumstances especially due to the nature of the clientele. > > Your Responses Are Noted > > If someone without disabilities is only paid minimum wage or close to > it are they more apt to follow the rules when serving those with > disabilities? Especially if they think they can get a job elsewhere > paying the same. Not only that but the ware and tare on their vehicle > is much greater then a pizza delivery person and without any tips! > > If an individual providing transportation services is paid $12 an hour > and receives benefits then I believe he or she is going to follow the > rules in order to keep their jobs. The fundability of certain program > I believe reduces the quality of the services provided in ways that > may affect the safety and well being of those receiving services. It's > not a causal relation that I think itself is liable, but worthy enough > to note. > > ************************************************************************ > > What you are discussing are health issues with regards to services and > smoking in a vehicle, not autism issues alone. This is where the > waters are being muddied and the Media Release is misleading. > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 It's my right to as a person with autism and especially when I self-advocate. Your objection is deemed political and is not concerned. My form of advocacy is adaptaiton in order to preserve the quality of certain services after my parents pass away. This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style.. I'm usually socially non-applicable. Least excluding a select few whom have got to know me. So this court case is going to be a socially event which is indeed healthy. It is like awakening from regularity of one world and into the reality of another. To me this is my autism ground hog day. It might change the future forever with some sort of social wave affect legally. Its all based upon a sensitive legal topic and invalidating a yes or no question to second hand smoke. People whom are sensitive or even normally responsive to the smoke and whom have disabilities should be protected regardless. The question is inappropriate and both unlawful and violating of contracts to conduct the act of smoking while in the car none the less. For 30-75 this will be my interest and no avoidable undertaking in preparation. From theoretics based upon discriminating sciences to the law I will argue with concern to neglatory business practices based upon known health factors of smokers whom cannot take breaks while on duty. The susceptibility ignored and not accommodated for as a smokers disability is in my regard negligence. Thus resulting in the greater likelihood of violations of the laws, contracts and neglectfully raising the risk of exposure to the person with developmental disabilities. The accommodation need be one where a smoker needs to have breaks. Without these breaks he or she is likely to have withdrawal symptoms that could affect his or her ability to operate within the function of the job safely. The safety of any individual while in transport comes first due functionability dysfunctions of operating the transport. This along with the environmental well being of the individual being exposed. Regardless it is indisputable that a smoker cannot smoke while in the vehicle by law and by contracts agreed upon. This applicable in commercial operations while employed to serve any kind of client in transport regardless of functionability. The question is pressure in these protected circumstances especially due to the nature of the clientele. > > Your Responses Are Noted > > If someone without disabilities is only paid minimum wage or close to > it are they more apt to follow the rules when serving those with > disabilities? Especially if they think they can get a job elsewhere > paying the same. Not only that but the ware and tare on their vehicle > is much greater then a pizza delivery person and without any tips! > > If an individual providing transportation services is paid $12 an hour > and receives benefits then I believe he or she is going to follow the > rules in order to keep their jobs. The fundability of certain program > I believe reduces the quality of the services provided in ways that > may affect the safety and well being of those receiving services. It's > not a causal relation that I think itself is liable, but worthy enough > to note. > > ************************************************************************ > > What you are discussing are health issues with regards to services and > smoking in a vehicle, not autism issues alone. This is where the > waters are being muddied and the Media Release is misleading. > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... Regardless it is indisputable that a smoker cannot smoke while in the vehicle by law and by contracts agreed upon. This applicable in commercial operations while employed to serve any kind of client in transport regardless of functionability. The question is pressure in these protected circumstances especially due to the nature of the clientele. " I do not disagree with any of this. What I am saying is that it is not directly related to autism and as such, putting Autism in the Heading of the Media Release is misleading. The cause is worthy. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 " It's my right to as a person with autism and especially when I self-advocate. " There was a time when you said " Aspies " and " autistics " did not exist and that it was a state of mind. Now you entitle your press release " Autism sues... " " My form of advocacy is adaptaiton in order to preserve the quality of certain services after my parents pass away. " Suing somebody to get money to take care of yourself after your parents die (if that is what you are doing) is not ethical. At any rate, nothing prevented you from finding another means of transportation to get you to college, since when a suit happens, the people that you are suing cannot keep you as a client because of further risking themselves to lawsuits. I don't see how not having transportation somewhere imperils future quality of life. " This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style. " You asked for opinions. She gave it to you. She has AS. I have AS. AS is different for the three of us. It will be different for EVERY autistic. That you don't like some opinions and like others is your right, but you ought to recognize that not everyone is going to agree with you, either outside of a courtroom, or inside of it. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 " It's my right to as a person with autism and especially when I self-advocate. " There was a time when you said " Aspies " and " autistics " did not exist and that it was a state of mind. Now you entitle your press release " Autism sues... " " My form of advocacy is adaptaiton in order to preserve the quality of certain services after my parents pass away. " Suing somebody to get money to take care of yourself after your parents die (if that is what you are doing) is not ethical. At any rate, nothing prevented you from finding another means of transportation to get you to college, since when a suit happens, the people that you are suing cannot keep you as a client because of further risking themselves to lawsuits. I don't see how not having transportation somewhere imperils future quality of life. " This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style. " You asked for opinions. She gave it to you. She has AS. I have AS. AS is different for the three of us. It will be different for EVERY autistic. That you don't like some opinions and like others is your right, but you ought to recognize that not everyone is going to agree with you, either outside of a courtroom, or inside of it. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I'm usually socially non-applicable. Least excluding a select few whom have got to know me. So this court case is going to be a socially event which is indeed healthy. It is like awakening from regularity of one world and into the reality of another. To me this is my autism ground hog day. It might change the future forever with some sort of social wave affect legally. Its all based upon a sensitive legal topic and invalidating a yes or no question to second hand smoke. People whom are sensitive or even normally responsive to the smoke and whom have disabilities should be protected regardless. The question is inappropriate and both unlawful and violating of contracts to conduct the act of smoking while in the car none the less. For 30-75 this will be my interest and no avoidable undertaking in preparation. From theoretics based upon discriminating sciences to the law I will argue with concern to neglatory business practices based upon known health factors of smokers whom cannot take breaks while on duty. The susceptibility ignored and not accommodated for as a smokers disability is in my regard negligence. Thus resulting in the greater likelihood of violations of the laws, contracts and neglectfully raising the risk of exposure to the person with developmental disabilities. The accommodation need be one where a smoker needs to have breaks. Without these breaks he or she is likely to have withdrawal symptoms that could affect his or her ability to operate within the function of the job safely. The safety of any individual while in transport comes first due functionability dysfunctions of operating the transport. This along with the environmental well being of the individual being exposed. Regardless it is indisputable that a smoker cannot smoke while in the vehicle by law and by contracts agreed upon. This applicable in commercial operations while employed to serve any kind of client in transport regardless of functionability. The question is pressure in these protected circumstances especially due to the nature of the clientele. It has directly to do with autism because this is a tax-payer funded autism service provider. I have autism and I am suing for the protection of others with autism and as well as others with any kind of developmental disability. Therefore autism as in an autistic or one with autism is suing. The underlining positive influence is it shows that people with autism self-advocate. This might make more people interested in what people with autism have to say. IT creates a relevancy that indeed some say something rather then nothing. A social magnetic force of curiosity. Misleading would be for me to not say I have autism or autism need not apply at all. Individuals must be informed as much as possible with respects to the actual reality of myself. I am not just a man but a man / guy with autism. I think it is politically positive because voters are more likely to support these circumstances if they are properly informed. Your say I am misleading them in your argument is not valid, I am being informative wit the fact of the circumstance creatively. It's better to be empowered by knowledge and creative then to be without tact due to a lack of empowerment through creative knowledge. " ... <snip> ... Regardless it is indisputable that a > smoker cannot smoke while in the vehicle by law and by contracts agreed > upon. This applicable in commercial operations while employed to serve > any kind of client in transport regardless of functionability. The > question is pressure in these protected circumstances especially due to > the nature of the clientele. " > > I do not disagree with any of this. What I am saying is that it is not > directly related to autism and as such, putting Autism in the Heading > of the Media Release is misleading. > > The cause is worthy. > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style ... <snip> ... " You used AUTISM in your Media Release headline as a way to get people's attention and this is misleading as the subject matter deals indirectly with Autism and more directly with the smoking situation, the services received, health issues and employment issues for the transportation contractors. Because I have AS just as you do, my opinion is a valid as yours when discussing matters of Autism. I ABSOLUTELY experience life with the disability you have, that being disability being Autism. It seems to me that every time you return to post on this board that you take exception with me and turn your replies to me into attacks. I have not done this to you. There is no reason for you to do this to me. You asked for opinions and I gave you my opinion. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive communication style ... <snip> ... " You used AUTISM in your Media Release headline as a way to get people's attention and this is misleading as the subject matter deals indirectly with Autism and more directly with the smoking situation, the services received, health issues and employment issues for the transportation contractors. Because I have AS just as you do, my opinion is a valid as yours when discussing matters of Autism. I ABSOLUTELY experience life with the disability you have, that being disability being Autism. It seems to me that every time you return to post on this board that you take exception with me and turn your replies to me into attacks. I have not done this to you. There is no reason for you to do this to me. You asked for opinions and I gave you my opinion. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 > > " It's my right to as a person with autism and especially when I > self-advocate. " > > There was a time when you said " Aspies " and " autistics " did not > exist and that it was a state of mind. Now you entitle your press > release " Autism sues... " --- At one point I believed it better to not in any philosophy concern oneself as either. That thei nfluence of the concepts affect the mind when a mind should be free from such conceptological realities as possible.----- > > " My form of advocacy is adaptaiton in order to preserve the > quality of certain services after my parents pass away. " > > Suing somebody to get money to take care of yourself after your > parents die (if that is what you are doing) is not ethical. At any > rate, nothing prevented you from finding another means of > transportation to get you to college, since when a suit happens, the > people that you are suing cannot keep you as a client because of > further risking themselves to lawsuits. > --- I am not sueing for the sole purpose of money but to awaken the improvement of the standard. IT is a common stereotype people sue just for money. Indeed without an ethical base to this lawsuit there would be no lawsuit. The law is ethical, least in regards to this situation to assure quality improvements. I'm not sure that other transporation is readily availible. The company is in trouble and if I was to obide ot the attention of negative opinon for my audacities then why would others. They and I should keep quite and let slip violations of the laws and contracts in fear of losing something. It's small claims and small claims is limited. IT's for $50 to $7,500 and if I am ethically asked what amount I think I should recieve I won't be able to answere. My task shows I am brave but not selfish. Perhaps others owuld want to be in my place becuase I really don't. --------- > I don't see how not having transportation somewhere imperils future > quality of life. ---- When I lived alone before I could not get to the grocery store. I had health problems and I'm not sure if you truelly understand me. When I was in business as you know of it was not a regular business. Someone brought food to me. ---- > > " This is psychosocial evolutions and since you do not experience > life with the disability I have I don't see how your opinion can > really effect this theme of adaptive communication style. " > > You asked for opinions. She gave it to you. She has AS. I have AS. > AS is different for the three of us. It will be different for EVERY > autistic. That you don't like some opinions and like others is your > right, but you ought to recognize that not everyone is going to > agree with you, either outside of a courtroom, or inside of it. It was accusational her opinon to state in anyway it was misleading. It's just negative reaction for past disagreements and neither of oyu should ethically argue against this. Both of you drive, you just have A.S and both of you are high functioning enough to adapt. It's not really either of your places honestly to jusge me nor anyone who does not have autism in a court room. It's deemed discrimination by anyone without autism. > > Tom > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... Misleading would be for me to not say I have autism or autism need not apply at all. Individuals must be informed as much as possible with respects to the actual reality of myself. I am not just a man but a man / guy with autism. I think it is politically positive because voters are more likely to support these circumstances if they are properly informed. Your say I am misleading them in your argument is not valid, I am being informative wit the fact of the circumstance creatively ... <snip> ... " Yes, and the media could decide that your 'creative' presentation has very little to do with Autism because it has everything to do with endangering another person's health (due to second hand smoke) and well being. The media is not a forgiving creature and once they feel they have been misled, they are less willing to assist you by covering the story in the manner it could best have been covered, if they even bother to cover it at all. They could also choose to stand against you in their media coverage which means a disserve will be done to all Autistics because of the initial Media Release you sent out. One must always consider all sides of the equation before sending out a Media Release and plug up as many holes as may be found while providing good sound reasons why the media should be interested in the story at all. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 " ... <snip> ... This is psychosocial evolutions and > since you do not experience life with the disability I have I don't > see how your opinion can really effect this theme of adaptive > communication style ... <snip> ... " > > You used AUTISM in your Media Release headline as a way to get > people's attention and this is misleading as the subject matter deals > indirectly with Autism and more directly with the smoking situation, > the services received, health issues and employment issues for the > transportation contractors. ----- Nonesense raven the indirect is just point of view of bias as it is a direct association. When the story has directly to do with a service privder that provides services for those with developmental disabilities. I have autism and it's about second hand smoke to people with autism and other people with developmental disabilities. I will use my autism to market myself anyway I want. Likely your jelious in some egotistic sense and desire yourself popularity which such creative ambitions. > > Because I have AS just as you do, my opinion is a valid as yours when > discussing matters of Autism. Your to higher functioning and would not qualify for services like this. Nothing was misleading and it has directly to do with autism services for autistics. You were accusational that I was misleading and perhaps your approach could be better. > > I ABSOLUTELY experience life with the disability you have, that being > disability being Autism. > > It seems to me that every time you return to post on this board that > you take exception with me and turn your replies to me into attacks. > I have not done this to you. There is no reason for you to do this > to me. > > You asked for opinions and I gave you my opinion. > > Raven ---- My autism differs from yours and there are only few times I have talked online with people like my experience. To be honest there are only few on these forums which have releated to me in general ways of how it is in general me or them function in the world. A.S is a seperate though relating condition. The developmental histologies differ in criterion. My expression should be endorced and not discrimated against for the adaptation which least in most respects neither of you qualify to relate to. The regional center nor the transporation service provider offer services to people with A.S. ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Alright. My point was merely that when you say " Autism sues... " you are making a blamket statement that the " difference " itself sues, and I, as an autistic, do not have your particular brand of autism. Therefore, to lump ME, and anyother autistic that is not like you, into your suit by proxy is unfair. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Alright. My point was merely that when you say " Autism sues... " you are making a blamket statement that the " difference " itself sues, and I, as an autistic, do not have your particular brand of autism. Therefore, to lump ME, and anyother autistic that is not like you, into your suit by proxy is unfair. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have already talked to the media here and they take my story very seriously. In fact the health editor I was told would possible investigate. My father writes for the media and I was already offered a letter to the editor which at the time I declined. I believe it effective, reasonable, eye grabbing and I don't believe it rational to believe it was intended to be misleading or it is at all misleading. " ... <snip> ... Misleading would be for me to not say > I have autism or autism need not apply at all. Individuals must be > informed as much as possible with respects to the actual reality of > myself. I am not just a man but a man / guy with autism. I think it > is politically positive because voters are more likely to support > these circumstances if they are properly informed. Your say I am > misleading them in your argument is not valid, I am being informative > wit the fact of the circumstance creatively ... <snip> ... " > > Yes, and the media could decide that your 'creative' presentation has > very little to do with Autism because it has everything to do with > endangering another person's health (due to second hand smoke) and > well being. > > The media is not a forgiving creature and once they feel they have > been misled, they are less willing to assist you by covering the > story in the manner it could best have been covered, if they even > bother to cover it at all. They could also choose to stand against > you in their media coverage which means a disserve will be done to > all Autistics because of the initial Media Release you sent out. > > One must always consider all sides of the equation before sending out > a Media Release and plug up as many holes as may be found while > providing good sound reasons why the media should be interested in > the story at all. > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have already talked to the media here and they take my story very seriously. In fact the health editor I was told would possible investigate. My father writes for the media and I was already offered a letter to the editor which at the time I declined. I believe it effective, reasonable, eye grabbing and I don't believe it rational to believe it was intended to be misleading or it is at all misleading. " ... <snip> ... Misleading would be for me to not say > I have autism or autism need not apply at all. Individuals must be > informed as much as possible with respects to the actual reality of > myself. I am not just a man but a man / guy with autism. I think it > is politically positive because voters are more likely to support > these circumstances if they are properly informed. Your say I am > misleading them in your argument is not valid, I am being informative > wit the fact of the circumstance creatively ... <snip> ... " > > Yes, and the media could decide that your 'creative' presentation has > very little to do with Autism because it has everything to do with > endangering another person's health (due to second hand smoke) and > well being. > > The media is not a forgiving creature and once they feel they have > been misled, they are less willing to assist you by covering the > story in the manner it could best have been covered, if they even > bother to cover it at all. They could also choose to stand against > you in their media coverage which means a disserve will be done to > all Autistics because of the initial Media Release you sent out. > > One must always consider all sides of the equation before sending out > a Media Release and plug up as many holes as may be found while > providing good sound reasons why the media should be interested in > the story at all. > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Tom wrote: " ... <snip> ... You asked for opinions. She gave it to you. She has AS. I have AS. AS is different for the three of us. It will be different for EVERY autistic. That you don't like some opinions and like others is your right, but you ought to recognize that not everyone is going to agree with you, either outside of a courtroom, or inside of it. " wrote back: " ... <snip> ... It was accusational her opinon to state in anyway it was misleading. It's just negative reaction for past disagreements and neither of oyu should ethically argue against this. Both of you drive, you just have A.S and both of you are high functioning enough to adapt. It's not really either of your places honestly to jusge me nor anyone who does not have autism in a court room. It's deemed discrimination by anyone without autism ... <snip> ... " Here we go again, I see. Making an observation and then giving my opinion, based on how many Media Releases I put out in a year and most of which result in positive media coverage, is not being accusational. But I can see that you are going to continue to insist that it is, hoping that I will attack you as you are attacking me. That won't happen, . How can you be so dismissive of another's AS diagnosis? Do I ever post that you 'just have AS'? I do not. I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to lessen who I am by making dismissive comments such as the ones you have made about me in your post. Asperger Syndrome is Autism so I don't understand what you are going on about when you say that I do not have Autism. As for judging you, you asked for opinions and I gave you my opinion. It was not a judgment against you but rather observations on your Media Release. YOU made it personal because YOU do not like my opinion. I am not about to change my opinion so you can feel ok about the Media Release if I believe there are misleading components to your Media Release. You scream about discrimination against you as an Autistic but you obviously do not have any problems whatsoever with discrimination against Autistics who do not agree with YOUR line of reasoning. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Tom wrote: " ... <snip> ... You asked for opinions. She gave it to you. She has AS. I have AS. AS is different for the three of us. It will be different for EVERY autistic. That you don't like some opinions and like others is your right, but you ought to recognize that not everyone is going to agree with you, either outside of a courtroom, or inside of it. " wrote back: " ... <snip> ... It was accusational her opinon to state in anyway it was misleading. It's just negative reaction for past disagreements and neither of oyu should ethically argue against this. Both of you drive, you just have A.S and both of you are high functioning enough to adapt. It's not really either of your places honestly to jusge me nor anyone who does not have autism in a court room. It's deemed discrimination by anyone without autism ... <snip> ... " Here we go again, I see. Making an observation and then giving my opinion, based on how many Media Releases I put out in a year and most of which result in positive media coverage, is not being accusational. But I can see that you are going to continue to insist that it is, hoping that I will attack you as you are attacking me. That won't happen, . How can you be so dismissive of another's AS diagnosis? Do I ever post that you 'just have AS'? I do not. I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to lessen who I am by making dismissive comments such as the ones you have made about me in your post. Asperger Syndrome is Autism so I don't understand what you are going on about when you say that I do not have Autism. As for judging you, you asked for opinions and I gave you my opinion. It was not a judgment against you but rather observations on your Media Release. YOU made it personal because YOU do not like my opinion. I am not about to change my opinion so you can feel ok about the Media Release if I believe there are misleading components to your Media Release. You scream about discrimination against you as an Autistic but you obviously do not have any problems whatsoever with discrimination against Autistics who do not agree with YOUR line of reasoning. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I think you're to attaching of the condition itself as something implying when it obviously is not as so put forth as one individual. Supporting this cause I believe creatively, assertively and intelligently surfaces a problem which few hear about. Anything at my disposal including marketing stratagems should be reasonable to you as if not considered beneficial otherwise suspicious of a nonsense. A potentially harmful nonsense or strategic disempowerment indirectly for certain… I believe it best to look past this misunderstanding and look to the positive causal potentials. > > Alright. My point was merely that when you say " Autism sues... " you > are making a blamket statement that the " difference " itself sues, and > I, as an autistic, do not have your particular brand of autism. > Therefore, to lump ME, and anyother autistic that is not like you, > into your suit by proxy is unfair. > > Tom > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... Your to higher functioning and would not qualify for services like this ... <snip> ... " My child who is also AS and I do not qualify for the services you receive because of people like you who constantly say that AS is not really autism when it absolutely IS autism. My child cannot access the services he very much requires because people assume that as a verbal person with autism he should be able to just get over his autism and function as non-autistics function. That is incorrect and discriminatory and people should stop claiming such. wrote: " ... <snip> ... My autism differs from yours ... <snip> ... " Exactly so do not tell me that I am wrong to have the opinion I do just because it doesn't concur with your own opinion. wrote: " ... <snip> ... A.S is a seperate though relating condition. The developmental histologies differ in criterion ... <snip> ... " It is AUTISM nonetheless. It is not separate. It is not a related condition. It is not AUTISM LIGHT. It is not MILD AUTISM. It is AUTISM. wrote: " ... <snip> ... The regional center nor the transporation service provider offer services to people with A.S. " That's because people with AS are routinely discriminated against and as such, fare much worse than people who are diagnosed HFA when it comes to being able to secure appropriate resources and services. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... Your to higher functioning and would not qualify for services like this ... <snip> ... " My child who is also AS and I do not qualify for the services you receive because of people like you who constantly say that AS is not really autism when it absolutely IS autism. My child cannot access the services he very much requires because people assume that as a verbal person with autism he should be able to just get over his autism and function as non-autistics function. That is incorrect and discriminatory and people should stop claiming such. wrote: " ... <snip> ... My autism differs from yours ... <snip> ... " Exactly so do not tell me that I am wrong to have the opinion I do just because it doesn't concur with your own opinion. wrote: " ... <snip> ... A.S is a seperate though relating condition. The developmental histologies differ in criterion ... <snip> ... " It is AUTISM nonetheless. It is not separate. It is not a related condition. It is not AUTISM LIGHT. It is not MILD AUTISM. It is AUTISM. wrote: " ... <snip> ... The regional center nor the transporation service provider offer services to people with A.S. " That's because people with AS are routinely discriminated against and as such, fare much worse than people who are diagnosed HFA when it comes to being able to secure appropriate resources and services. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 wrote: " ... <snip> ... Your to higher functioning and would not qualify for services like this ... <snip> ... " My child who is also AS and I do not qualify for the services you receive because of people like you who constantly say that AS is not really autism when it absolutely IS autism. My child cannot access the services he very much requires because people assume that as a verbal person with autism he should be able to just get over his autism and function as non-autistics function. That is incorrect and discriminatory and people should stop claiming such. wrote: " ... <snip> ... My autism differs from yours ... <snip> ... " Exactly so do not tell me that I am wrong to have the opinion I do just because it doesn't concur with your own opinion. wrote: " ... <snip> ... A.S is a seperate though relating condition. The developmental histologies differ in criterion ... <snip> ... " It is AUTISM nonetheless. It is not separate. It is not a related condition. It is not AUTISM LIGHT. It is not MILD AUTISM. It is AUTISM. wrote: " ... <snip> ... The regional center nor the transporation service provider offer services to people with A.S. " That's because people with AS are routinely discriminated against and as such, fare much worse than people who are diagnosed HFA when it comes to being able to secure appropriate resources and services. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 " A.S is a seperate though relating condition. The developmental histologies differ in criterion. My expression should be endorced and not discrimated against for the adaptation which least in most respects neither of you qualify to relate to. " What's discriminatory is voiding our opinions because we do not have what you have. I am saying you have a right to your opinion, but I do not thingk you have a right to lump the rest of us in with this. Here is what I see as being the main issue: These people were under contract to drive you in a smoke free vehicle. They did not. Therefore, they owe you money because they voided the terms and conditions of that contract. Because the contract would have been in effect whether or not you had autism, there is no point in bringing the autism into it. That you are sensitive to smoke IS relevant in that it causes you distress. But secondhand smoke causes people who do NOT have autism distress too. Just that you were caused distress ought to be enough to win the case. I just don't see the need to turn this into an autism thing. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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