First Time

[Guest guest]

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. they

do not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,

andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the

nipple in-

Liz

To: RawDairy From: piemopolis@...Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input.. Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

[Guest guest]

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. they

do not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,

andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the

nipple in-

Liz

To: RawDairy From: piemopolis@...Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input.. Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

[Guest guest]

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. they

do not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,

andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the

nipple in-

Liz

To: RawDairy From: piemopolis@...Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input.. Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

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When cows are first fresh they will have lots of udder edema, this will progressively go down in a few weeks. To start out, you don't want to milk her out all the way for the first few days, but it seems your past that. Milk her out like you would a goat. When you can't get anymore out she is done. A vacuum milker is a great tool, just expensive and a little more work to clean. Plus side to it is it is faster and cleaner milk. As far as the calf DO NOT open a big hole in the nipple, you will run the risk of drowning her with milk, When she is sucking and swallowing and there is to much flow milk can rush past the esophageal flap and in to the lungs causing high fever and respiratory problems. You can cut the slits in the nipple just a little, say an 1/8 inch each direction. Lots of the new nipples are very hard till they get broken in.

You may want to try a few different brands, some are softer then others. Also since the calf is not drinking make sure it doesn't get dehydrated, an easy way to check is pinch the skin on the side of the face, when you let go, if it remains wrinkled and doesn't smooth out quickly, she could be starting to dehydrate.

Subject: RE: first timeTo: rawdairy Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 5:27 PM

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. theydo not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the nipple in-Liz

To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.comFrom: piemopolisyahoo (DOT) comDate: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I

practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input..

Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

[Guest guest]

When cows are first fresh they will have lots of udder edema, this will progressively go down in a few weeks. To start out, you don't want to milk her out all the way for the first few days, but it seems your past that. Milk her out like you would a goat. When you can't get anymore out she is done. A vacuum milker is a great tool, just expensive and a little more work to clean. Plus side to it is it is faster and cleaner milk. As far as the calf DO NOT open a big hole in the nipple, you will run the risk of drowning her with milk, When she is sucking and swallowing and there is to much flow milk can rush past the esophageal flap and in to the lungs causing high fever and respiratory problems. You can cut the slits in the nipple just a little, say an 1/8 inch each direction. Lots of the new nipples are very hard till they get broken in.

You may want to try a few different brands, some are softer then others. Also since the calf is not drinking make sure it doesn't get dehydrated, an easy way to check is pinch the skin on the side of the face, when you let go, if it remains wrinkled and doesn't smooth out quickly, she could be starting to dehydrate.

Subject: RE: first timeTo: rawdairy Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 5:27 PM

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. theydo not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the nipple in-Liz

To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.comFrom: piemopolisyahoo (DOT) comDate: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I

practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input..

Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

[Guest guest]

When cows are first fresh they will have lots of udder edema, this will progressively go down in a few weeks. To start out, you don't want to milk her out all the way for the first few days, but it seems your past that. Milk her out like you would a goat. When you can't get anymore out she is done. A vacuum milker is a great tool, just expensive and a little more work to clean. Plus side to it is it is faster and cleaner milk. As far as the calf DO NOT open a big hole in the nipple, you will run the risk of drowning her with milk, When she is sucking and swallowing and there is to much flow milk can rush past the esophageal flap and in to the lungs causing high fever and respiratory problems. You can cut the slits in the nipple just a little, say an 1/8 inch each direction. Lots of the new nipples are very hard till they get broken in.

You may want to try a few different brands, some are softer then others. Also since the calf is not drinking make sure it doesn't get dehydrated, an easy way to check is pinch the skin on the side of the face, when you let go, if it remains wrinkled and doesn't smooth out quickly, she could be starting to dehydrate.

Subject: RE: first timeTo: rawdairy Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 5:27 PM

I am a goat lady about 2 years new to cows- for one cows udder does not milk out like a goat udder. theydo not shrink. Do what you would with a kid that will not drink cut the nipple hole big make sure the milk is warm,andhave someone hold the calf. He will get the hang of it- have them suck your finger and slip the nipple in-Liz

To: RawDairy@yahoogroup s.comFrom: piemopolisyahoo (DOT) comDate: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:21:21 +0000Subject: first time

Hi all- our cow just calved yesterday and we are trying to get a hang of all this. I have had goats for awhile and havent had any problems milking. But with our jersey I cant seem to get it right. I can get the milk out okay but i cant tell when to stop. I milked two gallons out this am and she still felt like she had about 5 gallons left. She is grass fed only- no grain (she is fed hay ad lib) so we arent pushing her for production. Anyways- she also has low udder suspension and so the calf cant suckle. We are bottle feeding but I cant seem to get the calf to suck more than a few times. We finally gave up and had the vet do an esophageal feed. Any tips?? How long does it take typically to milk out a jersey. Her prev owner said she produced about 4 gallons a day. I was out there for an hour today and still she didnt feel empty.... I am thinking about getting an ezee milker because I

practically have to sit on the ground to milk due to her udder suspension being so low. Have any of you used one with success?Thanks for all your input..

Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!

[Guest guest]

I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

product was vinegary and no fizz.

I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

again not much fizz.

Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

Why no fizz?

Am I doing something wrong?

[Guest guest]

I am no expert, I just started homebrewing Kombucha Tea Feb 7 2010 but I did

a lot of research and am on couple of KT list. You are on the best list out

there!

For me I would use no-flavor KT (GT's Raw Organic Kombucha Tea). The 2nd

fermentation is what makes the fizz. And you usually add flavors when

bottling for 2nd fermentation.

I wish I can share with you a perfect recipe but there are so many

variations that some work some don't for different people. I see more

recipes for green and black tea but I have a starter going right now made

with White Tea and theres a beautiful SCOBY starting. I think this one is

going to be my favorite. I also made 3 starters made with Oolong Tea. I

also have one brewing with adopted SCOBY (from a good friend) that is going

extremely well. This same friend said it took him almost 4 months to make it

perfect! (I hope not true)

From: kombucha tea

[mailto:kombucha tea ] On Behalf Of Ellie

Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:11 AM

kombucha tea

Subject: First Time

I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

product was vinegary and no fizz.

I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

again not much fizz.

Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

Why no fizz?

Am I doing something wrong?

[Guest guest]

My first 3 batches didn't have fizz. And the scoby always went to the bottom.

The third time they went sideways instead of going to the bottom. Now, on the

4th and 5th batches, I've left all the babies in, and they all float on top,

including the original chunk I received from a friend. I am also now getting

some fizz after the first ferment, though not a huge amount. It only take a day

or two of the second ferment to bring up the fiz. I've enjoyed the flavoring

aspect of it too.

So from my limited experience, I'd say you're doing just fine. It'll just take

a bit more time and experimenting for your brew to be the way you want it to be.

Velma

kombucha tea

From: imjazzietoo@...

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 13:10:46 +0000

Subject: First Time

I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

product was vinegary and no fizz.

I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

again not much fizz.

Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

Why no fizz?

Am I doing something wrong?

[Guest guest]

Yes..i can so relate, the older scobies, have more what it takes to make a good

brew, but with patience,and time they are " growing up " Scobies, and mature, to

make a fizzy brew, even without second ferment, but i like second ferment for

further reducing sugar, and adding flavorings or remedies.. luv jahjet

>

> I am no expert, I just started homebrewing Kombucha Tea Feb 7 2010 but I did

> a lot of research and am on couple of KT list. You are on the best list out

> there!

>

> For me I would use no-flavor KT (GT's Raw Organic Kombucha Tea). The 2nd

> fermentation is what makes the fizz. And you usually add flavors when

> bottling for 2nd fermentation.

>

>

>

> I wish I can share with you a perfect recipe but there are so many

> variations that some work some don't for different people. I see more

> recipes for green and black tea but I have a starter going right now made

> with White Tea and theres a beautiful SCOBY starting. I think this one is

> going to be my favorite. I also made 3 starters made with Oolong Tea. I

> also have one brewing with adopted SCOBY (from a good friend) that is going

> extremely well. This same friend said it took him almost 4 months to make it

> perfect! (I hope not true)

>

>

>

> From: kombucha tea

> [mailto:kombucha tea ] On Behalf Of Ellie

> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:11 AM

> kombucha tea

> Subject: First Time

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

> Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

> product was vinegary and no fizz.

>

> I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

>

> February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

> jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

> bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

> fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

> again not much fizz.

>

> Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

>

> Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

>

> Why no fizz?

>

> Am I doing something wrong?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellie,

From what I understand, it is more the yeasts that make the fizz, so a

first or second brewing may not have much. I would imagine there isn't

a lot of live yeast left in a commercially bottled KT so it will

probably take a couple of cycles for the yeast to multiply enough for

fizz. Keep going and your yeasts should develop more, giving you more

fizz. Also, a thick scoby on top of your brew helps to hold in the fizz

more than a thin one. (One reason not to keep dividing up your scoby's

every time you brew.)

Unfortunately, as far as where the scoby's go in your KT, the mothers

can do whatever they want - float, sink, stand sideways, etc. A newly

forming scoby will always form at the top of your brew, but once it is

disturbed it can go anywhere. Once disturbed, it will not continue to

grow, but if it stays on top the next scoby formation can grow so as to

be pretty much connected to it - or not. As long as you have new

scoby's forming, it sounds like you are doing things right, you just

need a little patience if you want fizz in your batch right out of the jar.

Oh, and using at least some green tea in your KT is supposed to be

helpful for those wanting fizz - I use a mix of green and black if I am

only adding a quart more sweetened tea (1 tea bag per 2 cups of hot

water), or green, black and oolong when I am adding 6 cups. Although

now I am transitioning to loose tea for brewing, so won't be tied down

to tea bags.

Polly

Ellie wrote:

> I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

> Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

> product was vinegary and no fizz.

>

> I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

>

> February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

> jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

> bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

> fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

> again not much fizz.

>

> Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

>

> Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

>

> Why no fizz?

>

> Am I doing something wrong?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Polly..when using loose tea,do you brew a concentrate,and than add to water?

I find it easier.what do you think?

> > I made my first Scoby by using green tea, distilled water and GT's

> > Organic Raw Kombucha Gingerade. The Scoby grew fine, the finished

> > product was vinegary and no fizz.

> >

> > I used this Scoby along with liquid to start another batch.

> >

> > February 22 - cut original Scoby in six (6) pcs. placed in six (6) quart

> > jars along with sweetend organic black tea. The Scobies all fell to the

> > bottom of the jars. The babies started growing on top but have since

> > fell to the bottom. It has been nine (9) days, the tea taste good,

> > again not much fizz.

> >

> > Now some of the jars are growing another Scoby on top.

> >

> > Why did the orginial Scoby fall to the bottom and then the babies?

> >

> > Why no fizz?

> >

> > Am I doing something wrong?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LOL, I've only used loose once so far, Jahjet. I'm still using up the

tea bags I have but couldn't resist trying the loose once when I got

it. But I didn't do it concentrated then. I never have, so was just

doing what I was used to. Why do you feel it is easier?

Polly

Jahjet wrote:

> Hi, Polly..when using loose tea,do you brew a concentrate,and than add to

water? I find it easier.what do you think?

>

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