Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions

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Its about time. Forced integration was a bad thing. It is amusing that a society that claims to be colorblind would use measures like this and not simply make sure funding and teacher qualifications were equal in each school district.

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Its about time. Forced integration was a bad thing. It is amusing that a society that claims to be colorblind would use measures like this and not simply make sure funding and teacher qualifications were equal in each school district.

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>

simply

> make sure funding and teacher qualifications were equal in each

school

> district.

>

>

>

um the nation has always been blined by money and equality by offering

the same is never going to happen. that would threaten privilage and

might make people have to do more than breathe. Not all rich people are

good or bad but humanity needs better teachers

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In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:53:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mnmimi@... writes:

um the nation has always been blined by money and equality by offering the same is never going to happen. that would threaten privilage and might make people have to do more than breathe. Not all rich people are good or bad but humanity needs better teachers

The US has been blind to monetary equity in schools for some time. The national average per student spending is around $9,500. Many of the best performing school systems spend less than that. One of the highest spending in the US is Washington, DC, which spends something over $15,000 per student, but is practically last in terms of performance. There are many other factors in play, particularly parental involvement in education and just how valued education is.

Technically it is not the education system devalues education, but rather the legal system's laxity toward crime and the welfare system. If both of those were tightened up, then it would indeed be much harder for people to do nothing but breathe, and vote, for a living. Certain districts, like New Orleans, were so bad that well under 50% of murders were solved and the rates were lower for other crimes. Indeed, it was a wonder that they had to empty the jails before Katrina because so many criminals were allowed to walk the streets to begin with. Even around here, crime isn't overly controlled. We had a murder less then 100 yards from here on July 4, and last night around 1 AM from the same area, there were more gunshots. Didn't even bother to check the papers on that it happens so often.

What is sad about all this is that we have long been in an area where human capital is the most valuable asset. Adam was the first to put it to writing, that the true wealth of a nation isn't the gold piled in its vaults, but the people of the country. It is their efforts and labors that create the economy from which all else flows. In his day, that mostly meant the value of physical labor in the fields and factories where education helped, but wasn't entirely necessary, beyond apprenticeships and on the job training.

These days, human capital requires an education, if you want to get ahead. It may be a little overly valued in some cases, like the high college education requirements for some jobs which is silly in many cases (apprenticeships and on the job training could handle much of that, if the person had a basic college education). Even a trade training program like we used to have, to train people for the many blue collar jobs out there enhances human capital. If people choose not to get their education or training, then they are opting to have a low market value and will be treated accordingly in terms of hiring, etc.

It is just a shame that we have a system that actually encourages that. When I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my classes that said she was going to drop out of college as soon as she had her baby and go on welfare because it paid more than her minimum wage job (which would have only been temporary, wagewise, especially after she got her degree) and she could do what she wanted. She stopped coming to class about halfway through, so I guess she did it. Her choice, though it would be interesting to see what she is doing now.

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In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:53:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mnmimi@... writes:

um the nation has always been blined by money and equality by offering the same is never going to happen. that would threaten privilage and might make people have to do more than breathe. Not all rich people are good or bad but humanity needs better teachers

The US has been blind to monetary equity in schools for some time. The national average per student spending is around $9,500. Many of the best performing school systems spend less than that. One of the highest spending in the US is Washington, DC, which spends something over $15,000 per student, but is practically last in terms of performance. There are many other factors in play, particularly parental involvement in education and just how valued education is.

Technically it is not the education system devalues education, but rather the legal system's laxity toward crime and the welfare system. If both of those were tightened up, then it would indeed be much harder for people to do nothing but breathe, and vote, for a living. Certain districts, like New Orleans, were so bad that well under 50% of murders were solved and the rates were lower for other crimes. Indeed, it was a wonder that they had to empty the jails before Katrina because so many criminals were allowed to walk the streets to begin with. Even around here, crime isn't overly controlled. We had a murder less then 100 yards from here on July 4, and last night around 1 AM from the same area, there were more gunshots. Didn't even bother to check the papers on that it happens so often.

What is sad about all this is that we have long been in an area where human capital is the most valuable asset. Adam was the first to put it to writing, that the true wealth of a nation isn't the gold piled in its vaults, but the people of the country. It is their efforts and labors that create the economy from which all else flows. In his day, that mostly meant the value of physical labor in the fields and factories where education helped, but wasn't entirely necessary, beyond apprenticeships and on the job training.

These days, human capital requires an education, if you want to get ahead. It may be a little overly valued in some cases, like the high college education requirements for some jobs which is silly in many cases (apprenticeships and on the job training could handle much of that, if the person had a basic college education). Even a trade training program like we used to have, to train people for the many blue collar jobs out there enhances human capital. If people choose not to get their education or training, then they are opting to have a low market value and will be treated accordingly in terms of hiring, etc.

It is just a shame that we have a system that actually encourages that. When I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my classes that said she was going to drop out of college as soon as she had her baby and go on welfare because it paid more than her minimum wage job (which would have only been temporary, wagewise, especially after she got her degree) and she could do what she wanted. She stopped coming to class about halfway through, so I guess she did it. Her choice, though it would be interesting to see what she is doing now.

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In a message dated 7/18/2007 2:51:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes:

Perhaps she did not realise what a challenging job responsible parenting is - however irresponsible parenting is not difficult and there are plenty of examples of that about sadly :-(Also the cost of raising a child is by no means inexpensive.

She knew that if she went on welfare, she would get a free place to live, free food, free spending money, and more money per child. In her mind, that free money was of more value that getting an education.

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In a message dated 7/18/2007 2:51:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes:

Perhaps she did not realise what a challenging job responsible parenting is - however irresponsible parenting is not difficult and there are plenty of examples of that about sadly :-(Also the cost of raising a child is by no means inexpensive.

She knew that if she went on welfare, she would get a free place to live, free food, free spending money, and more money per child. In her mind, that free money was of more value that getting an education.

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" I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my

classes that said she was going to drop out of college as soon as she

had her baby and go on welfare because it paid more than her minimum

wage job (which would have only been temporary, wagewise, especially

after she got her degree) and she could do what she wanted. "

Perhaps she did not realise what a challenging job responsible

parenting is - however irresponsible parenting is not difficult and

there are plenty of examples of that about sadly :-(

Also the cost of raising a child is by no means inexpensive.

>

>

> In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:53:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> mnmimi@... writes:

>

> um the nation has always been blined by money and equality by

offering

> the same is never going to happen. that would threaten privilage

and

> might make people have to do more than breathe. Not all rich

people are

> good or bad but humanity needs better teachers

>

>

>

>

> The US has been blind to monetary equity in schools for some time.

The

> national average per student spending is around $9,500. Many of the

best

> performing school systems spend less than that. One of the highest

spending in the US

> is Washington, DC, which spends something over $15,000 per student,

but is

> practically last in terms of performance. There are many other

factors in play,

> particularly parental involvement in education and just how valued

education

> is.

>

> Technically it is not the education system devalues education, but

rather

> the legal system's laxity toward crime and the welfare system. If

both of those

> were tightened up, then it would indeed be much harder for people

to do

> nothing but breathe, and vote, for a living. Certain districts,

like New Orleans,

> were so bad that well under 50% of murders were solved and the

rates were

> lower for other crimes. Indeed, it was a wonder that they had to

empty the jails

> before Katrina because so many criminals were allowed to walk the

streets to

> begin with. Even around here, crime isn't overly controlled. We

had a murder

> less then 100 yards from here on July 4, and last night around 1

AM from the

> same area, there were more gunshots. Didn't even bother to check

the papers

> on that it happens so often.

>

> What is sad about all this is that we have long been in an area

where human

> capital is the most valuable asset. Adam was the first to put

it to

> writing, that the true wealth of a nation isn't the gold piled in

its vaults,

> but the people of the country. It is their efforts and labors that

create the

> economy from which all else flows. In his day, that mostly meant

the value of

> physical labor in the fields and factories where education helped,

but wasn't

> entirely necessary, beyond apprenticeships and on the job training.

>

> These days, human capital requires an education, if you want to get

ahead.

> It may be a little overly valued in some cases, like the high

college education

> requirements for some jobs which is silly in many cases

(apprenticeships and

> on the job training could handle much of that, if the person had a

basic

> college education). Even a trade training program like we used to

have, to train

> people for the many blue collar jobs out there enhances human

capital. If

> people choose not to get their education or training, then they

are opting to

> have a low market value and will be treated accordingly in terms

of hiring,

> etc.

>

> It is just a shame that we have a system that actually encourages

that. When

> I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my

classes that

> said she was going to drop out of college as soon as she had her

baby and go

> on welfare because it paid more than her minimum wage job (which

would have

> only been temporary, wagewise, especially after she got her

degree) and she

> could do what she wanted. She stopped coming to class about

halfway through, so

> I guess she did it. Her choice, though it would be interesting to

see what

> she is doing now.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> " I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my

> classes that said she was going to drop out of college as soon as she

> had her baby and go on welfare because it paid more than her minimum

> wage job (which would have only been temporary, wagewise, especially

> after she got her degree) and she could do what she wanted. "

Oh julie, i heard that so amny times in highschool, college and after

that I could go postal from the thoughts. Usually the speaked was a

bit loose and as an added bonus an alcoholic or pot or crack user. (I

am not talking about addiction) I am talking about casual destructive

use. some thought they could lose weight by taking speed(rather than

refraining) None were interested in school a job or professional life

of any kind. most simply could not concieve of the aging process and

were living in that moment. Some lost their babies to DSS, others

adopted out a drug addicted baby. it was ugly and scary, and hard to

find light in that tunnel. Sometimes looking back I am sort of blessed

to be here(my early years being something of a bad redition of 8 mile)

> Perhaps she did not realise what a challenging job responsible

> parenting is - however irresponsible parenting is not difficult and

> there are plenty of examples of that about sadly :-(

>

> Also the cost of raising a child is by no means inexpensive.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmm I didn't write the above bit (of the below) you quoted as

being wrote by me, did.

> >

> > " I was in college, there was a girl, a white girl, in one of my

> > classes that said she was going to drop out of college as soon as

she

> > had her baby and go on welfare because it paid more than her

minimum

> > wage job (which would have only been temporary, wagewise,

especially

> > after she got her degree) and she could do what she wanted. "

>

> Oh julie, i heard that so amny times in highschool, college and

after

> that I could go postal from the thoughts. Usually the speaked was

a

> bit loose and as an added bonus an alcoholic or pot or crack user.

(I

> am not talking about addiction) I am talking about casual

destructive

> use. some thought they could lose weight by taking speed(rather

than

> refraining) None were interested in school a job or professional

life

> of any kind. most simply could not concieve of the aging process

and

> were living in that moment. Some lost their babies to DSS, others

> adopted out a drug addicted baby. it was ugly and scary, and hard

to

> find light in that tunnel. Sometimes looking back I am sort of

blessed

> to be here(my early years being something of a bad redition of 8

mile)

>

>

> > Perhaps she did not realise what a challenging job responsible

> > parenting is - however irresponsible parenting is not difficult

and

> > there are plenty of examples of that about sadly :-(

> >

> > Also the cost of raising a child is by no means inexpensive.

> >

> >

>

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>

> Mmmmmm I didn't write the above bit (of the below) you quoted as

> being wrote by me, did.

>

>

>

whoops sorry. that sounding alike thing :0