Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 At 16:56 21.02.99 -0500, you wrote: >From: a Chisholm <alexa@...> > >I'd like to get rid of some parasites, but can't take a combination of >things. I can, however, take garlic. Why does garlic in pills make the >parasites fatter? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind this. > >a Because it is not as potent as fresh garlic. It is usually dried powder, and though it may kill some microscopic parasites and bacteria, it is not all around cure. As we do not know what we have inside, odds are some of the parasites could like eating garlic from the pills. Did you try Ultimate Fast. It works . Did you try Black Walnut tincture with wormwood and Cloves ? If you take too much of Black Walnut tincture or wormwood, it may give you a headache, and you may feel bad, but you have to start with a small dose, and get use to it. Those herbs are toxic for people and for parasites. As we are bigger, we can support more then parasites. But if taken every day for months , Wormwood may cause mental ilneses. It is a nerve poison. The best is to use it together with electric treatment. Then you do not need as much as what you would need if using only herbs: The best electric device is Dr. Bob Beck's Silver Pulser. If you can not affort Bob Becks Pulser improvise it yourself: Mouth and body sterilizer: -------------------------- All you need is : - One battery of 3V, or 4.5V or of 9V - Two isolated cables, each long 60 cm (24 inch) - something made of silver or Gold, small enough to put it in your mouth (gold or silver chain, neckless will do.) Take for example two neckelses. Connect each one with one cable. Put both neckleses in your mouth, one on the left side, one in the right side. Hold in your hands free ends of the two cables that are connected to the neckleses. Touch with your " left hand cable " " plus + " on the 4.5V battery, and in the same time with your right hand cable touch " minus - " . You will feel Electro shock. If it is too uncomfortable try with 3 V battery. What you have is simple electronic pulser. You should produce one or two pulses every second , and in less than a 2 hour your teeth will be totally sterile, and not only teeth but the biggest part of your body. If you switch your hands, once left on the " plus " , once right on the " plus " you will get something like AC with 1 Hz frequency (That is Bob Beck pulser.) . That is even more powerful than only DC pulser. If you are keeping one chain in your hand and one in your mouth, you can use 9V battery and sterilize your whole body. You can keep both chains in your hands, but then you may need to use 18V or 27 V. Don't do it if you are pregnant or having really bad heart ! If you do it for many hours, you can even kill the biggest worms- tapeworms. It is tested on children. It can cure sore trout or flu in less than 3 hours of treatment. But, when child get sick, I think it is better to let them go through this infection, because it helps cleansing body and it helps developing antibodies. Use it only in a special emergency. Forget antibiotics. It is also killing Viruses , yeasts, bacterias and protozoa. Antibiotics kill only bacterias, and not those one inside your teeth. Antibiotics also cause yeast infections to spread. Dusan Stojkovic Norway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 1999 Report Share Posted February 21, 1999 At 20:22 18.02.99 PST, you wrote: >Dusan, > >I truly enjoy your posts and look forward to them. I have Schistosoma >Japonicum along with a few smaller ones. Presently I cannot afford to >purchase any of the pulsers, although I could possible buy a zapper. My >concern is that a zapper will not kill a multicelled parasite. The device in the bottom of this page is much stronger then Zapper. > >I was trying to make sense of your previous post, because I am very >untechnical. My husband won't help because he is not a " believer " . >So, please bear with me for these elementary questions. > >For the homemade " electrical device " with the spoons, when you say >silver spoons, do you actually mean silver or will metal suffice? Use gold or silver neckless instead of spoons. >If I can manage to put this together, is this a suitable treatment along >with the herb approach? Oh yes, it is better together with herbs. > >Some of my teeth have a metal post inside because of root canal or crown >support. Can this be a problem with the current? No, that is not a problem. > >Also, I think I have sent you a post before regarding cleansing the >liver when there is no gall bladder. In 1968, it was considered a good >thing to remove the gall bladder. I had only one attack. Today, it >would be different. Now, an ultrasound says that my liver looks >unhealthy. Read this: http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/FAQ_pain_without_gallbaldder.html Read the story on the bottom of this page. > >So, what do you think? > >Looking forward to your reply > >Sandy Hello Sandy, Use parasites killing herbs together with electronic devices. It works better, and faster. Here is simple device thet you can try using without fear: Mouth and body sterilizer: -------------------------- All you need is : - One battery of 3V, or 4.5V or of 9V - Two isolated cables, each long 60 cm (24 inch) - something made of silver or Gold, small enough to put it in your mouth (gold or silver chain, neckless will do.) Take for example two neckelses. Connect each one with one cable. Put both neckleses in your mouth, one on the left side, one in the right side. Hold in your hands free ends of the two cables that are connected to the neckleses. Touch with your " left hand cable " " plus + " on the 4.5V battery, and in the same time with your right hand cable touch " minus - " . You will feel Electro shock. If it is too uncomfortable try with 3 V battery. What you have is simple electronic pulser. You should produce one or two pulses every second , and in less than a 2 hour your teeth will be totally sterile, and not only teeth but the biggest part of your body. If you switch your hands, once left on the " plus " , once right on the " plus " you will get something like AC with 1 Hz frequency (That is Bob Beck pulser.) . That is even more powerful than only DC pulser. If you are keeping one chain in your hand and one in your mouth, you can use 9V battery and sterilize your whole body. You can keep both chains in your hands, but then you may need to use 18V or 27 V. Don't do it if you are pregnant or having really bad heart ! If you do it for many hours, you can even kill the biggest worms- tapeworms. It is tested on children. It can cure sore trout or flu in less than 3 hours of treatment. But, when child get sick, I think it is better to let them go through this infection, because it helps cleansing body and it helps developing antibodies. Use it only in a special emergency. Forget antibiotics. It is also killing Viruses , yeasts, bacterias and protozoa. Antibiotics kill only bacterias, and not those one inside your teeth. Antibiotics also cause yeast infections to spread. ************************************************************ Dusan Stojkovic Norway Read also this : Letter from Chang posted to gallstonesonelist: Thanks for inviting me to join the gallstone mailing list. Here is my story. My name is Chang. I was born in Taiwan in 1942. I received my B.Sc. degree in chemistry from the Taiwan National University. I then came to Canada where I obtained my M.Sc. degree in chemistry from the University of Waterloo. I had worked for more than 6 years in the medical laboratory of the North York General Hospital in Toronto, Canada. I then started and ran a health food store for 6 years (1987-1993). Since 1991 I have been developing and manufacturing Chinese herbal products that address many chronic health problems. My health history: Being born the fourth daughter by a mother who never wanted to have any girl, my health problems started from as far as I can remember. The fact that I was emotionally very sensitive only made my suffering in health worse. Other than being underweight all my life, I had bad acnes and was allergic to many different plants and dust. Hives, rushes and unexplained swelling on my lymph glands happened frequently. At the age of eleven, I passed out first time in my life and was told by a medical doctor that I was born with a weak heart. At the age of fourteen, I was diagnosed with juvenile arthritis. There were days that I couldn't climb the staircase or hold a pen to write notes. However, I was still blessed with a photographic memory which I believe I was born with. Unfortunately, at 17 years old, I lost my photographic memory. At 20 years old, I could not remember details of textbook materials even after going through them. At 29 years old, shortly after my second child's birth, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Around the same time, I started having severe cramps during my periods and passed out many times during those years. Eventually, I was told I had uterine fibroids, ovarian cysts and endometriosis. I always needed a lot of sleep, but never felt refreshed. Dozing off in the class was my daily problems even after 10 hours of uninterupted night sleep. In my late 30's, I started having problems falling asleep. Dark shadows developed all over my facial skin and my skin also became very bumpy. At 45 years old, I left my regular job because of constant fatigue and sickness and started a health food store which provides opportunity to learn about different approaches to my health problems. It was a real struggle initially because I could pass out anytime and I had a couch in the basement for me to lie down whenever I felt weak. At 47 years old, I decided to see a traditional Chinese doctor for different opinions. He told me that I had badly congested liver and tried to treat my liver problems. Unfortunately, Chinese medicine does not understand hormones and he made my hormone imbalance worse. When I was growing up in Taiwan with regular use of Chinese herbs, I did not want to believe them because of my rebellious nature. After I realized that modern medicine could not help me because almost every drug is damaging to the liver, I had to go back to Chinese medicine. I studied intensively Chinese medicinal herbs (both ancient Chinese medical texts and more modern books) and decided to treat myself combining my knowledge in clinical chemistry, physiology and Chinese herbal medicine. I thought I should start with treating my liver first because after all it is the largest organ in our body and is the " general " or " chief of staff " of all organs according to Chinese medicine. I planned to treat my other problems one after another when my liver is fixed up. Unexpectedly, when my liver became healthy, all my other problems including constant fatigue, allergies, arthritis, heart palpitation, sleep disorders, fainting, frequent infections and all woman's problems disappeared. What a pleasant surprise! I restored my liver health by cleansing my liver, gallbladder and kidneys. I watched my diet carefully and do morning execise called Y-Dan which is a simple alternative to Tai-chi. I have since helped many people who have chronic health problems often by cleansing the liver and gallbladder. One of the most useful discoveries was use of the Chinese herb " Gold Coin Grass " (Herba Lysimachiae) to crush and soften the gallstones before flushing. Very often, relief from pain is experienced even before gallbladder flush. More details of my personal experience and my views on various chronic health problems may be found in my website: http://www.sensiblehealth.com Sincerely, Chang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 1999 Report Share Posted March 26, 1999 At 20:43 24.03.99 EST, you wrote: >I have a friend who has parasites under his skin-- you can even see them >move. >Does anyone have any information about this >thanks >sue Here are some possible causes: Filarial Nematodes Bancroft's Filarial Worm (Wuchereria bancroft) Brugi Malayi Visit the sites below, and have a nice trip to Africa :-) Dusan Stojkovic Biology and Epidemiology of Filarial Nematodes http://math.smith.edu/~sawlab/fgn/pnb/filbio.html Several species of filarial nematodes are known to infect humans. Not all cause disease but they include the causative agents of river blindness and elephantiasis. Wuchereria bancrofti Brugia malayi Brugia timori Onchocerca volvulus Loa loa Dracunculus medinensis Mansonella streptocerca Mansonella perstans Mansonella ozzardi Other filaria infecting humans (minor species) Wuchereria lewisi Brugia beaveri Brugia guyanensis Mansonella semiclarum Dipetalonema arbuta Dipetalonema sprenti Microfilaria bolivarensis Microfilaria (Mansonella) rodhaini ____________________________________ Info: _______________________________________________ Biology and Epidemiology of Filarial Nematodes http://math.smith.edu/~sawlab/fgn/pnb/filbio.html _____________________________________________________ Bancroft's Filarial Worm (Wuchereria bancroft) http://math.smith.edu/~sawlab/fgn/pnb/wuchban.html#bioandepid Distribution W. bancrofti is distributed throughout the tropical regions of Asia, Africa, China, the Pacific and isolated locations in the Americas. Current estimates (WHO, 1994) suggest that 100 million people are infected with lymphatic filariae of all types, and most of these cases are bancroftian filariasis. Nocturnally periodic forms occur indigenously in almost every tropical and subtropical country and are very widespread. However they show focal and periodic distribution patterns which are dependent on their vector of transmission. Culcicine (left) or anopheline (centre) mosquitoes are the main vectors of the nocturnally periodic forms of W. bancrofti, while day biting Aedes polynesiensis transmit the subperiodic form in various pacific islands (right) (map and pictures taken from s and Gilles 1991) (see HERE for some comments on periodicity) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Life Cycle: The third-stage infective larvae (L3i) enter the blood through the wound made by the mosquito. They then migrate to the nearest lymph gland where they mature into the thread like adult worms about 3 months to 1 year later. The average incubation time before patency is about 15 months. The mature adults can survive for 5 to 10 years and the damage of the lymphatic vessels they cause and the immune system's response to their presence (and that of microfilaria and newly innoculated L3i) can result in the various Once male (left) and female (right) nematodes mate the female viviparously produces microfilariae (first stage larvae or L1) which then move through the circulatory system and collect in arterioles of the lung during the day and emerge at night (if nocturnally periodic) when night biting mosquitoes are most active (see HERE for some comments on periodicity). Once the microfilariae have entered an appropriate mosquito host through its blood meal they penetrate the insect's gut wall and move to the thoracic muscles where they mature (through two life stages) into third-stage infective larvae (pictures taken from s and Gilles 1991). The microfilariae of W. bancrofti can be identified in blood smears by their sheath, size (280 x 7 micrometers), and the anterior V spot near the head and posterior V spot near the tail (picture taken from s and Gilles 1991). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Pathology Following infection with third stage larvae there is usually a period of vigorous immune response to the invading larvae. If the larvae are not cleared from the body during this period then the various pathologies associated with filarial infection can develop. Most of these conditions do not appear to arise from the effects of the nematodes themselves but from immune reactions to their presence. The most pronounced of these is the damage to the lymphatic vessels which is mediated by the immune system's response to the adult worms living in them. These immune responses (Lymphangitis) are characterized by inflammation of the affected area (which are usually extremities) and fever. Repeated episodes of lymphangitis lead to the formation of fibrous and calcified tissues (as seen in the X-ray below, picture taken from s and Gilles 1991) in and around the lymphatic vessels. ______________________________________________ Brugia malayi http://math.smith.edu/~sawlab/fgn/pnb/brugmal.html#bioandepid Distribution: The endemic range of Brugia malayi is confined to South and South-East Asia from India in the west to Korea in the east. LikeW. bancrofti its distribution is dependent on its mosquito vectors. The nocturnally periodic form is found in areas with rice fields and the nocturnally subperiodic form is found in rural villages and plantations along the lower reaches of major rivers in swamp forests (see HERE for some comments on periodicity). Partono has proposed the subdivision of B. malayi into zoophilic and anthropophilic strains. The former is transmissible to cats, monkeys, and laboratory gerbils ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Life Cycle: The life cycle of B. malayi is almost identical to that of Wuchereria bancrofti. However B. malayi is transmitted by different mosquito vectors in the Mansoniodes and Anopheles families. The microfilaria of B. malayi can be distinguished from those of W. bancrofti by the two isolated nuclei at the tip of the tail and the absence of nuclei in the cephalic spaces (picture taken from s and Gilles 1991) . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Pathology The clinical picture of B. malayi infection is somewhat different than that of W. bancrofti. The symptoms of Brugian filariasis begin earlier than those of Bancroftian filariasis, often within a month or less. Immune responses to the worms quickly lead to lymphoedema and swelling of the legs is a prominent early symptom. Bouts of fever and lymphangitis are common and often more frequent than those found in patents infected with W. bancrofti. Unlike bancroftian infection the lyphoedema in the legs is below the knees and in the arms below the elbows. Gross elephantiasis is very uncommon. However, when it does occur it generally develops more quickly in Brugian (1 to 2 years) than the Bancroftian (3 or more years) filariasis. The pictures below show both early (left) and late (right) stages of Brugian elephantiasis. __________________________________________ Schistosomiasis: Schistosoma hematobium Schistosoma mansoni Schistosoma japonicum __________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/schis/schis.htm Schistosomiasis: Fact Sheet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- What is schistosomiasis? (shis-to-so-mi'-uh-sis) Schistosomiasis (also known as " bilharzia " ) is a disease caused by parasitic worms. The major types that cause schistosomiasis in humans are Schistosoma mansoni, S. haematobium, and S. japonicum. The body's reaction to the eggs produced by these worms, and not the worms themselves, causes the symptoms of schistosomiasis. The disease is treatable. How is schistosomiasis spread? Persons get schistosomiasis when their skin comes in contact with contaminated fresh water in which certain types of snails are living. Fresh water becomes contaminated by Schistosoma eggs when infected people urinate or defecate in the water. The eggs hatch, and if certain types of snails are present in the water, the parasites grow and develop within the snails. When the parasites leave the snail, they can survive in water for about 48 hours. The parasites penetrate the skin of persons who have contact with this water, such as when they are wading, swimming, bathing, or washing. The parasites penetrate the skin, and, within several weeks, grow inside the blood vessels of the body and produce eggs. Some of these eggs get into the urinary bladder or intestines and are passed into the urine or feces. What are the symptoms of schistosomiasis? Within days after becoming infected, some people have a rash or itchy skin, and within a month or two, they may have fever, chills, cough, and muscle aches. Most people, however, have no symptoms at all in this early phase after infection. Usually the eggs of the parasite go to the liver or pass into the intestine or urinary bladder. Rarely, eggs are found in the brain or spinal cord and cause seizures, paralysis, or spinal cord inflammation. After many years of repeated infection, the parasite can damage the liver, intestines, lungs, or urinary bladder. Even without treatment, damage to these organs occurs only rarely in people such as travelers who have relatively short periods of exposure and who avoid reinfection. Who is at risk? Persons who live in or travel to areas where schistosomiasis occurs and who have skin contact with fresh water (rivers, streams, or lakes) are at risk of getting schistosomiasis. Areas of the world with schistosomiasis include Africa, some countries in Latin America (Brazil, Venezuela, and Surinam), parts of the Caribbean (Saint Lucia, Antigua, Montserrat, ique, Guadeloupe, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico), some countries in the Middle East, southern China, the Philippines, and Southeast Asia. In the last few years, CDC has received reports of schistosomiasis in U.S. citizens who went on river rafting trips in Africa, tourists who swam in contaminated waters, and Peace Corps volunteers and other persons who lived and had fresh water contact in areas where schistosomiasis is a problem. How can you prevent schistosomiasis? Because there is no easy way to know if water is contaminated, avoid swimming or wading in fresh water when you are in countries where schistosomiasis is known to occur. Swimming in the ocean and in chlorinated swimming pools is generally thought to be safe. Research is under way to develop a vaccine for humans, but none is available now. What should you do if you suspect that you have schistosomiasis? See your health care provider. Be sure to give a complete description of the time, place, and length of your exposure to fresh water while in parts of the world where schistosomiasis occurs. You might be asked to undergo stool or urine tests to detect the eggs of the parasite. A blood test developed at CDC is also available. This test may be useful for making the diagnosis, particularly in U.S. travelers returning from areas where schistosomiasis occurs. What is the treatment for schistosomiasis? Safe and effective drugs are available for treatment of schistosomiasis. 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Guest guest Posted May 3, 1999 Report Share Posted May 3, 1999 I appreciate Dr. Biamonte's expertise and information, but I think he needs to make it more available to help people rather than keep some of the information exclusive to his practice in New York, etc. or am I missing something? What is the spice he is talking about? The things we get in the mail that hint at cures and stuff annoy me. If they're so interested in our health, why don't they just tell us what will help?! There are too many people out there dying for lack of information. Get the information out! This baiting so you will buy things to get that special item of information bug me. Sometimes I get the books from the library they are advertising and look up the little tidbits they tout, and I think well, what was so great about that? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 1999 Report Share Posted May 3, 1999 P.S. Perhaps Dr. Biamonte's book " gets the information out " ? I wonder when it will be available and how much it will cost? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 1999 Report Share Posted May 5, 1999 I would really like to knoe how to be diagnosed with parasites or worms. Can anyone here tell me what type of Dr. or what type of test was run to determine that they do indeed have worms or parasites. I would really like to kow for sure myself. Thank You..Julee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 1999 Report Share Posted May 5, 1999 Julee,just about any doctor can give your stool sample to a lab and have it tested.The odds of finding anything in one sample are small,unless you have a bad case.To be precise,you would need one every day for a week and most doctors don't test but once in this country. Also,there are many parasites, you cannot even test for.I think most people just do a cleanse ,just like you clean the counter for germs.You cannot see them,but just in case they are there,you clean with a disinfectant. I'll tell you a story,in three different countries I got new parasites that my body was not use to, and I had real noticeable symptoms.By the way,I got tested for parasites and I did have them.It was their doctors first advice to test for them.Once I had a real high fever for days,another time diarrhea that never stoped,and once just a real change in bowel habits, but the people of the those countries had these parasites and they didn't react as severe as I did .They basically were use to them or just suffered with them. Sincerely Vicki Now, that I finally get my head together,I'going to get my body back. mailto:Vickie_@... Hep-B & C Oahu,Hawaii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 1999 Report Share Posted May 14, 1999 wrote: > > From: <jackson@...> > > I appreciate Dr. Biamonte's expertise and information, but I think he > needs to make it more available to help people rather than keep some of > the information exclusive to his practice in New York, etc. or am I > missing something? What is the spice he is talking about? The things > we get in the mail that hint at cures and stuff annoy me. If they're so > interested in our health, why don't they just tell us what will help?! > There are too many people out there dying for lack of information. Get > the information out! This baiting so you will buy things to get that > special item of information bug me. Sometimes I get the books from the > library they are advertising and look up the little tidbits they tout, > and I think well, what was so great about that? J. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Share the wealth! > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell a friend about ONElist's 130,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Web Sites: > http://home.sol.no/~dusan/bowel cleanse.html > http://www.prostate90.com/ > http://www.geocities.com/~dusan_s/ > http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 Hi, Has anyone followed up a parasite cleans (the Dr. one) with the recent recommendation to take a big dose of coQ10 and then ozonated olive oil and l-cysteine???? I'm on my maintenance program, but sometimes I think that I haven't got rid of all the parasites. Ozonation makes me nervous plus I don't know where I can get any ozonated olive oil. Like some other members of the list, I don't buy things on line and I haven't come across anything ozonated in an actual store. --joel _____________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 , Do you ozonate your own water? Is that the sort of ozonation that makes you nervous? edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 good lord! could it be that we all have these " worms " inside of us? i'am allergic to walnuts of any kind, what else can i use? bev maloy BIGRD@... Parasites > >From: Jomma@... > >HI all, >Sorry it took so long for me to get back with many of you. I made the >mistake of " overposting " on many different subjects and forums and I have >been smothered by responses. >A brief history .... >For almost 2 1/2 years I became suddenly very ill. My immunity was lowered >and I was plagued with every infection that was going around and had a >difficult time recovering, I had constant bladder infections, nose and throat >infections, chronic fatigue, constant constipation, bloating, weight gain, >depression, and hormonal problems, loss of hair pigmentation, dry skin, and >allergies. Twelve doctors later I was diagnosed with Polycystic Ovarian >Disease and suspected endometriosis. > >This disease has no real treatment (except fertility drugs and they were not >helping). Also, the polycystic ovary disease explained my hormonal problems, >but not the rest. After months of research, I discovered Candida. I treated >myself successfully (no sugar, low carbs and antifungal herbal supplements) >and felt great! >I had decided to eliminate sugar forever, but needed to get off of the herbs >and try and get pregnant. However, immediately my symptoms rebounded. I >discovered that many with reoccurring candida have an internal parasite >problem. I was skeptical >(I only drink bottled water and rarely eat meat). However, I went to the >local health food store and purchased the needed herbs to cleanse myself of >parasites. I did not use a prepackaged antiparasite cleanse. (though many >will testify that they work). >I purchased all herbs separately. > >Within a week and a half, things began to leave my body that were frightening! >Be warned....the following is not for the light hearted. > >The first thing I noticed (and it is important to look at your stool.....as >disgusting as they may seem initially, you get used to it. It is the only way >for you to discover if you are passing anything.) was a white spagetti >looking worm. This was shocking and over the next few days I witnessed two >more. A few days later I passed millions of small pinworms (barely visible >to the human eye). A day or so later, >I passed snail like parasites called flukes. These were the most tramatic >for me. >They look like snails and are 1 inch to 4 inches in length. The first one I >witnessed was clinging on to my stool for dear life and was close to 4 inches >in length. >This occurred in the middle of the night and for many days to follow, I found >myself clenching my buttocks......afraid that they may crawl out. I was very >fearful of going to the bathroom, but eventually my fears subsided and I was >glad to be free of those beasts!!! > >Here is the routine I followed for alittle over one month. > >Each morning on an empty stomach > >*Squeeze the juice of one lemon and drink it down. >*One tablespoon of minced garlic in olive oil. > > > Herbs >*Wormwood (liquid form) be careful, this is the most potent of herbs and also >the worst tasting ever!!! Please read directions and use accordingly! Do not >overtake this herb, it can be deadly in large doses. (Taken with small >amount of water, once a day) >*Black walnut hulls (One in morn/one at night) >*Olive leaf extract (one in morn/ one at night) >*Thyme (one in morn/ one at night) >*Ginger (one in morn/one at night) >*Grapefruit seed extract (liquid form, few drops in water twice daily) > >Eating pumpkin seeds and/or sunflower seeds first thing in the morning is >great! >I snacked on raw carrots, pumpkin and sunflower seeds all day long. Raw is >best! >Use cayenne pepper on everything. Pomegranates are also very antiparasitic >in property. Eating as much garlic and onion as possible is good, too. > >It is important to go to the bathroom atleast once a day. If you don't, your >body has dieing parasites spreading their poison in your body. Also most of >the herbs paralyze the bugs and if you don't pass them, they will stay and >recover in the bowels and then become really angry with you! I used a natural >fiber pill I purchased from the health food store and dranks gallons of >water! (Use fresh lemon in your water too!) > >I would suggest in the very beginning to do an enema twice the first week or >two. >A simple warm enema is good or if you like, add one or two of the above herbs >to your enema to help speed up your elimination process. > >A word or two of CAUTION. Many individuals who have a heavy parasite >infection have a tremendous die off reaction. I believe my initial >elimination diet and candida supplements help ward off a serious dieoff >reaction during my parasite cleanse. I felt tired, sleepy , had minor skin >eruptions, felt queasy at times and noticed cramping. These are good signs >that your body is killing ridding itself of parasites. Enemas will help wash >out the dieing parasites and toxins, which help in turn to relieve alot of >dieoff symptoms. However! If your dieoff reaction becomes intense.....it is >best to start slowly and eliminate some of the herbs from your diet for a >while. > >I do not mean to scared anyone, but a few people I have talked to have had >intense reactions. One actually coughed up a worm (Yickes!!) and another >felt like they were biting and fighting back. I was fortunate NOT to have >such severe reactions. In a case like that I would seek medical attention >immediately! >I am not a doctor and am only giving advice on what worked for me. >Please use herbs with caution and common sense. Read directions and if you >have any underlying disorder that require medication, seek advice from a >doctor before beginning a this type of program. Herbs can affect other >medications! > >If you have any other questions....please email me privately. > >Five months later, I have NOT been sick again, I am exercising, feel younger >than I have in years, and am free from all symptoms. I have given up sugar >entirely. > >A big misconception is that a parasite infection is rare, actually it is rare >for you NOT to have some parasite (microscopic or otherwise) living inside >you bowels. >I plan on doing a parasite cleanse once a year and am much more cautious >about handling and eating foods!! > > >Good Reading...... " The Parasite Menace " Skye Weintraub >Hope this helps! > >Jeanne Marie >Jomma@... > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Campaign 2000 is here! > >Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 How do I get ahold of Great Smokies? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 1999 Report Share Posted December 18, 1999 In a message dated 12/18/99 14:27:25, mui@... writes: << The herbal cleanse that I've been doing is more a colon cleanse rather than a parasite cleanse. As of this morning, I have started a parasite cleanse program which includes black walnut extract, wormwood, grapeseed extract, pau d'arco and garlic>>. What is the name of the cleanse you are using and where did you get it? Is it grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? It appears to be missing cloves, which are a fundamental component of most antiparasitic programs. According to Dr. Hulda , freshly ground cloves (which can be bought as " supplements " in gels) are the only thing that actually kill parasites within the egg. (You are expelling eggs, she is talking about killing the unhatched worms inside). <<My main concern at the moment is this: OK, it's good that I'm passing the eggs, but what about the adults? Will they eventually be expelled in the stool alive, too? Or is the strategy to kill them by starvation of carbohydrates? Part of the strategy is to starve them, part of it is to kill them and part of it is to expel them. There are actually TWO classes of antiparasitic herbs--antihelminth and vermifuge. Antihelminth kills the worms inside the body by producing substances toxic to their biochemistry. Vermifuge drive the worms out of the body, they flush them out. Eventually the adults will come out. Unless they are already coming out--you may think you are seeing eggs when actually they are small worms themselves. I understand you said they are perfectly round but frankly who knows? There are thousands of these types of creatures. <<I also don't understand how the herbs mentioned about actually help to eliminate the parasites. Does anybody know by what mechanism these herbs work? I don't understand it either. But Hulda e explained how the three components of her remedy worked at different stages of the life cycle. Cloves for the eggs, then I believe it was green black walnut for the larva and wormwood for the adults. These are the most popular antiparasitc remedies, along with pumpkin seeds. Someone on this list said something about wormwood being toxic to humans but did not respond to my inquiry about why. There may be something to this as wormwood is NOT an ingredient ofof the best antiparasitic programs, the AWARENESS CORPORATION's. However I and others find wormwood extremely helpful. I am on Awareness products and they are very beneficial. I was taking it with wormwood and then I stopped the wormwood and noticed the Awareness products were less effective without it so I resumed. Then there are remedies as common as garlic and as exotic as neem and black seed which I never even heard of before I got infected. As far as the actual mechanism goes, I'm really just more concerned with what works. You seem to have a good mind for this kind of thing and no doubt you will shortly understand more about the mechanisms than I do. There is lots of information available on web searches on the Net. <<Presumably the worms are in my intestines? If so, does it mean that these herbs are still viable by the time they reach the intestines? Yes, of course. First of all, absorption and assimilation of food occurs directly into the small intestine. Second of all, herbs are used widely to reach all areas of the body. They travel through the blood like food does. They are very powerful. >I have already noticed a decrease in number of the eggs. There are still a few specks around but definitely getting less now. I sure hope that this is because by body is getting rid of most of them, rather than the creatures having built a resistance to it. Surely they couldn't have developed a resistance in less than a week? This is a sticky wicket. The decrease could be due to either reason. When I first began treating my condition every product I took worked full blast for a few days, then gradually decreased in effectiveness. (Only AWARENESS products taken in very large doses seem to hold their own over time). On the other hand, if you've been lucky and managed to get your infection in its early stages, or if you are otherwise very healthy, you might just be getting rid of them. My infection was very advanced by the time I diagnosed it plus I had been neglecting my health previously due to emotional problems. So my body was a mess, making it harder for me to treat. Another factor you have to be aware of is the cyclical factor. The worms have hatchings every couple of weeks or so. Even if you did absolutely NOTHING you would have times of greater or lesser presence of the creatures and/or eggs, both in the way you feel, in the amount of abdominal bloating, and also in your stools. Nevertheless in general you will be able to tell whether your products are working for you by how you FEEL over time, your mood, your energy, your skin tone, also the amount of bloating, your elimination, etc. Not by what is in your stools. <<Also, does anyone know how long I would have to be on the anti-parasites program? I've heard that you need to stay on the program for a while even after the disppearance of strange-looking stuff in your stool. Anti-parasitic programs generally last two to three months. Then you go on a maintenance program, which is a lesser dosage, for several months to make sure there are no survivors. Remember, all it takes is ONE female, ONE remaining surviving pregnant female hiding somewhere, and before you know it you could have thousands of them again. In my case because the infection was so advanced when I began treating it, I have had to be on the actual program for longer than three months. And I intend to stay on maintenance for a very long time. The reason my diagnosis came so late was because, as I told you, I'd been neglecting (or rather abusing) my health previously, including smoking. When I quit smoking I got these symptoms and confused them with smoking withdrawal symptoms--weight gain, anxiety, etc. It was an unfortunate coincidence. > It sounds like you too have had worms in the past. If what strategy did you use successfully to get rid of them? I use a combination of AWARENESS products with Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combination and other products in rotation, along with a regular series of colonic irrigations. Bob on this list is an expert on Awareness products. He does not believe in mixing them with other products because of the " synergy " between the Awareness products themselves, but I do mix them. I have recently discovered a company called Planta Amica in New York City that was formed by an MD, Dr. Bueno. He has a whole line of antiparastics. He was known to be the foremost MD treating parasites in NYC before he retired. The herbs are sold by Hickey Chemists in New York and no doubt elsewhere. The problem is you have to know--loosely speaking--what type of worm you have--roundworm, pinworm, tapeworm, before you can buy them because they are narrow spectrum and type-specific (unlike say Clear or Kroeger which kill pretty much anything--though tapeworm can be very resistant). Ascertaining what type of worm you have can be difficult if you're only seeing eggs or what you think are eggs, because lab tests are notoriously unreliable. But the best lab test is by Great Smokies Lab. You can reach them at cs@... and they will mail you (by " snail mail " ) a list of doctors in your area using their facility. Unfortunately these doctors may well be prohibitively expensive. And so are Bueno's herbs! $52 for 60 capsules! Actually Awareness products are very expensive too. Pumpkin seeds are definitely cheaper. (And by the way so is Hanna Kroeger at $7 per bottle of 90 wormwood combo). You have to see what works for you. I doubt your case is as resistant as mine. You don't have nearly the same amount of hellish symptoms I did. Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 1999 Report Share Posted December 18, 1999 Robin Thank you very much for your informative reply. When I first saw the parasite eggs I was horrified. I felt invaded. But in the last two days I have calmed down and have come to accept that I have a problem and I need to sort it out. The herbal cleanse that I've been doing is more a colon cleanse rather than a parasite cleanse. As of this morning, I have started a parasite cleanse program which includes black walnut extract, wormwood, grapeseed extract, pau d'arco and garlic. My main concern at the moment is this: OK, it's good that I'm passing the eggs, but what about the adults? Will they eventually be expelled in the stool alive, too? Or is the strategy to kill them by starvation of carbohydrates? I also don't understand how the herbs mentioned about actually help to eliminate the parasites. Does anybody know by what mechanism these herbs work? Presumably the worms are in my intestines? If so, does it mean that these herbs are still viable by the time they reach the intestines? > Since your sighting of the (presumably) eggs occured four days after you > began your cleanse, it sounds like you are doing the right thing and > expelling them. The cleanse you are doing might be enough. However you > should be aware that often a product kicks in very potently at first and then > the creatures develop a resistance to it. You have to prepare by educating > yourself on the topic so you will be ready should you need a stronger, more > specific, rotation-based, or more multi-pronged approach. I recommend you > begin with the parasites page at /home.sol.no/~dusan/ , and of course, with > this list. I have already noticed a decrease in number of the eggs. There are still a few specks around but definitely getting less now. I sure hope that this is because by body is getting rid of most of them, rather than the creatures having built a resistance to it. Surely they couldn't have developed a resistance in less than a week? Also, does anyone know how long I would have to be on the anti-parasites program? I've heard that you need to stay on the program for a while even after the disppearance of strange-looking stuff in your stool. > Of course no one can make a diagnosis by e-mail and least of all me. I am > hardly a doctor. But from my by this point somewhat extensive and > unfortunately all too intimate knowledge of this topic, I have to risk saying > this: I think you're right. It sounds like you have worms. > Good luck. You have been really helpful. It sounds like you too have had worms in the past. If what strategy did you use successfully to get rid of them? Thanks again for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 1999 Report Share Posted December 18, 1999 >From: " Mui Tsun " <mui@...> >I also don't understand how the herbs mentioned about actually help to >eliminate the parasites. Does anybody know by what mechanism these >herbs work? Presumably the worms are in my intestines? If so, does it >mean that these herbs are still viable by the time they reach the >intestines? The herbs create an environment that the parasites do not like. This eventually weakens them and lowers their energy to the point where they can't stay any longer and are expelled or forced out. The herbs will be viable when they reach your intestines. There may also be parasites in other parts of the body and the herbs may be effective in reaching there also. >Also, does anyone know how long I would have to be on the anti-parasites >program? I've heard that you need to stay on the program for a while even >after the disppearance of strange-looking stuff in your stool. It can be a while. First you have to get them out, then you have to consider how to avoid their introduction again. This could be a change in eating habits, diet and a maintenance dose of herbs. If you are colon cleansing there may be dormant eggs that are uncovered during the cleanse, the eggs when exposed can (will) hatch. I look at it as a longer term goal of inner body health. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 1999 Report Share Posted December 21, 1999 Hi all Thanks to all those who have responded to my original post. As I mentioned I started my anti-parasite herbs on Saturday. You are right Robin, there does seem to be a natural pattern for the presence of the eggs. There were a couple of days when I saw only very few specks, but the past two days there have been a lot more. I have seen a few strange-looking things but, aside from the eggs, I have not been able to positively identified anything as 'worms'. To me that is the most frustrating aspect - the inability to decide whether the herbs are working. I know I'm passing out loads of eggs, but wouldn't they naturally be expelled anyway? I mean, presumably this is the natural way the parasites spread themselves, by passing their eggs outside of the host and infecting new individuals? Robin, did you use to have abdominal bloating like I do? I just want to know whether I'll see light at the end of the tunnel regarding my enormously bloated stomach. I realise that this is going to be a long battle and I'm determined to fight till the end to be healthy. Have a very happy Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 1999 Report Share Posted December 21, 1999 There are two robins, I'm robin 2, Yes, I did and I still do. The only time it went down was last christmas. It was wonderful because I stuck to the diet for a week, and was taking herbs etc. Within three days I saw a difference, by the end of 7 days it was flat. I have NEVER had a flat stomache since I can remember. I am 5 feet 2 and weight 115 pounds, and at the time my bloating often made me look like i was 5 months pregnant. i had a pot belly. ? > > Robin, did you use to have abdominal bloating like I > do? I just want to > know whether I'll see light at the end of the tunnel > regarding my enormously > bloated stomach. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 1999 Report Share Posted December 22, 1999 On 21 Dec 99, at 20:20, Mui Tsun wrote: > As I mentioned I started my anti-parasite herbs on Saturday. You are > right Robin, there does seem to be a natural pattern for the presence > I realise that this is going to be a long battle and I'm determined to > fight till the end to be healthy. Unfortunately, it will be a neverending battle, if you do not learn about how to prevent reinfection. (I´m not saying this to shock you or anyone else on the list, I am just stating the facts, and this fact is almost never mentioned on the list.) But IF you learn about how to prevent reinfection, and of course then use the knowledge, the battle will be over in some weeks! For instance, if you use the Hulda parasite programs, ALL parasites will be gone in six weeks maximum. There are no exceptions. Best regards, Ulf ulftage@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 1999 Report Share Posted December 22, 1999 On 20 Dec 99, at 15:16, SchefferO@... wrote: > Hello, I am a new subscriber. I have a very bad infestation of > parasites and candida that have been a battle for many years now. In > trying everything from Drs to alternative healers and " killer " > parasite herbs have achieved minumal success. The crucial question here is, what measures did you take to prevent reinfection. There is much talk here about which anti-parasite herbs to use and such things but this is actually of secondary importance. All the most popular anti-parasite programs probably work fine, but only if the person takes the measures needed to prevent reinfection. I can give some hints about how to prevent reinfection, if there is interest in this. Last time I took up this question, there was unfortunately no interest. Best regards, Ulf ulftage@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 1999 Report Share Posted December 22, 1999 At 07:42 AM 22/12/1999 +0200, you wrote: >From: " Ulf Hogberg " <ulftage@...> >I can give some hints about how to prevent reinfection, if there is >interest in this. Last time I took up this question, there was >unfortunately no interest. > > >Best regards, Ulf >ulftage@... I would like to know more about preventing reinfection, please go on. Thanks, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 1999 Report Share Posted December 22, 1999 In a message dated 12/22/99 06:42:34, ulftage@... writes: << I can give some hints about how to prevent reinfection, if there is interest in this. Last time I took up this question, there was unfortunately no interest. >> Of course there is interest in preventing reinfection. I'm sure I speak for the ten or twelve of us who are bouncing back and forth like yo yos trying to figure out how to get through the final stages of parasitic infection once and for all, having tried many different things. I'm sure the interest could only be described as AVID. So please divulge. Thanks Ulf. Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 1999 Report Share Posted December 24, 1999 On 22 Dec 99, at 0:02, Bob Stirling wrote: > I would like to know more about preventing reinfection, please go on. Nice to hear that. This is a large subject, plus it is Christmas :-), so there will probably be a delay of some days before I get the time to put together the information. Best regards, Ulf ulftage@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 1999 Report Share Posted December 25, 1999 In a message dated 12/20/99 20:17:42, SchefferO@... writes: << My next venture will be to try Hulda s " zapper " . Has anyone tried this? Any sucess? >> I have never tried the zapper. I had heard from one source that it's not that effective. But I too would like to hear other people's opinions. About your condition, you say that on one cleanse you produced two massive " skeletal systems " of worms. Have you done that particular cleanse again? It sounds like it works for you. Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 1999 Report Share Posted December 25, 1999 Hi Robin: I bought the zapper along with a zillion other things. It helps and I felt I had more energy. It wasn't that effective. Maybe if I used it more it would have worked. I was zapping twice a day. JULIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 1999 Report Share Posted December 25, 1999 In a message dated 12/21/99 20:22:45, mui@... writes: << I have seen a few strange-looking things but, aside from the eggs, I have not been able to positively identified anything as 'worms'.>> Do you use a stick to break up the feces to check what's inside? You can't tell just from the outside. << To me that is the most frustrating aspect - the inability to decide whether the herbs are working. I know I'm passing out loads of eggs, but wouldn't they naturally be expelled anyway? I mean, presumably this is the natural way the parasites spread themselves, by passing their eggs outside of the host and infecting new individuals?>> No, parasites mainly spread themselves by finding a single host and colonizing it. Thousands and thousands of them take up residence deep inside of you and they don't like to move outside. They can be spread because some few of them happen to get expelled in your feces and then say you don't wash well after " wiping " and you shake someone's hand, or particularly if a food handler neglects to wash. But actually relatively few parasites or eggs will come out in your feces until you start cleansing and using anti-parasitic herbs. They like to burrow deep inside of you and anyway normally can't take root in a colon that is eliminately properly in a free-flowing way, there's too much flushing out. So they take root in a stagnant colon and then they colonize the miles and miles of GI tract inside of you, there is plenty of room for them, and sometimes move on to other parts of your body. They like the dark and like to stay inside. That's why you saw the eggs only after you started your cleanse, and that's why, for all the human to human transmission that can and does exist, the main way of transmitting worms remains eating infected and improperly cooked meat or improperly washed vegetables (they burrow in the dark warm earth the way they burrow in your dark warm colon). The fact that they burrow so deep within a stagnant colon and do not like to come out unless you push them through herbs and cleanses is one of the reasons why testing is so difficult. They simply don't appear in the stool samples, which consist of the most superficial layer of elimination while the stagnant stuff deeper inside harbors the bulk of them. (The other reason the tests are unreliable is because they just haven't identified all types and don't know what to look for). <<Robin, did you use to have abdominal bloating like I do? I just want to know whether I'll see light at the end of the tunnel regarding my enormously bloated stomach.>> Most of the people on this list probably have suffered from intermittent bloating, or we wouldn't have needed to go on the list. I went up two dress sizes in a period of a few weeks with this infection, attributing it to quitting smoking, which was a grievous error--it allowed the bugs to proliferate without my tackling them. Getting bigger was really a shame because I am a clotheshorse and couldn't wear my wardrobe. Finally I went down a size and now I am ALMOST at a point where I can wear most of my clothing again. But this is really the least of it. You really shouldn't think so much about what you look like, or about what your stools like like. This can be very misleading. Some herbs will bloat you too, die-off can bloat you. You could have a terrible infestation and your stools could be worm-free because the worms just aren't leaving. Or you could have many many worms in your stool because you're making a breakthrough. You should tune more into how you feel. This is the main way you will be able to tell whether the herbs are working. And even here it's very subtle, you have to be careful. Die-off (healing crisis) can make you feel temporarily horrible. You have to tune into the overall arc of how you feel over time. <<I realise that this is going to be a long battle and I'm determined to fight till the end to be healthy. >> Let's wait and see what Ulf has to say about preventing reinfection. Maybe it's shorter than we think. Happy holidays. Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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