Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 In message <hv2tnv+eg3keGroups> you wrote: > From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. Yes, , that is a good description. Depending on length of fermentation the brew can also turn out more or less acidic - it depends really what flavour you want it to be for yourself. I've never ever used ph strips. IMO, they are a waste of money. My tastebuds have proofed to be utterly adequate for the job of tasting and determining when a brew is ready for harvesting. > So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color > and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would > be proud. Woah! I love a bit of imagination! :-) 's enstein brew will soon be famous in the neighbourhood!? ;-) > I figure that everyone has their own recipes. Although I try out different teas (camellia sinensis) white, green, black and oolong I mostly do a tea mix with predominantly green teas, and have = found Earl Grey imparting an especially delicious fruity flavour in most of my mixes. Bubbles are always a sign of vigorous yeast activity which is good. It is, however, necessary to curtail the yeast (get rid of the yeast deposit on the bottom of your fermentation jar) at bottling time. I am a batch brewer, so have no experience with continuous brewing. I imagine, even with continuous brewing - after drawing off KT, you would sometimes have to 'weed out' the yeast on the bottom of the container. In warm weather, yeast can romp away and spoil the flavour of your KT - unless you are into yeasty-sour ale flavours. ;-) Your brew sounds delectable. May it remain that way! kombuchaly, Margret in UK Kombucha-land;-) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk/family/scobygrow/home.html http://bavarianminstrel.wordpress.com creation.com Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. (Ps.51:10) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 In message <hv2tnv+eg3keGroups> you wrote: > From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. Yes, , that is a good description. Depending on length of fermentation the brew can also turn out more or less acidic - it depends really what flavour you want it to be for yourself. I've never ever used ph strips. IMO, they are a waste of money. My tastebuds have proofed to be utterly adequate for the job of tasting and determining when a brew is ready for harvesting. > So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color > and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would > be proud. Woah! I love a bit of imagination! :-) 's enstein brew will soon be famous in the neighbourhood!? ;-) > I figure that everyone has their own recipes. Although I try out different teas (camellia sinensis) white, green, black and oolong I mostly do a tea mix with predominantly green teas, and have = found Earl Grey imparting an especially delicious fruity flavour in most of my mixes. Bubbles are always a sign of vigorous yeast activity which is good. It is, however, necessary to curtail the yeast (get rid of the yeast deposit on the bottom of your fermentation jar) at bottling time. I am a batch brewer, so have no experience with continuous brewing. I imagine, even with continuous brewing - after drawing off KT, you would sometimes have to 'weed out' the yeast on the bottom of the container. In warm weather, yeast can romp away and spoil the flavour of your KT - unless you are into yeasty-sour ale flavours. ;-) Your brew sounds delectable. May it remain that way! kombuchaly, Margret in UK Kombucha-land;-) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk/family/scobygrow/home.html http://bavarianminstrel.wordpress.com creation.com Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. (Ps.51:10) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) However ... What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? " The defence rests yer 'Onner. " . (UK) ________________________________ From: rmetz40 <metzrbh3@...> kombucha tea Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 16:33:19 Subject: Another Newby Question First I wanted to say Thank You to all of the great responces and wonderful greetings that I have received. Also, I am so lucky to have found such a mix of info and food for thought, from the group. My question is, for a newby KT brewer is testing the KT's " PH " the best way to achieve what KT is really suppost to taste like? From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. My first batch did taste like this and it was a wonderful light golden color. I received my tea with my scoby. So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would be proud. I figure that everyone has their own recipes. And until a newby gains a little knowledge of what it should taste like. Is testing the ph the best way to know for sure? Also, I am trying to work out making mine with a continuous brew of KT. I have it in a 2 1/2 gallon wide mouth jar. Do any of you have a favorite recipe you might want to share? Right know I have black tea and green. And so far I liked the lighter green tea flavor, I cheated and gave my black tea a small test yesterday and it still has around five days to go. But that thing is making bubbles like crazy. Again, thank you all in advance. Well Wishes, Metz ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) However ... What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? " The defence rests yer 'Onner. " . (UK) ________________________________ From: rmetz40 <metzrbh3@...> kombucha tea Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 16:33:19 Subject: Another Newby Question First I wanted to say Thank You to all of the great responces and wonderful greetings that I have received. Also, I am so lucky to have found such a mix of info and food for thought, from the group. My question is, for a newby KT brewer is testing the KT's " PH " the best way to achieve what KT is really suppost to taste like? From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. My first batch did taste like this and it was a wonderful light golden color. I received my tea with my scoby. So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would be proud. I figure that everyone has their own recipes. And until a newby gains a little knowledge of what it should taste like. Is testing the ph the best way to know for sure? Also, I am trying to work out making mine with a continuous brew of KT. I have it in a 2 1/2 gallon wide mouth jar. Do any of you have a favorite recipe you might want to share? Right know I have black tea and green. And so far I liked the lighter green tea flavor, I cheated and gave my black tea a small test yesterday and it still has around five days to go. But that thing is making bubbles like crazy. Again, thank you all in advance. Well Wishes, Metz ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > However ... > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? Not with a weak acid -- o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > However ... > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? Not with a weak acid -- o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Appreciate the point . I figured my taste could figure it out. But, surely there is a ph number that has to be reached with all of the products on the market. I just didn't know if there was a standard that these companies stick to. Is there not a healthy point with KT to reach so it works better or does it not matter? Once the scoby is introduced it just becomes the magical beverage? I mean " time " is usually the thing that makes things better, but if you apply time to KT you get vinegar. Thanks again for all of the helpful info and great conversation. Well Wishes > > First I wanted to say Thank You to all of the great responces and wonderful greetings that I have received. > Also, I am so lucky to have found such a mix of info and food for thought, from the group. > > My question is, for a newby KT brewer is testing the KT's " PH " the best way to achieve what KT is really suppost to taste like? From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. My first batch did taste like this and it was a wonderful light golden color. I received my tea with my scoby. So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would be proud. > I figure that everyone has their own recipes. And until a newby gains a little knowledge of what it should taste like. Is testing the ph the best way to know for sure? > > Also, I am trying to work out making mine with a continuous brew of KT. I have it in a 2 1/2 gallon wide mouth jar. Do any of you have a favorite recipe you might want to share? Right know I have black tea and green. And so far I liked the lighter green tea flavor, I cheated and gave my black tea a small test yesterday and it still has around five days to go. But that thing is making bubbles like crazy. > > Again, thank you all in advance. > > Well Wishes, > Metz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Appreciate the point . I figured my taste could figure it out. But, surely there is a ph number that has to be reached with all of the products on the market. I just didn't know if there was a standard that these companies stick to. Is there not a healthy point with KT to reach so it works better or does it not matter? Once the scoby is introduced it just becomes the magical beverage? I mean " time " is usually the thing that makes things better, but if you apply time to KT you get vinegar. Thanks again for all of the helpful info and great conversation. Well Wishes > > First I wanted to say Thank You to all of the great responces and wonderful greetings that I have received. > Also, I am so lucky to have found such a mix of info and food for thought, from the group. > > My question is, for a newby KT brewer is testing the KT's " PH " the best way to achieve what KT is really suppost to taste like? From what I have read it is to be like a apple cider with a vinegar smell. My first batch did taste like this and it was a wonderful light golden color. I received my tea with my scoby. So, now my own batch I used black tea and it is of coarse dark in color and fizzing away like it has a heart of it's own. Dr. enstein would be proud. > I figure that everyone has their own recipes. And until a newby gains a little knowledge of what it should taste like. Is testing the ph the best way to know for sure? > > Also, I am trying to work out making mine with a continuous brew of KT. I have it in a 2 1/2 gallon wide mouth jar. Do any of you have a favorite recipe you might want to share? Right know I have black tea and green. And so far I liked the lighter green tea flavor, I cheated and gave my black tea a small test yesterday and it still has around five days to go. But that thing is making bubbles like crazy. > > Again, thank you all in advance. > > Well Wishes, > Metz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. . (UK) From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> kombucha tea Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 Subject: Re: Another Newby Question Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > However ... > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? Not with a weak acid -- o ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I give up. Can't get the point over. Put it down to the language barrier. . ________________________________ From: o Sebastiano Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 22:19:23 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I give up. Can't get the point over. Put it down to the language barrier. . ________________________________ From: o Sebastiano Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 22:19:23 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I get your point, . What I think I'm hearing is what's the point of brewing to a specific PH you've been TOLD to brew it too if you can't stand the taste of it. I have a friend who said she liked her KT years ago brewed extremely tart, and took it like a shot. I got the shivers just thinking of it! I like it at that neither tart nor sweet stage, and then love to flavour it. (Though mine is a bit on the yeasty side again, so I'll be cleaning out my brewing container and taking the oldest scoby off the bottom.) I'm a firm believer that the taste we like is the one our body needs. Warmly, Velma kombucha tea From: brainnake@... Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:32:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Another Newby Question I give up. Can't get the point over. Put it down to the language barrier. . ________________________________ From: o Sebastiano Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 22:19:23 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I get your point, . What I think I'm hearing is what's the point of brewing to a specific PH you've been TOLD to brew it too if you can't stand the taste of it. I have a friend who said she liked her KT years ago brewed extremely tart, and took it like a shot. I got the shivers just thinking of it! I like it at that neither tart nor sweet stage, and then love to flavour it. (Though mine is a bit on the yeasty side again, so I'll be cleaning out my brewing container and taking the oldest scoby off the bottom.) I'm a firm believer that the taste we like is the one our body needs. Warmly, Velma kombucha tea From: brainnake@... Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:32:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Another Newby Question I give up. Can't get the point over. Put it down to the language barrier. . ________________________________ From: o Sebastiano Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 22:19:23 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Exactly! . (UK) ________________________________ From: Velma Gallant Sent: Mon, 14 June, 2010 2:05:35 I get your point, . What I think I'm hearing is what's the point of brewing to a specific PH you've been TOLD to brew it too if you can't stand the taste of it. I have a friend who said she liked her KT years ago brewed extremely tart, and took it like a shot. I got the shivers just thinking of it! I like it at that neither tart nor sweet stage, and then love to flavour it. (Though mine is a bit on the yeasty side again, so I'll be cleaning out my brewing container and taking the oldest scoby off the bottom.) I'm a firm believer that the taste we like is the one our body needs. Warmly, Velma I give up. Can't get the point over. Put it down to the language barrier. . ________________________________ From: o Sebastiano Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 22:19:23 KT needs that PH for the colony to remain healthy. Otherwise you would get mold on it. There is no KT with a 7 PH That's kombucha Bye, o Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > It matters not one tittle or jot, the case still holds .... > Why brew to 11.5pH if you cannot stand 9.00. > I KNOW I'm picking the alkaline pH side of the scale (which KT is not) . > The point is ... Why bother with a specific pH if it gets you a taste your tongue cannot enjoy and you personally cannot abide the taste of? Taste being entirely personal. > . > (UK) > > > From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...> > kombucha tea > Sent: Sun, 13 June, 2010 21:57:00 > Subject: Re: Another Newby Question > > Il giorno dom, 13/06/2010 alle 19.43 +0000, Kane ha scritto: > > I'd say your tongue would be the best pH tester. > > I haven't a clue what pH it ought to be (Pick a number) > > However ... > > What on earth is the point of testing to achieve a pH of, say, 3.5 when your palate shrivels and your teeth curl at pH 4.5? > > Not with a weak acid > > -- > o > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 In message <28568.62392.qm@...> you wrote: > Exactly! > . > I'm a firm believer that the taste we like is the one our body needs. > > Warmly, > > Velma ....and as I give my thumbs up, we form a powerful Threesome - by the word of 2 or 3 witnesses shall everything be established. :-) (2 Corinthians 13:1b) So, we got a case! I'm trying to imagine the Kombucha ancients messing about with litmus paper! ;-) simply kombuchaly Margret:-) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk/family/scobygrow/home.html http://bavarianminstrel.wordpress.com creation.com The TRUTH will set you free ( 8:32) Die Wahrheit wird dich freisetzen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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