Re: I need to do something differently...

[Guest guest]

That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase the

question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you eat/

overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

immediately before you eat?

Hope that helps!

Hang in there!

Jantje

P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at 's

website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only when

starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be helpful but

maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage Self-Sabotage " /Conflict

resolution guided journey was the most important step (at least until now).

>

> I'm a 47 y/o male who weighs about 206lbs at 5' 7 " . I should weigh anywhere

from 149 to 165. If I could get down to 170 or 175, I'd probably be *ecstatic*!

I've been listening to the podcasts, and I'm not able to make any connection. I

don't see *any* benefit to being overweight, and I don't understand what kind of

" gift " this is. Even when I'm at home eating healthier food, I tend to overeat.

I wasn't always overweight, but I can't come up with any event/reason/crisis to

explain why I started. Logically, I can admit that I don't NEED to eat as much

as I do. But, I don't know why I continue to do so. What am I missing?

>

> Eldred

>

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean.... I don't get a benefit from being overweight. But I

do get lots of benefits from overeating. The " being overweight " part is the

part I hate. It's the immediate " feel better in the moment " gift I give

myself all the time.

Patti

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

>

>

> That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase

> the question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you

> eat/ overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

> immediately before you eat?

>

> Hope that helps!

>

> Hang in there!

>

> Jantje

>

> P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at

> 's website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only

> when starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be

> helpful but maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage

> Self-Sabotage " /Conflict resolution guided journey was the most important

> step (at least until now).

>

>

> >

> > I'm a 47 y/o male who weighs about 206lbs at 5' 7 " . I should weigh

> anywhere from 149 to 165. If I could get down to 170 or 175, I'd probably be

> *ecstatic*! I've been listening to the podcasts, and I'm not able to make

> any connection. I don't see *any* benefit to being overweight, and I don't

> understand what kind of " gift " this is. Even when I'm at home eating

> healthier food, I tend to overeat. I wasn't always overweight, but I can't

> come up with any event/reason/crisis to explain why I started. Logically, I

> can admit that I don't NEED to eat as much as I do. But, I don't know why I

> continue to do so. What am I missing?

> >

> > Eldred

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase the

question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you eat/

overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

immediately before you eat?

>

I couldn't tell you what the positive intent is in my case. I know I

need food to live, so THAT'S a positive. But I also know that I don't

need quite this much.

Sometimes I eat because 'it's meal time'. Sometimes because I know I

won't *have* time later. But that just explains sustenance, not

stuffing myself.. I don't really have any specific feeling right

after I eat.

>

> P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at 's

website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only when

starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be helpful but

maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage Self-Sabotage " /Conflict

resolution guided journey was the most important step (at least until now).

>

Yeah, I usually know when I've had enough, but it doesn't always stop

me. F'rinstance, I just heated up some pizza snacks. I'm not hungry

at all, but I'm popping them into my mouth. Truthfully, I seldom stop

eating long enough to GET hungry...

Eldred

--

The bad news is, time flies. The good news is, you're the pilot.

- Altshuler

[Guest guest]

Hello Eldred,

I often find myself snacking just to keep awake or aware. Particularly in the

eve (or at work). By the time I realize what I am doing the damage is done...

However, I usually succeeded in staying awake - that would be my positive

intent. I have lately taken to turning to gum - it gives me the chewing along

with a touch of flavor - when at home I've been trying to switch to going

on-line instead of eating. That's how I came across this group. I think I

definitely traded up.

Hang in there. I understand how hard it can be to try and see the positive in

something that seems so negative but keep looking. I have no doubt it will come

to you. Possibly when you least expect it.

Take care of you,

On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Eldred Pickett <epickett@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> > That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase

the question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you eat/

overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

immediately before you eat?

> >

>

> I couldn't tell you what the positive intent is in my case. I know I

> need food to live, so THAT'S a positive. But I also know that I don't

> need quite this much.

> Sometimes I eat because 'it's meal time'. Sometimes because I know I

> won't *have* time later. But that just explains sustenance, not

> stuffing myself.. I don't really have any specific feeling right

> after I eat.

>

> >

> > P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at

's website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only when

starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be helpful but

maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage Self-Sabotage " /Conflict

resolution guided journey was the most important step (at least until now).

> >

>

> Yeah, I usually know when I've had enough, but it doesn't always stop

> me. F'rinstance, I just heated up some pizza snacks. I'm not hungry

> at all, but I'm popping them into my mouth. Truthfully, I seldom stop

> eating long enough to GET hungry...

>

> Eldred

> --

> The bad news is, time flies. The good news is, you're the pilot.

> - Altshuler

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Eldred,

I often find myself snacking just to keep awake or aware. Particularly in the

eve (or at work). By the time I realize what I am doing the damage is done...

However, I usually succeeded in staying awake - that would be my positive

intent. I have lately taken to turning to gum - it gives me the chewing along

with a touch of flavor - when at home I've been trying to switch to going

on-line instead of eating. That's how I came across this group. I think I

definitely traded up.

Hang in there. I understand how hard it can be to try and see the positive in

something that seems so negative but keep looking. I have no doubt it will come

to you. Possibly when you least expect it.

Take care of you,

On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Eldred Pickett <epickett@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> > That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase

the question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you eat/

overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

immediately before you eat?

> >

>

> I couldn't tell you what the positive intent is in my case. I know I

> need food to live, so THAT'S a positive. But I also know that I don't

> need quite this much.

> Sometimes I eat because 'it's meal time'. Sometimes because I know I

> won't *have* time later. But that just explains sustenance, not

> stuffing myself.. I don't really have any specific feeling right

> after I eat.

>

> >

> > P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at

's website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only when

starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be helpful but

maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage Self-Sabotage " /Conflict

resolution guided journey was the most important step (at least until now).

> >

>

> Yeah, I usually know when I've had enough, but it doesn't always stop

> me. F'rinstance, I just heated up some pizza snacks. I'm not hungry

> at all, but I'm popping them into my mouth. Truthfully, I seldom stop

> eating long enough to GET hungry...

>

> Eldred

> --

> The bad news is, time flies. The good news is, you're the pilot.

> - Altshuler

>

[Guest guest]

Truthfully, I seldom stop

> eating long enough to GET hungry...

Why is that? Is the thought of hunger emotionally charged for you? Is it just a

matter of habit? Hunger is really a very important part of this approach. For

years, hunger was not a factor in my food choices. That has dramatically

changed. For the first few weeks/months with IOWL, I focused on that: Do I feel

hungry enough to eat? Time didn't matter as much, if I wasn't hungry for lunch I

might not eat until 3 or 4 PM. Now, I have learned to read my body's signals

better and I can eat enough to be hungry again for the next meal. What a

revelation when it occurred to me that, although breakfast is important, it

might not always be the same amount. Not quite as hungry this morning? Maybe 3

tablespoons of unsweetend muesli with are enough. Still hungry? Okay, another

tablespoon...

Still learning, though. Haven't been on the scale for a while but I have been

exercising a lot and have done much better in the food department, so I feel

that my clothes fit better. Yay!

The most amazing thing happened to me the other day: I had a craving for

something sweet or at least starchy when I was at work and walked to the

convenience store around the corner. When I got there I noticed that I wasn't

really hungry at all, felt almost annoyed thinking about having something to eat

and left the store without buying anything. That has almost never happened

before!

I hope that you will find a way to unlock the reasons for your overeating. you

wouldn't do it if you didn't have a good reason. I was using food in many

different situations and it took me a while to realize what I was doing and why

I was doing it. For example, I am still associating food with fun and good

times. So, this is a limiting belief I am working on.

Hope it helps! Don't give up, you have found and this group for a reason.

And I know that we can live our lives in a naturally slender way!

Jantje

> > That was my first reaction, too. And that of a friend. I had to re-phrase

the question into: What is the positive intent behind eating? Why do you eat/

overeat? How does it make you feel? And, especially, what do you feel

immediately before you eat?

> >

>

> I couldn't tell you what the positive intent is in my case. I know I

> need food to live, so THAT'S a positive. But I also know that I don't

> need quite this much.

> Sometimes I eat because 'it's meal time'. Sometimes because I know I

> won't *have* time later. But that just explains sustenance, not

> stuffing myself.. I don't really have any specific feeling right

> after I eat.

>

>

> >

> > P.S.: The appetite adjuster is a guided journey available for sale at

's website. It is designed to help with your appetite levels, not only when

starting to eat, but also to know when you had enough. It might be helpful but

maybe that is not your main issue. For me, the " Sabotage Self-Sabotage " /Conflict

resolution guided journey was the most important step (at least until now).

> >

>

> Yeah, I usually know when I've had enough, but it doesn't always stop

> me. F'rinstance, I just heated up some pizza snacks. I'm not hungry

> at all, but I'm popping them into my mouth.

>

> Eldred

> --

> The bad news is, time flies. The good news is, you're the pilot.

> - Altshuler

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:40 AM, <kristinglatz@...> wrote:

> Hello Eldred,

>

>

> I often find myself snacking just to keep awake or aware. Particularly in the

eve (or at work). By the time I realize what I am doing the damage is done...

However, I usually succeeded in staying awake - that would be my positive

intent.  I have lately taken to turning to gum - it gives me the chewing along

with a touch of flavor - when at home I've been trying to switch to going

on-line instead of eating. That's how I came across this group. I think I

definitely traded up.

> Hang in there. I understand how hard it can be to try and see the positive in

something that seems so negative but keep looking. I have no doubt it will come

to you. Possibly when you least expect it.

> Take care of you,

>

>

I don't snack to keep awake at home or work, but I've done it on my

commute before. I have a 63 mile one-way commute, so drowsiness is a

real issue. My big addiction now is Pop-Tarts. I can't stand chewing

gum, though. That's one of those things that I did as a child, but

don't like now.

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:40 AM, <kristinglatz@...> wrote:

> Hello Eldred,

>

>

> I often find myself snacking just to keep awake or aware. Particularly in the

eve (or at work). By the time I realize what I am doing the damage is done...

However, I usually succeeded in staying awake - that would be my positive

intent.  I have lately taken to turning to gum - it gives me the chewing along

with a touch of flavor - when at home I've been trying to switch to going

on-line instead of eating. That's how I came across this group. I think I

definitely traded up.

> Hang in there. I understand how hard it can be to try and see the positive in

something that seems so negative but keep looking. I have no doubt it will come

to you. Possibly when you least expect it.

> Take care of you,

>

>

I don't snack to keep awake at home or work, but I've done it on my

commute before. I have a 63 mile one-way commute, so drowsiness is a

real issue. My big addiction now is Pop-Tarts. I can't stand chewing

gum, though. That's one of those things that I did as a child, but

don't like now.

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> Truthfully, I seldom stop

>> eating long enough to GET hungry...

> Why is that? Is the thought of hunger emotionally charged for you? Is it just

a matter of habit? Hunger is really a very important part of this approach. For

years, hunger was not a factor in my food choices. That has dramatically

changed. For the first few weeks/months with IOWL, I focused on that: Do I feel

hungry enough to eat? Time didn't matter as much, if I wasn't hungry for lunch I

might not eat until 3 or 4 PM. Now, I have learned to read my body's signals

better and I can eat enough to be hungry again for the next meal. What a

revelation when it occurred to me that, although breakfast is important, it

might not always be the same amount. Not quite as hungry this morning? Maybe 3

tablespoons of unsweetend muesli with are enough. Still hungry? Okay, another

tablespoon...

>

That doesn't even *sound* appetizing...

No, I don't think hunger is emotionally charged. I don't know why it

*would* be. We always had enough to eat when I was a kid. I can't

think of anything that's changed in the past 20 or so years that would

make me want to keep eating.

> Still learning, though. Haven't been on the scale for a while but I have been

exercising a lot and have done much better in the food department, so I feel

that my clothes fit better. Yay!

>

I need to exercise as well. I even signed up for a couple of 5K races

in the next month, thinking that would motivate me(definite goal).

But, haven't done any training yet.

> The most amazing thing happened to me the other day: I had a craving for

something sweet or at least starchy when I was at work and walked to the

convenience store around the corner. When I got there I noticed that I wasn't

really hungry at all, felt almost annoyed thinking about having something to eat

and left the store without buying anything. That has almost never happened

before!

>

> I hope that you will find a way to unlock the reasons for your overeating. you

wouldn't do it if you didn't have a good reason. I was using food in many

different situations and it took me a while to realize what I was doing and why

I was doing it. For example, I am still associating food with fun and good

times. So, this is a limiting belief I am working on.

>

I can't recall *any* association, good or bad, no memories of people

associated with food. In other words, I'm not seeing any good reason

to overeat. I have an addictive personality, but I wish I could get

addicted to NOT eating somehow...

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.

You seem pretty sure that you don't have a positive intent beyond the need to

eat for fuel. You're not eating because of memory/associations. Not because of

emotions.

So maybe the something different that you need to do is to focus on the eating

habits, rather than the eating motivations?

Where do you eat? If you usually eat in the living room, focus on eating at the

table for a while. If you eat standing (like me!), sit. If you eat from the bag,

focus on measuring out a serving size (refer to the package), put the package

away, then sit to eat. At this point, I wouldn't even worry about not letting

yourself have more--but putting the food away first will at least slow you down

enough so you can ask yourself if it's time to stop.

Adding an extra step--like getting a plate--can help by making you just a little

more mindful about the fact that you're eating. If you get halfway through and

realize you didn't get a plate, don't beat yourself up--just stop and get a

plate. Again, this might be enough of a pause for you to decide whether you're

ready to stop.

If none of this seems like it would work, well, at least you've crossed a few

possibliities off your list. :-)

PS: you have great signatures!

________________________________

From: Eldred Pickett <epickett@...>

weightloss

Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 5:25:48 AM

Subject: Re: Re: I need to do something differently...

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> Truthfully, I seldom stop

>> eating long enough to GET hungry...

> Why is that? Is the thought of hunger emotionally charged for you? Is it just

a

>matter of habit? Hunger is really a very important part of this approach. For

>years, hunger was not a factor in my food choices. That has dramatically

>changed. For the first few weeks/months with IOWL, I focused on that: Do I feel

>hungry enough to eat? Time didn't matter as much, if I wasn't hungry for lunch

I

>might not eat until 3 or 4 PM. Now, I have learned to read my body's signals

>better and I can eat enough to be hungry again for the next meal. What a

>revelation when it occurred to me that, although breakfast is important, it

>might not always be the same amount. Not quite as hungry this morning? Maybe 3

>tablespoons of unsweetend muesli with are enough. Still hungry? Okay, another

>tablespoon...

>

That doesn't even *sound* appetizing...

No, I don't think hunger is emotionally charged. I don't know why it

*would* be. We always had enough to eat when I was a kid. I can't

think of anything that's changed in the past 20 or so years that would

make me want to keep eating.

> Still learning, though. Haven't been on the scale for a while but I have been

>exercising a lot and have done much better in the food department, so I feel

>that my clothes fit better. Yay!

>

I need to exercise as well. I even signed up for a couple of 5K races

in the next month, thinking that would motivate me(definite goal).

But, haven't done any training yet.

> The most amazing thing happened to me the other day: I had a craving for

>something sweet or at least starchy when I was at work and walked to the

>convenience store around the corner. When I got there I noticed that I wasn't

>really hungry at all, felt almost annoyed thinking about having something to

eat

>and left the store without buying anything. That has almost never happened

>before!

>

> I hope that you will find a way to unlock the reasons for your overeating. you

>wouldn't do it if you didn't have a good reason. I was using food in many

>different situations and it took me a while to realize what I was doing and why

>I was doing it. For example, I am still associating food with fun and good

>times. So, this is a limiting belief I am working on.

>

I can't recall *any* association, good or bad, no memories of people

associated with food. In other words, I'm not seeing any good reason

to overeat. I have an addictive personality, but I wish I could get

addicted to NOT eating somehow...

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.

You seem pretty sure that you don't have a positive intent beyond the need to

eat for fuel. You're not eating because of memory/associations. Not because of

emotions.

So maybe the something different that you need to do is to focus on the eating

habits, rather than the eating motivations?

Where do you eat? If you usually eat in the living room, focus on eating at the

table for a while. If you eat standing (like me!), sit. If you eat from the bag,

focus on measuring out a serving size (refer to the package), put the package

away, then sit to eat. At this point, I wouldn't even worry about not letting

yourself have more--but putting the food away first will at least slow you down

enough so you can ask yourself if it's time to stop.

Adding an extra step--like getting a plate--can help by making you just a little

more mindful about the fact that you're eating. If you get halfway through and

realize you didn't get a plate, don't beat yourself up--just stop and get a

plate. Again, this might be enough of a pause for you to decide whether you're

ready to stop.

If none of this seems like it would work, well, at least you've crossed a few

possibliities off your list. :-)

PS: you have great signatures!

________________________________

From: Eldred Pickett <epickett@...>

weightloss

Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 5:25:48 AM

Subject: Re: Re: I need to do something differently...

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> Truthfully, I seldom stop

>> eating long enough to GET hungry...

> Why is that? Is the thought of hunger emotionally charged for you? Is it just

a

>matter of habit? Hunger is really a very important part of this approach. For

>years, hunger was not a factor in my food choices. That has dramatically

>changed. For the first few weeks/months with IOWL, I focused on that: Do I feel

>hungry enough to eat? Time didn't matter as much, if I wasn't hungry for lunch

I

>might not eat until 3 or 4 PM. Now, I have learned to read my body's signals

>better and I can eat enough to be hungry again for the next meal. What a

>revelation when it occurred to me that, although breakfast is important, it

>might not always be the same amount. Not quite as hungry this morning? Maybe 3

>tablespoons of unsweetend muesli with are enough. Still hungry? Okay, another

>tablespoon...

>

That doesn't even *sound* appetizing...

No, I don't think hunger is emotionally charged. I don't know why it

*would* be. We always had enough to eat when I was a kid. I can't

think of anything that's changed in the past 20 or so years that would

make me want to keep eating.

> Still learning, though. Haven't been on the scale for a while but I have been

>exercising a lot and have done much better in the food department, so I feel

>that my clothes fit better. Yay!

>

I need to exercise as well. I even signed up for a couple of 5K races

in the next month, thinking that would motivate me(definite goal).

But, haven't done any training yet.

> The most amazing thing happened to me the other day: I had a craving for

>something sweet or at least starchy when I was at work and walked to the

>convenience store around the corner. When I got there I noticed that I wasn't

>really hungry at all, felt almost annoyed thinking about having something to

eat

>and left the store without buying anything. That has almost never happened

>before!

>

> I hope that you will find a way to unlock the reasons for your overeating. you

>wouldn't do it if you didn't have a good reason. I was using food in many

>different situations and it took me a while to realize what I was doing and why

>I was doing it. For example, I am still associating food with fun and good

>times. So, this is a limiting belief I am working on.

>

I can't recall *any* association, good or bad, no memories of people

associated with food. In other words, I'm not seeing any good reason

to overeat. I have an addictive personality, but I wish I could get

addicted to NOT eating somehow...

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

When it comes to the reasons to overeating, maybe is right. Observing the

situations when you overeat could be a good start. You have a long commute. Do

you eat while driving? Maybe sipping water could help.

I tend to turn on the TV when I am sitting down for a meal. Listening to the

radio was a good alternative that kept me entertained (I live alone) while I am

still registering and focusing on the food. In the last couple of episodes,

went over the assumptions that will make you thin. It is worth listening

to, even if you are not quite caught up with the episodes. In this series, she

lays out the basic beliefs that are the foundation for her method. The first one

is: There is a positive intent underlying every action.

But maybe what you need right now, instead of wrecking your brain about what it

could possibly be, is to forgive yourself. Cut yourself some slack and focus on

the positive. Are you keeping a success journal? That definitely worked wonders

for me. Also, rating your hunger before and after you eat. Just do it for a

while, maybe a pattern will emerge that can help you with the next steps.

Continued success on our journey!

Jantje

P.S.: Regarding the muesli: I used to live in Switzerland and learned to love

it. Especially when it's prepared with fresh fruit it's yummy! But it might be

an acquired taste...!

> > Truthfully, I seldom stop

> >> eating long enough to GET hungry...

> > Why is that? Is the thought of hunger emotionally charged for you? Is it

just a matter of habit? Hunger is really a very important part of this approach.

For years, hunger was not a factor in my food choices. That has dramatically

changed. For the first few weeks/months with IOWL, I focused on that: Do I feel

hungry enough to eat? Time didn't matter as much, if I wasn't hungry for lunch I

might not eat until 3 or 4 PM. Now, I have learned to read my body's signals

better and I can eat enough to be hungry again for the next meal. What a

revelation when it occurred to me that, although breakfast is important, it

might not always be the same amount. Not quite as hungry this morning? Maybe 3

tablespoons of unsweetend muesli with are enough. Still hungry? Okay, another

tablespoon...

> >

>

> That doesn't even *sound* appetizing...

>

> No, I don't think hunger is emotionally charged. I don't know why it

> *would* be. We always had enough to eat when I was a kid. I can't

> think of anything that's changed in the past 20 or so years that would

> make me want to keep eating.

>

> > Still learning, though. Haven't been on the scale for a while but I have

been exercising a lot and have done much better in the food department, so I

feel that my clothes fit better. Yay!

> >

>

> I need to exercise as well. I even signed up for a couple of 5K races

> in the next month, thinking that would motivate me(definite goal).

> But, haven't done any training yet.

>

> > The most amazing thing happened to me the other day: I had a craving for

something sweet or at least starchy when I was at work and walked to the

convenience store around the corner. When I got there I noticed that I wasn't

really hungry at all, felt almost annoyed thinking about having something to eat

and left the store without buying anything. That has almost never happened

before!

> >

> > I hope that you will find a way to unlock the reasons for your overeating.

you wouldn't do it if you didn't have a good reason. I was using food in many

different situations and it took me a while to realize what I was doing and why

I was doing it. For example, I am still associating food with fun and good

times. So, this is a limiting belief I am working on.

> >

>

> I can't recall *any* association, good or bad, no memories of people

> associated with food. In other words, I'm not seeing any good reason

> to overeat. I have an addictive personality, but I wish I could get

> addicted to NOT eating somehow...

>

> Eldred

> --

> Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

> make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

> stock clerk.

> -- J.C. Penney

>

[Guest guest]

63 miles?!? Holy commute, batman! Are you on a train or driving? My mom

used to cross stitch on the train to and from work. if in your car.. then

I'd listen to podcasts.

[Guest guest]

I used to think I didn't eat emotionally. Now I realize that oh yeah,

that is why I overeat.

Some times I feel like my first instinct is to deny and then I slowly let

the idea in and then question it.. and then realize it might be so.

(I must annoy the crap out of those around me.. hehehehe)

[Guest guest]

Eldred,

have you ever been at your 'should weigh " of 149 - 165?

or even at your ecstatic weight of 170 or 175? 

If so was it something your worked to get to (lost weight before)?

or something you had for a long period of time and something happened (medical,

physical, psychological, etc.) that caused you to eat more)?

I think 's advice of just starting to weight / measure, being mindful of

where you are, what you are doing when you eat & making eating a single task

(you're not watching TV, not driving & eating,e tc.) may help getting you to

recognize patterns (much easier for me to overeat when the serving dish is still

sitting on the table when I'm done with my plate, much easier to eat too much

when I'm watching tv or sitting at the computer, have a couple of friends who

overeat and when I eat with them - see myself doing the same thing!) are

patterns I've seen in myself.  If I'm aware of them, it's easier to tackle or

make changes.

You can also change some of your choices (lower calorie versions of bread, cuts

of meat, non-fat milk, etc.) to help get the calorie counts down, using the

calories for when they make a difference for you (I don't care whether it's 2%

or non-fat milk or yogurt, but I love dense, fiber full bread and prefer to

spend calories there instead of dairy). 

 

________________________________

From: EldredP <epickett@...>

weightloss

Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 8:20:06 AM

Subject: I need to do something differently...

 

I'm a 47 y/o male who weighs about 206lbs at 5' 7 " . I should weigh anywhere from

149 to 165. If I could get down to 170 or 175, I'd probably be *ecstatic*! I've

been listening to the podcasts, and I'm not able to make any connection. I don't

see *any* benefit to being overweight, and I don't understand what kind of

" gift " this is. Even when I'm at home eating healthier food, I tend to overeat.

I wasn't always overweight, but I can't come up with any event/reason/crisis to

explain why I started. Logically, I can admit that I don't NEED to eat as much

as I do. But, I don't know why I continue to do so. What am I missing?

Eldred

[Guest guest]

>

> Hmmm.

>

> You seem pretty sure that you don't have a positive intent beyond the need to

> eat for fuel. You're not eating because of memory/associations. Not because of

> emotions.

>

> So maybe the something different that you need to do is to focus on the eating

> habits, rather than the eating motivations?

>

> Where do you eat? If you usually eat in the living room, focus on eating at

the

> table for a while. If you eat standing (like me!), sit. If you eat from the

bag,

> focus on measuring out a serving size (refer to the package), put the package

> away, then sit to eat. At this point, I wouldn't even worry about not letting

> yourself have more--but putting the food away first will at least slow you

down

> enough so you can ask yourself if it's time to stop.

>

I usually eat while I'm working on my computer, or while watching TV. I usually

eat from a plate, very seldom eat from the bag. Well, I don't get chips or

cookies very often anyway. That's all I would consider 'bag' food.

My dining room table is usually covered with stuff from my hobbies. But to be

truthful, sitting down at the table would be BORING. I'd want to get back to

whatever I was doing as soon as possible.

> Adding an extra step--like getting a plate--can help by making you just a

little

> more mindful about the fact that you're eating. If you get halfway through and

> realize you didn't get a plate, don't beat yourself up--just stop and get a

> plate. Again, this might be enough of a pause for you to decide whether you're

> ready to stop.

>

> If none of this seems like it would work, well, at least you've crossed a few

> possibliities off your list. :-)

Yeah, I'm looking for any answer that helps.

>

>

>

> PS: you have great signatures!

>

Thanks!

Eldred

[Guest guest]

>

> 63 miles?!? Holy commute, batman! Are you on a train or driving? My mom

> used to cross stitch on the train to and from work. if in your car.. then

> I'd listen to podcasts.

>

Driving. I've listened to music and podcasts. That's how I heard about the

theory of there being a 'benefit' to being overweight...

Eldred

[Guest guest]

>

> Eldred,

>

> have you ever been at your 'should weigh " of 149 - 165?

> or even at your ecstatic weight of 170 or 175? 

>

When I went to college at 17, I weighed 150. After being there for a couple of

months, I was down to 135. I'm sure that I was less than 180 even in my 20's.

> If so was it something your worked to get to (lost weight before)?

> or something you had for a long period of time and something happened

(medical,

> physical, psychological, etc.) that caused you to eat more)?

>

I don't know *what* happened to make me eat more. I haven't tracked my weight

over the years, but at some point during the past 15 years I realized that I was

overweight. I worked at one job from 1990 to 2008, and had my realization while

there.

> I think 's advice of just starting to weight / measure, being mindful of

> where you are, what you are doing when you eat & making eating a single task

> (you're not watching TV, not driving & eating,e tc.) may help getting you to

> recognize patterns (much easier for me to overeat when the serving dish is

still

> sitting on the table when I'm done with my plate, much easier to eat too much

> when I'm watching tv or sitting at the computer, have a couple of friends who

> overeat and when I eat with them - see myself doing the same thing!) are

> patterns I've seen in myself.  If I'm aware of them, it's easier to tackle or

> make changes.

I don't do serving dishes, since a good portion of what I eat is Lean Cuisine or

similar meals. I'll occasionally cook spaghetti or chicken. And then of

course, there's the fast food ...

I've discovered that even if I make food at home, I tend to eat a LOT of it. It

doesn't matter that it's healthier - it's still too much.

Eldred

[Guest guest]

> I usually eat while I'm working on my computer, or while watching TV. >

Maybe that's a place to start? Many different approaches recommend sitting down

at a table to eat. No major distractions like TV or the computer, because that

way you can better listen to your body's satiety signals.

> But to be truthful, sitting down at the table would be BORING.

>

I understand. I like some entertainment as well. If it's not somebody else's

company, I like to listen to the radio, rather than watching TV because that way

I can still pay attention to what I am eating.

Another thought: If eating is boring to you, maybe you are not truly hungry?

Perhaps waiting until you are hungry is going to make dinner more interesting...

BTW, I am very impressed by your persistence. That will pay off some day soon!

Continued success,

Jantje

> >

> > Hmmm.

> >

> > You seem pretty sure that you don't have a positive intent beyond the need

to

> > eat for fuel. You're not eating because of memory/associations. Not because

of

> > emotions.

> >

> > So maybe the something different that you need to do is to focus on the

eating

> > habits, rather than the eating motivations?

> >

> > Where do you eat? If you usually eat in the living room, focus on eating at

the

> > table for a while. If you eat standing (like me!), sit. If you eat from the

bag,

> > focus on measuring out a serving size (refer to the package), put the

package

> > away, then sit to eat. At this point, I wouldn't even worry about not

letting

> > yourself have more--but putting the food away first will at least slow you

down

> > enough so you can ask yourself if it's time to stop.

> >

>

> I usually eat while I'm working on my computer, or while watching TV. I

usually eat from a plate, very seldom eat from the bag. Well, I don't get chips

or cookies very often anyway. That's all I would consider 'bag' food.

> My dining room table is usually covered with stuff from my hobbies. But to be

truthful, sitting down at the table would be BORING. I'd want to get back to

whatever I was doing as soon as possible.

>

> > Adding an extra step--like getting a plate--can help by making you just a

little

> > more mindful about the fact that you're eating. If you get halfway through

and

> > realize you didn't get a plate, don't beat yourself up--just stop and get a

> > plate. Again, this might be enough of a pause for you to decide whether

you're

> > ready to stop.

> >

>

> > If none of this seems like it would work, well, at least you've crossed a

few

> > possibliities off your list. :-)

>

> Yeah, I'm looking for any answer that helps.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > PS: you have great signatures!

> >

>

> Thanks!

>

> Eldred

>

[Guest guest]

while I can eat a LOT of somethings, there are others that have no appeal to

over eat (I like carrots but have never been able to eat a whole bag in one

sitting ... same with bread,   have never eaten a whole loaf - can't say the

same thing for a row of cookies or a pint of ice cream) ... so I don't have

certain things in the house in larger sizes until I know I can eat it without

over doing or finishing it off  - when I get them, I tend to get single serving

portions so the temptation to keep going simply isn't there or have that food

only when I go out, not at home ... maybe that's another option to evaluate if

you have some foods that don't trigger eating more than a portion.  Or having

things around that if you over eat, there wouldn't be much caloric wise (celery,

carrots -- most vegetables & fruits would fall into that catagory (probably have

to eat a couple of pounds of apples to equal an apple pie)

 

 

________________________________

From: EldredP <epickett@...>

weightloss

Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 10:37:05 AM

Subject: Re: I need to do something differently...

 

>

> Eldred,

>

> have you ever been at your 'should weigh " of 149 - 165?

> or even at your ecstatic weight of 170 or 175? 

>

When I went to college at 17, I weighed 150. After being there for a couple of

months, I was down to 135. I'm sure that I was less than 180 even in my 20's.

> If so was it something your worked to get to (lost weight before)?

> or something you had for a long period of time and something happened

(medical,

>

> physical, psychological, etc.) that caused you to eat more)?

>

I don't know *what* happened to make me eat more. I haven't tracked my weight

over the years, but at some point during the past 15 years I realized that I was

overweight. I worked at one job from 1990 to 2008, and had my realization while

there.

> I think 's advice of just starting to weight / measure, being mindful of

> where you are, what you are doing when you eat & making eating a single task

> (you're not watching TV, not driving & eating,e tc.) may help getting you to

> recognize patterns (much easier for me to overeat when the serving dish is

>still

>

> sitting on the table when I'm done with my plate, much easier to eat too much

> when I'm watching tv or sitting at the computer, have a couple of friends who

> overeat and when I eat with them - see myself doing the same thing!) are

> patterns I've seen in myself.  If I'm aware of them, it's easier to tackle

or

> make changes.

I don't do serving dishes, since a good portion of what I eat is Lean Cuisine or

similar meals. I'll occasionally cook spaghetti or chicken. And then of course,

there's the fast food ...

I've discovered that even if I make food at home, I tend to eat a LOT of it. It

doesn't matter that it's healthier - it's still too much.

Eldred

[Guest guest]

Ah! BORING is GOOD! Because that would help take some of the attraction away

from eating.... Might be worth a try, anyway....

About the table, well... I've been known to eat to avoid clutter--or the feeling

that I should be cleaning it up--or that I should be working on one of my

unfinished projects. Probably just me, but....

________________________________

From: EldredP <epickett@...>

weightloss

Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 7:21:46 PM

Subject: Re: I need to do something differently...p

My dining room table is usually covered with stuff from my hobbies. But to be

truthful, sitting down at the table would be BORING. I'd want to get back to

whatever I was doing as soon as possible.

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Corinna L Mulligan

<corinna.mulligan@...> wrote:

> I used to think I didn't eat emotionally.  Now I realize that oh yeah,

> that is why I overeat.

>

How did you make that connection?

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Corinna L Mulligan

<corinna.mulligan@...> wrote:

> I used to think I didn't eat emotionally.  Now I realize that oh yeah,

> that is why I overeat.

>

How did you make that connection?

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> wrote:

> I understand. I like some entertainment as well. If it's not somebody else's

company, I like to listen to the radio, rather than watching TV because that way

I can still pay attention to what I am eating.

> Another thought: If eating is boring to you, maybe you are not truly hungry?

Perhaps waiting until you are hungry is going to make dinner more interesting...

>

I do a lot of things by habit. The trick is how to BREAK the habit.

I'm still working on that...

> BTW, I am very impressed by your persistence. That will pay off some day soon!

Thanks!

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, <lsageev@...> wrote:

> Ah! BORING is GOOD! Because that would help take some of the attraction away

> from eating.... Might be worth a try, anyway....

>

> About the table, well... I've been known to eat to avoid clutter--or the

feeling

> that I should be cleaning it up--or that I should be working on one of my

> unfinished projects. Probably just me, but....

>

So if you finished de-cluttering, you might eat less? That's an

interesting idea...<g>

Eldred

--

Give me a stock clerk with a goal and I will give you a man who will

make history. Give me a man without a goal, and I will give you a

stock clerk.

-- J.C. Penney