Re: Women, Pay and Praise (ot)

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that was a great post paula!kassiaLDY_SOLANA'S fITNESS BLOGLDY_SOLANA'S WEBPAGElast purchase 4-27-1050 virgin workouts leftowner of 280 workout dvds & 49 fitness related booksFrom: a <paulajfrey@...>Subject: Women, Pay and Praise (ot) Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:33 PMI've been frustrated over my mother's work situation, my situation to some extent and men in general lately. My mother mostly though. So yesterday I wrote my annual rant/rave dedicated to Mom. Even though she isn't online much, I email it to her and force her to read it. She gets a hand drawn silly cat cartoon from me every year and a a Essay on something. Tradition. Posted this to FB yesterday, but I thought I would share it here as well as I know this group consists of alot of hard working women.;-)aI started off my morning with a verbal tirade. Terry has a hard job acting as my sounding board, because

I can rant and rant and today was no exception. CNN had posted yet again, an article on the disparity between men and women's salaries. It set me off. When I was 16, my fairly confident know-it-all self thought sexism was surely over, or in the least close to it. When I was in college, my first few demeaning jobs were all the more demeaning because I was a girl. I was told by one boss when I was a banquets server that if I wanted to make more money I needed to smile pretty and wear a shorter skirt. When I worked in retail I was told that my hair wasn't blonde enough and I was asked if I could be a bit more flirtatious with customers so that we could increase our sales. Way back in the day when I took issue with my salary, I was told I just needed to get a man and that they couldn't pay for women to support themselves. I quit on the spot. Those were definitely not the last little bits of sexism I ever experienced, but they are a far cry from the

humiliation I have witnessed other experiences, including my own mother and many a girlfriend. It's the day after Mother's Day, and I wanted to take a minute to recognize all the Moms, women, young women out there who pull way more than their fair share of the work, at home, at the office, at the schools, with their kids, in the community and at their churches. I'm certainly no man basher, but women do more with less. We make a dollar go further, we make better use of our time and we give a little more of our hearts. Mothers everywhere are often the breadwinner, head of household and sole parent. They show up to a job with the same college degrees, the same nose to the grindstone attitude and they get rewarded with 30-40% lower salaries. Then they go home and feed their children with that pittance. We give them only one day of thanks every year. Oh, wait we also give them Secretaries Day, because that's what all some will ever be seen as,

regardless of their accounting/writing/speaking/managing expertise. What made me sad, was that the discrepancy over salary hasn't changed much since I was in college. Shouldn't this be an issue? We talk about equality in every other venue but we overlook this topic in a gross and negligent manner. The comments on the CNN article were sad and pathetic. Men rattling back about how women cost the company more because they have children. So I guess having children is a one-party thing now? People often say that women need to be more aggressive in the workplace, but do you know what they call an aggressive woman in the workplace? Think of my OTHER nickname…. I've been very blessed to have had some amazing opportunities and I don`t think of my gender as handicap any more. But I don't have children and I also tend to be about 200 times more tenacious than the average person. What if I had children at that age I was supposed to? Could I trust

society to still place me in a career befit my intellect? I would hope so. But I've got a whole host of friends and family in low places still. They claw their way through every day and they deserve much more than a bouquet of flowers and dinner out. They deserve everything they worked for paid in full and recognized. The law states equal pay for equal work. Let's examine why that isn't happening. In the meantime, celebrate the hard working women in your life every day, not just when Hallmark tells you too. My Mother is amazing. There is no one I know whom I admire more. She got the short end of the stick over and over again in life and she never gave up, never let it get her down for too long and she rarely complained. She gets sole credit for teaching me to be tough as nails, dig in my heels and of course enjoy the inevitable work that would come my way. All I could send my Mom this year for Mother's Day was a card, but I live each

day, in part, to make her proud. I hope one day I will have a daughter and that we will sit down with her and tell her truthfully that she can do anything she wants and succeed in any venue. ------------------------------------

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Thank God I work in a profession of mostly women where in most cases skill determines the pay rate! JenFrom: a <paulajfrey@...>Subject: Women, Pay and Praise (ot) Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:33 PM

I've been frustrated over my mother's work situation, my situation to some extent and men in general lately. My mother mostly though. So yesterday I wrote my annual rant/rave dedicated to Mom. Even though she isn't online much, I email it to her and force her to read it. She gets a hand drawn silly cat cartoon from me every year and a a Essay on something. Tradition.

Posted this to FB yesterday, but I thought I would share it here as well as I know this group consists of alot of hard working women.

;-)

a

I started off my morning with a verbal tirade. Terry has a hard job acting as my sounding board, because I can rant and rant and today was no exception. CNN had posted yet again, an article on the disparity between men and women's salaries. It set me off.

When I was 16, my fairly confident know-it-all self thought sexism was surely over, or in the least close to it. When I was in college, my first few demeaning jobs were all the more demeaning because I was a girl. I was told by one boss when I was a banquets server that if I wanted to make more money I needed to smile pretty and wear a shorter skirt. When I worked in retail I was told that my hair wasn't blonde enough and I was asked if I could be a bit more flirtatious with customers so that we could increase our sales. Way back in the day when I took issue with my salary, I was told I just needed to get a man and that they couldn't pay for women to support themselves. I quit on the spot. Those were definitely not the last little bits of sexism I ever experienced, but they are a far cry from the humiliation I have witnessed other experiences, including my own mother and many a girlfriend.

It's the day after Mother's Day, and I wanted to take a minute to recognize all the Moms, women, young women out there who pull way more than their fair share of the work, at home, at the office, at the schools, with their kids, in the community and at their churches. I'm certainly no man basher, but women do more with less. We make a dollar go further, we make better use of our time and we give a little more of our hearts. Mothers everywhere are often the breadwinner, head of household and sole parent. They show up to a job with the same college degrees, the same nose to the grindstone attitude and they get rewarded with 30-40% lower salaries. Then they go home and feed their children with that pittance. We give them only one day of thanks every year. Oh, wait we also give them Secretaries Day, because that's what all some will ever be seen as, regardless of their accounting/writing/ speaking/ managing expertise.

What made me sad, was that the discrepancy over salary hasn't changed much since I was in college. Shouldn't this be an issue? We talk about equality in every other venue but we overlook this topic in a gross and negligent manner. The comments on the CNN article were sad and pathetic. Men rattling back about how women cost the company more because they have children. So I guess having children is a one-party thing now? People often say that women need to be more aggressive in the workplace, but do you know what they call an aggressive woman in the workplace? Think of my OTHER nickname….

I've been very blessed to have had some amazing opportunities and I don`t think of my gender as handicap any more. But I don't have children and I also tend to be about 200 times more tenacious than the average person. What if I had children at that age I was supposed to? Could I trust society to still place me in a career befit my intellect? I would hope so. But I've got a whole host of friends and family in low places still. They claw their way through every day and they deserve much more than a bouquet of flowers and dinner out. They deserve everything they worked for paid in full and recognized.

The law states equal pay for equal work. Let's examine why that isn't happening. In the meantime, celebrate the hard working women in your life every day, not just when Hallmark tells you too. My Mother is amazing. There is no one I know whom I admire more. She got the short end of the stick over and over again in life and she never gave up, never let it get her down for too long and she rarely complained. She gets sole credit for teaching me to be tough as nails, dig in my heels and of course enjoy the inevitable work that would come my way.

All I could send my Mom this year for Mother's Day was a card, but I live each day, in part, to make her proud. I hope one day I will have a daughter and that we will sit down with her and tell her truthfully that she can do anything she wants and succeed in any venue.

[Guest guest]

Well said. I don't think this has changed much, and the generation just entering the job market is facing an even more difficult situation. Competition for jobs is steep, and many people have to take jobs that they're overqualified for, and the young grads are lucky to find low paying jobs. Gender is an additional factor. 

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:33 PM, a <paulajfrey@...> wrote:

I've been frustrated over my mother's work situation, my situation to some extent and men in general lately. My mother mostly though. So yesterday I wrote my annual rant/rave dedicated to Mom. Even though she isn't online much, I email it to her and force her to read it. She gets a hand drawn silly cat cartoon from me every year and a a Essay on something. Tradition.

Posted this to FB yesterday, but I thought I would share it here as well as I know this group consists of alot of hard working women.

;-)

a

I started off my morning with a verbal tirade. Terry has a hard job acting as my sounding board, because I can rant and rant and today was no exception. CNN had posted yet again, an article on the disparity between men and women's salaries. It set me off.

When I was 16, my fairly confident know-it-all self thought sexism was surely over, or in the least close to it. When I was in college, my first few demeaning jobs were all the more demeaning because I was a girl. I was told by one boss when I was a banquets server that if I wanted to make more money I needed to smile pretty and wear a shorter skirt. When I worked in retail I was told that my hair wasn't blonde enough and I was asked if I could be a bit more flirtatious with customers so that we could increase our sales. Way back in the day when I took issue with my salary, I was told I just needed to get a man and that they couldn't pay for women to support themselves. I quit on the spot. Those were definitely not the last little bits of sexism I ever experienced, but they are a far cry from the humiliation I have witnessed other experiences, including my own mother and many a girlfriend.

It's the day after Mother's Day, and I wanted to take a minute to recognize all the Moms, women, young women out there who pull way more than their fair share of the work, at home, at the office, at the schools, with their kids, in the community and at their churches. I'm certainly no man basher, but women do more with less. We make a dollar go further, we make better use of our time and we give a little more of our hearts. Mothers everywhere are often the breadwinner, head of household and sole parent. They show up to a job with the same college degrees, the same nose to the grindstone attitude and they get rewarded with 30-40% lower salaries. Then they go home and feed their children with that pittance. We give them only one day of thanks every year. Oh, wait we also give them Secretaries Day, because that's what all some will ever be seen as, regardless of their accounting/writing/speaking/managing expertise.

What made me sad, was that the discrepancy over salary hasn't changed much since I was in college. Shouldn't this be an issue? We talk about equality in every other venue but we overlook this topic in a gross and negligent manner. The comments on the CNN article were sad and pathetic. Men rattling back about how women cost the company more because they have children. So I guess having children is a one-party thing now? People often say that women need to be more aggressive in the workplace, but do you know what they call an aggressive woman in the workplace? Think of my OTHER nickname….

I've been very blessed to have had some amazing opportunities and I don`t think of my gender as handicap any more. But I don't have children and I also tend to be about 200 times more tenacious than the average person. What if I had children at that age I was supposed to? Could I trust society to still place me in a career befit my intellect? I would hope so. But I've got a whole host of friends and family in low places still. They claw their way through every day and they deserve much more than a bouquet of flowers and dinner out. They deserve everything they worked for paid in full and recognized.

The law states equal pay for equal work. Let's examine why that isn't happening. In the meantime, celebrate the hard working women in your life every day, not just when Hallmark tells you too. My Mother is amazing. There is no one I know whom I admire more. She got the short end of the stick over and over again in life and she never gave up, never let it get her down for too long and she rarely complained. She gets sole credit for teaching me to be tough as nails, dig in my heels and of course enjoy the inevitable work that would come my way.

All I could send my Mom this year for Mother's Day was a card, but I live each day, in part, to make her proud. I hope one day I will have a daughter and that we will sit down with her and tell her truthfully that she can do anything she wants and succeed in any venue.

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[Guest guest]

Amen! Sometimes it seems like there is no reward for going to college, working

hard etc. You still have to try though....

>

> > I've been frustrated over my mother's work situation, my situation to some

> > extent and men in general lately. My mother mostly though. So yesterday I

> > wrote my annual rant/rave dedicated to Mom. Even though she isn't online

> > much, I email it to her and force her to read it. She gets a hand drawn

> > silly cat cartoon from me every year and a a Essay on something.

> > Tradition.

> >

> > Posted this to FB yesterday, but I thought I would share it here as well as

> > I know this group consists of alot of hard working women.

> >

> > ;-)

> > a

> >

> > I started off my morning with a verbal tirade. Terry has a hard job acting

> > as my sounding board, because I can rant and rant and today was no

> > exception. CNN had posted yet again, an article on the disparity between men

> > and women's salaries. It set me off.

> >

> > When I was 16, my fairly confident know-it-all self thought sexism was

> > surely over, or in the least close to it. When I was in college, my first

> > few demeaning jobs were all the more demeaning because I was a girl. I was

> > told by one boss when I was a banquets server that if I wanted to make more

> > money I needed to smile pretty and wear a shorter skirt. When I worked in

> > retail I was told that my hair wasn't blonde enough and I was asked if I

> > could be a bit more flirtatious with customers so that we could increase our

> > sales. Way back in the day when I took issue with my salary, I was told I

> > just needed to get a man and that they couldn't pay for women to support

> > themselves. I quit on the spot. Those were definitely not the last little

> > bits of sexism I ever experienced, but they are a far cry from the

> > humiliation I have witnessed other experiences, including my own mother and

> > many a girlfriend.

> >

> > It's the day after Mother's Day, and I wanted to take a minute to recognize

> > all the Moms, women, young women out there who pull way more than their fair

> > share of the work, at home, at the office, at the schools, with their kids,

> > in the community and at their churches. I'm certainly no man basher, but

> > women do more with less. We make a dollar go further, we make better use of

> > our time and we give a little more of our hearts. Mothers everywhere are

> > often the breadwinner, head of household and sole parent. They show up to a

> > job with the same college degrees, the same nose to the grindstone attitude

> > and they get rewarded with 30-40% lower salaries. Then they go home and feed

> > their children with that pittance. We give them only one day of thanks every

> > year. Oh, wait we also give them Secretaries Day, because that's what all

> > some will ever be seen as, regardless of their

> > accounting/writing/speaking/managing expertise.

> >

> > What made me sad, was that the discrepancy over salary hasn't changed much

> > since I was in college. Shouldn't this be an issue? We talk about equality

> > in every other venue but we overlook this topic in a gross and negligent

> > manner. The comments on the CNN article were sad and pathetic. Men rattling

> > back about how women cost the company more because they have children. So I

> > guess having children is a one-party thing now? People often say that women

> > need to be more aggressive in the workplace, but do you know what they call

> > an aggressive woman in the workplace? Think of my OTHER nickname….

> >

> > I've been very blessed to have had some amazing opportunities and I don`t

> > think of my gender as handicap any more. But I don't have children and I

> > also tend to be about 200 times more tenacious than the average person. What

> > if I had children at that age I was supposed to? Could I trust society to

> > still place me in a career befit my intellect? I would hope so. But I've got

> > a whole host of friends and family in low places still. They claw their way

> > through every day and they deserve much more than a bouquet of flowers and

> > dinner out. They deserve everything they worked for paid in full and

> > recognized.

> >

> > The law states equal pay for equal work. Let's examine why that isn't

> > happening. In the meantime, celebrate the hard working women in your life

> > every day, not just when Hallmark tells you too. My Mother is amazing. There

> > is no one I know whom I admire more. She got the short end of the stick over

> > and over again in life and she never gave up, never let it get her down for

> > too long and she rarely complained. She gets sole credit for teaching me to

> > be tough as nails, dig in my heels and of course enjoy the inevitable work

> > that would come my way.

> >

> > All I could send my Mom this year for Mother's Day was a card, but I live

> > each day, in part, to make her proud. I hope one day I will have a daughter

> > and that we will sit down with her and tell her truthfully that she can do

> > anything she wants and succeed in any venue.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >